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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2018 13:58:23 GMT
So what if he does ?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 6, 2018 22:55:30 GMT
That's a common misconception. Alec hated the obsession with Star Wars. He did not hate the story or films themselves. Here he is talking about his enjoyment of the story back in 1977: That was quite interesting. Yeah, it was. Good job, shinnickneth.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Mar 6, 2018 23:06:39 GMT
Doesn't hate it as much as Alec Guinness did. That's a common misconception. Alec hated the obsession with Star Wars. He did not hate the story or films themselves. "I have been offered a movie (20th Cent. Fox) which I may accept, if they come up with proper money. London and N. Africa, starting in mid-March. Science fiction – which gives me pause – but is to be directed by Paul [sic] Lucas who did "American Graffiti, which makes me feel I should. Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish, but could be interesting perhaps." "... new rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper – and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April even if Yahoo collapses in a week... I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet – and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? – No!) – well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety – and treat me as if I was 106. – Oh, Harrison Ford – ever heard of him?" "... a “sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. Looking into the boy’s eyes, I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form” and he asked the young fan to do something for him.‘Anything, sir, anything!’‘Well,’ I said, ‘do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. ‘What a dreadful thing to say to a child!’ she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of second hand, childish banalities.”
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 6, 2018 23:59:31 GMT
"I have been offered a movie (20th Cent. Fox) which I may accept, if they come up with proper money. London and N. Africa, starting in mid-March. Science fiction – which gives me pause – but is to be directed by Paul [sic] Lucas who did "American Graffiti, which makes me feel I should. Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish, but could be interesting perhaps." "... new rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper – and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April even if Yahoo collapses in a week... I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet – and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? – No!) – well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety – and treat me as if I was 106. – Oh, Harrison Ford – ever heard of him?" "... a “sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. Looking into the boy’s eyes, I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form” and he asked the young fan to do something for him.‘Anything, sir, anything!’‘Well,’ I said, ‘do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. ‘What a dreadful thing to say to a child!’ she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of second hand, childish banalities.” In all honesty, the lines were "rubbish" quite a bit of the time, don't you think? Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, and even Mark Hamill (who always loved being a part of the original trilogy) made fun of the dialogue. I don't think admitting the truth about the questionable lines means he hated it. The last quote you posted is in reference to the obsession with Star Wars. A sweet, little boy having seen the movie over a hundred times is obsession. I've been alive a hell of a lot longer than that little boy and even I, personally, haven't seen the original movies a hundred times...I'm not that bad. Alec would also throw-away any fan mail containing Star Wars items or any letters that mentioned Star Wars. Again, he didn't like people's obsession with it. It had nothing to do with the movies themselves.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 7, 2018 0:16:59 GMT
That's a common misconception. Alec hated the obsession with Star Wars. He did not hate the story or films themselves. "I have been offered a movie (20th Cent. Fox) which I may accept, if they come up with proper money. London and N. Africa, starting in mid-March. Science fiction – which gives me pause – but is to be directed by Paul [sic] Lucas who did "American Graffiti, which makes me feel I should. Big part. Fairy-tale rubbish, but could be interesting perhaps." "... new rubbish dialogue reaches me every other day on wadges of pink paper – and none of it makes my character clear or even bearable. I just think, thankfully, of the lovely bread, which will help me keep going until next April even if Yahoo collapses in a week... I must off to studio and work with a dwarf (very sweet – and he has to wash in a bidet) and your fellow countrymen Mark Hamill and Tennyson (that can't be right) Ford. Ellison (? – No!) – well, a rangy, languid young man who is probably intelligent and amusing. But Oh, God, God, they make me feel ninety – and treat me as if I was 106. – Oh, Harrison Ford – ever heard of him?" "... a “sweet-faced boy of twelve told me proudly he had seen Star Wars over a hundred times. Looking into the boy’s eyes, I thought I detected little star-shells of madness beginning to form” and he asked the young fan to do something for him.‘Anything, sir, anything!’‘Well,’ I said, ‘do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?' He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. ‘What a dreadful thing to say to a child!’ she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of second hand, childish banalities.” Damn. The old coot comes off as a smug pompous douchebag. Which is how many brit actors come off to me. I wonder if he was bitter because 90% of the people who know his name only do because of Star Wars?
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 7, 2018 6:12:39 GMT
Damn. The old coot comes off as a smug pompous douchebag. Which is how many brit actors come off to me. I wonder if he was bitter because 90% of the people who know his name only do because of Star Wars? That's not a fair assessment at all. He was part of many great films including The Bridge on the River Kwai (he won an Academy Award for that role), Lawrence of Arabia, and Doctor Zhivago. In fact, Guinness and Peter Cushing were the two name actors attached to the movie that helped get the picture made (20th Century Fox required some established actors to be in it) and helped it be marketable as no one really knew who the hell the main trio were (outside of having the daughter of Debbie Reynolds in it).
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Post by poelzig on Mar 7, 2018 8:09:25 GMT
Damn. The old coot comes off as a smug pompous douchebag. Which is how many brit actors come off to me. I wonder if he was bitter because 90% of the people who know his name only do because of Star Wars? That's not a fair assessment at all. He was part of many great films including The Bridge on the River Kwai (he won an Academy Award for that role), Lawrence of Arabia, and Doctor Zhivago. In fact, Guinness and Peter Cushing were the two name actors attached to the movie that helped get the picture made (20th Century Fox required some established actors to be in it) and helped it be marketable as no one really knew who the hell the main trio were (outside of having the daughter of Debbie Reynolds in it). I didn't say 90% of people on this site or 90% of film buffs. The truth of the matter is if you asked random people who Alec Guiness was and then asked those who knew him how they discovered him at least 90% would say Star Wars. I'm a fan of his other movies and think he was a very good actor but he still comes off as a bitter old doddering coot that should have shut his fucking mouth and been grateful for the role that he will be best remembered for. What kind of hateful old asshole makes a fan cry? Much less some little kid. It wold have been hilarious if the mom broke his nose and then stomped on him for a while screaming "Use the force old man." Wait a minute. That's not how he died is it? Nah He's a brit actor so he probably died of cirrhosis. He was right about the dialogue though. Lucas writes awful dialogue.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Mar 7, 2018 9:18:12 GMT
Guiness did not hate Star Wars, he uttered in too many interviews "thanks God" that he did not pass on the part (and financial participation on the gross/turnovers I think).
The story with the boy is an urban legend he created in his memoirs and was recently debunked by the former boy (who grew up to be a man quite naturally) who told a much more polite and kind story, not half as a-holy-y as Guiness depicted himself.
IMO Guiness certainly had problem with the lowbrow pulp and naive fairy tale content of Star Wars leading to fanboy obsession and overshadowing his more valuable performances and films. In short, he was probably afraid and disgusted that he would just be remembered for playing an old space wizard -and he hated that everybody on set treated him like an old man.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 7, 2018 14:32:48 GMT
I didn't say 90% of people on this site or 90% of film buffs. The truth of the matter is if you asked random people who Alec Guiness was and then asked those who knew him how they discovered him at least 90% would say Star Wars. I'm a fan of his other movies and think he was a very good actor but he still comes off as a bitter old doddering coot that should have shut his fucking mouth and been grateful for the role that he will be best remembered for. What kind of hateful old asshole makes a fan cry? Much less some little kid. It wold have been hilarious if the mom broke his nose and then stomped on him for a while screaming "Use the force old man." Wait a minute. That's not how he died is it? Nah He's a brit actor so he probably died of cirrhosis. He was right about the dialogue though. Lucas writes awful dialogue. I suppose it depends on where you're randomly asking people who Alec Guinness was. At a high school? Sure, they will most likely say "Star Wars" or "Who?" in turn. People who were alive at the time of release of Star Wars or before would most likely say one of his other movies. Alec definitely wasn't some "B" level actor who happened to stumble on a hit in the winter of his life. Like you're aware of, he has a great body of work. Honestly, the movie was luckier to have him in it - he elevated the material. I really love his performance as Ben Kenobi. I agree with you on the story of the boy though. He didn't need to be so harsh.
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Post by shinnickneth on Mar 7, 2018 14:44:03 GMT
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Post by poelzig on Mar 7, 2018 18:29:34 GMT
Guiness did not hate Star Wars, he uttered in too many interviews "thanks God" that he did not pass on the part (and financial participation on the gross/turnovers I think).
The story with the boy is an urban legend he created in his memoirs and was recently debunked by the former boy (who grew up to be a man quite naturally) who told a much more polite and kind story, not half as a-holy-y as Guiness depicted himself.
IMO Guiness certainly had problem with the lowbrow pulp and naive fairy tale content of Star Wars leading to fanboy obsession and overshadowing his more valuable performances and films. In short, he was probably afraid and disgusted that he would just be remembered for playing an old space wizard -and he hated that everybody on set treated him like an old man. I hope you are right. That story made me not like Guiness and I have always been a fan. I also wonder if what he saw as being treated like an old man was actually respect and awe from younger mostly unknown actors. There could have been even some hero worship tossed in there as well. The man made like 6 films with David Lean after all and survived the experience. It would be hard to treat him like a mortal.
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Post by poelzig on Mar 7, 2018 19:16:06 GMT
I didn't say 90% of people on this site or 90% of film buffs. The truth of the matter is if you asked random people who Alec Guiness was and then asked those who knew him how they discovered him at least 90% would say Star Wars. I'm a fan of his other movies and think he was a very good actor but he still comes off as a bitter old doddering coot that should have shut his fucking mouth and been grateful for the role that he will be best remembered for. What kind of hateful old asshole makes a fan cry? Much less some little kid. It wold have been hilarious if the mom broke his nose and then stomped on him for a while screaming "Use the force old man." Wait a minute. That's not how he died is it? Nah He's a brit actor so he probably died of cirrhosis. He was right about the dialogue though. Lucas writes awful dialogue. I suppose it depends on where you're randomly asking people who Alec Guinness was. At a high school? Sure, they will most likely say "Star Wars" or "Who?" in turn. People who were alive at the time of release of Star Wars or before would most likely say one of his other movies. Alec definitely wasn't some "B" level actor who happened to stumble on a hit in the winter of his life. Like you're aware of, he has a great body of work. Honestly, the movie was luckier to have him in it - he elevated the material. I really love his performance as Ben Kenobi. I agree with you on the story of the boy though. He didn't need to be so harsh. I may have been a bit hyperbolic. I was somewhat troubled after reading the excerpts from his journals but apparently those were Guinness having a go at people. Oddly enough though, people alive when Star Wars was released or before probably had less chance to have seen Sir Alec's movies than today's high schoolers. Back then you had to actually see a movie in a theater or be lucky enough to catch it on the limited number of local TV stations that ran old movies. It's an entirely different topic but isn't it ironic that millennials have the opportunity to see most any movie ever made yet they somehow seem to only like the garbage that has been pooped out during their lifetime? Anyway here's a link to the crying kid story from allegedly the actual crying kid and it made me feel better about Sir Alec. the crying kid speaks Just for fun, the movies I would say if asked who Alec Guinness was would be in order Bridge on the River Kwai, the OT, Lawrence of Arabia and oddly enough Murder By Death and Scrooge. I've seen a lot more but those always leap to mind.
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