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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 2, 2018 19:31:11 GMT
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Post by politicidal on Mar 3, 2018 17:22:29 GMT
Yikes. But to answer your question, no though I really should.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 3, 2018 19:35:07 GMT
It is frustrating to watch how time and time again the Queen allows other people, especially courtiers, make her do things she doesn't really want to do, instead of commanding them to obey her will. There are a few times she does put her foot down, but not nearly enough.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 4, 2018 0:03:24 GMT
I have watched it and i enjoyed what i saw. I really enjoy seeing Patrick from Coupling all dashingly grey and still as yummy as ever. if the 'woman of limited intelligence' is true to life that explains a lot. why the shit she allows camilla within the family for instance. why she ordered the world's sweetheart murdered. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 4, 2018 8:21:19 GMT
why she ordered the world's sweetheart murdered.  |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 4, 2018 8:22:23 GMT
Yikes. But to answer your question, no though I really should. The production values and cinematography are exquisite. |
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Post by louise on Mar 4, 2018 16:48:59 GMT
I watched series 1, it is quite good I think, though there is a lot of exaggeration. THere was nothing wrong with her education for instance, and I doubt she ever expressed such disatissfaction wth it as she is shown doing on this series. I am doubtful about all the friction between her and Philip as well.
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Post by louise on Mar 4, 2018 16:51:58 GMT
I have watched it and i enjoyed what i saw. I really enjoy seeing Patrick from Coupling all dashingly grey and still as yummy as ever. if the 'woman of limited intelligence' is true to life that explains a lot. why the shit she allows camilla within the family for instance. why she ordered the world's sweetheart murdered. She could not prevent Charles from marrying Camilla, and anyway she had no reason to grudge him some happiness. ANd she didn't murder anyone. IF you Mean Diana, her death was an accident, caused by her driver going too fast. |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 4, 2018 17:31:58 GMT
I have watched it and i enjoyed what i saw. I really enjoy seeing Patrick from Coupling all dashingly grey and still as yummy as ever. if the 'woman of limited intelligence' is true to life that explains a lot. why the shit she allows camilla within the family for instance. why she ordered the world's sweetheart murdered. She could not prevent Charles from marrying Camilla, and anyway she had no reason to grudge him some happiness. ANd she didn't murder anyone. IF you Mean Diana, her death was an accident, caused by her driver going too fast. that was the facts at face value. but truth be told, she had a $ tag on her head. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 5, 2018 0:44:32 GMT
She could not prevent Charles from marrying Camilla You left out the crucial phrase, "in a civil marriage." The whole sturm und drang that underpins most of series 1 and 2 involves Elizabeth's refusal to allow her sister a religious marriage to a divorced man (whose ex-spouse was still living) on the basis of the Establishment's (the PM, the Cabinet, Parliament, the top courtiers, I believe also the Queen Mother, and the Church of England) conservative opposition. The Church of England, like the Roman Catholic Church, absolutely refused to recognize divorce. (Ironic, as pointed out by Elizabeth herself, given that several members of the Cabinet were themselves divorces.) By the time Charles and Camilla were getting civilly married, a lot of those stuffy old fekkers who'd made Princess Margaret's life so hellish were long dead and buried. But even so, Charles and Camilla had a civil marriage, not a religious one. Which still should theoretically be a problem for him as the heir apparent to become titular head of the Church of England. |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 5, 2018 0:48:03 GMT
And that brings me back to my original point.
Elizabeth, as the Head of the Church, could have said that it was her decision to allow Margaret to marry and that was final.
Remember Henry VIII? He didn't take no stuff from the Church when it came to marriage.
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 7, 2018 2:37:49 GMT
As I am watching episodes of this show, I often find myself wondering how much of it is true, or at least is based on what people who would know have said actually happened -- versus how much is just from the writers' imagination or was invented for dramatic purposes.
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Post by deembastille on Mar 7, 2018 3:28:22 GMT
And that brings me back to my original point. Elizabeth, as the Head of the Church, could have said that it was her decision to allow Margaret to marry and that was final. Remember Henry VIII? He didn't take no stuff from the Church when it came to marriage. well, henry 8 created the church of England because the roman catholic church was giving him bitch about wanting to annul the marriage he had to kath of Aragon. he made a good point: wtf did you let me marry my brother's widow? |
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Post by Eλευθερί on Mar 14, 2018 0:04:03 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/arts/television/netflix-the-crown.htmlClaire Foy made only(!!) $40,000 per episode on the $7 million per episode show during series 1 & 2, which was less than what Matt Smith, her on-screen, husband was paid. Yet she won Emmy and Golden Globe awards for her performance, while he was not nominated for either. Producer says that the discrepancy of pay for the Queen vs Prince Philip will be rectified in upcoming series. That won't help Foy, though, because the entire show is being recast to reflect the older ages of the characters, as the show moves onto later stages of their lives.
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Post by louise on Mar 16, 2018 16:26:42 GMT
She could not prevent Charles from marrying Camilla, and anyway she had no reason to grudge him some happiness. ANd she didn't murder anyone. IF you Mean Diana, her death was an accident, caused by her driver going too fast. that was the facts at face value. but truth be told, she had a $ tag on her head. HIghly unlikely. HEr decision to go driving madly off across Paris was an impulse which no one could have foreseen. THe sensible thing would have been to let the press take some photos, then drive off at a reasonable speed. |
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Post by louise on Mar 16, 2018 16:30:12 GMT
And that brings me back to my original point. Elizabeth, as the Head of the Church, could have said that it was her decision to allow Margaret to marry and that was final. Remember Henry VIII? He didn't take no stuff from the Church when it came to marriage. HEnry VIII lived in very different times. A lot has happened since then. IN the 17th century, one King was executed, and another one thrown out, and since then Royal power has been even more restricted. Monarchs no longer have the power Henry did. |
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Post by louise on Mar 16, 2018 16:31:55 GMT
www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/arts/television/netflix-the-crown.htmlClaire Foy made only(!!) $40,000 per episode on the $7 million per episode show during series 1 & 2, which was less than what Matt Smith, her on-screen, husband was paid. Yet she won Emmy and Golden Globe awards for her performance, while he was not nominated for either. Producer says that the discrepancy of pay for the Queen vs Prince Philip will be rectified in upcoming series. That won't help Foy, though, because the entire show is being recast to reflect the older ages of the characters, as the show moves onto later stages of their lives. poor little thing. ONly 40,000 per episode. MY heart bleeds for her. HOw can she possibly manage on such a pittance? |
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Post by louise on Mar 16, 2018 16:34:07 GMT
And that brings me back to my original point. Elizabeth, as the Head of the Church, could have said that it was her decision to allow Margaret to marry and that was final. Remember Henry VIII? He didn't take no stuff from the Church when it came to marriage. well, henry 8 created the church of England because the roman catholic church was giving him bitch about wanting to annul the marriage he had to kath of Aragon. he made a good point: wtf did you let me marry my brother's widow? HE was given a dispensation by the Pope. ANd at the time he was very keen to marry cAtherine. |
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Post by deembastille on Mar 16, 2018 17:52:44 GMT
louise... WTH is up WITH yoUr posting?
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 18, 2018 12:24:21 GMT
Just finished both seasons.
It's pretty awesome actually.
It is way more concerned about history and bureaucracy than I thought it would be which make sit far more interesting than I thought it would be.
It feels like a sequel to King's Speech.
My only issue is the coyness they play with Phillip and how much of a jerk he truly is. He almost changes from Jekyll to Hyde in the same episodes and especially the season 2 finale.
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