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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 22:22:03 GMT
If he had no communication with Langley, then he should've stood down and not gotten involved in an illegal coup to overthrow the legal and rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. Instead, he went rogue and committed illegal actions that might have drawn America into a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. That's your take on it. They were already involved because the new king was an American citizen and agent. Killmonger was also had Wakanda royal blood in his veins. So the world wouldn't have objected to a Wakandan royal taking over the throne of Wakanda in a leagal manner according to Wakandan law. And POTUS might have preferred a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. So the rogue CIA agent should've checked with Langley first before participating in an illegal coup to overthrow the King of a foreign nation (especially when POTUS might have preferred Killmonger as King of Wakanda) and potentially draw the US into a war that the American people might not want.
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 22:33:04 GMT
That's your take on it. They were already involved because the new king was an American citizen and agent. Killmonger was also had Wakanda royal blood in his veins. So the world wouldn't have objected to a Wakandan royal taking over the throne of Wakanda in a leagal manner according to Wakandan law. And POTUS might have preferred a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. So the rogue CIA agent should've checked with Langley first before participating in an illegal coup to overthrow the King of a foreign nation (especially when POTUS might have preferred Killmonger as King of Wakanda) and potentially draw the US into a war that the American people might not want. I still disagree. The world would still interpret Killmonger as an American plant. It's too much of a coincidence that he spent his entire life being an American agent. It would've likely lead to war anyway. From neighboring countries who rejected him as being a legitimate African ruler in the region. From rival powers like Russia or China who would've likely backed any country willing to start a war to overthrow Killmonger. And as already happened - civil war. You also seem to be forgetting once Killmonger became king he had no loyalty to America. He wanted to turn Wakanda into a militaristic world power. He wanted to make it a conquering world empire. Ross might well have been negligent to not take some kind of action against a ruler with those kind of designs. Especially one moving so quickly to start a world war.
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Post by Daisy on Mar 10, 2018 22:38:29 GMT
That's your take on it. They were already involved because the new king was an American citizen and agent. Killmonger was also had Wakanda royal blood in his veins. So the world wouldn't have objected to a Wakandan royal taking over the throne of Wakanda in a leagal manner according to Wakandan law. And POTUS might have preferred a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. So the rogue CIA agent should've checked with Langley first before participating in an illegal coup to overthrow the King of a foreign nation (especially when POTUS might have preferred Killmonger as King of Wakanda) and potentially draw the US into a war that the American people might not want.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 22:48:07 GMT
LMAO @ DCfan. stop trying so hard
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 10, 2018 22:50:11 GMT
I'm saying Ross was locked in the lab. The Rakandans didn't want him having free reign of the city or other areas that maybe they considered "classified" and off limits to outsiders. They didn't want outsider interference at the time of their crisis. So they locked Ross in the lab. And that implies that he possibly had no access to communication with his country. If he had no communication with Langley, then he should've stood down and not gotten involved in an illegal coup to overthrow the legal and rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. Instead, he went rogue and committed illegal actions that might have drawn America into a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. Killmonger was going to send vibranium weapons outside of wakanda to essentially start a war against what he referred as the "oppressors". Millions of people would have died. What would you have ross do? Do nothing and let people die? Rightful bloodline or not Killmonger was a threat to not only to ross but to the united states as well.
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 10, 2018 23:12:35 GMT
It's meaningless now that Wonder Woman isn't on top. The RT Top 60 Superhero Movies of All Time ranking list or Batman's sex life? Flash was on top in that situation.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 23:14:40 GMT
Killmonger was also had Wakanda royal blood in his veins. So the world wouldn't have objected to a Wakandan royal taking over the throne of Wakanda in a leagal manner according to Wakandan law. And POTUS might have preferred a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. So the rogue CIA agent should've checked with Langley first before participating in an illegal coup to overthrow the King of a foreign nation (especially when POTUS might have preferred Killmonger as King of Wakanda) and potentially draw the US into a war that the American people might not want. I still disagree. The world would still interpret Killmonger as an American plant. It's too much of a coincidence that he spent his entire life being an American agent. It would've likely lead to war anyway. From neighboring countries who rejected him as being a legitimate African ruler in the region. From rival powers like Russia or China who would've likely backed any country willing to start a war to overthrow Killmonger. Why the fuck would Russia or China care about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda? Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda had a vast supply of valuable natural resources, like vibranium. But Russia and China and the rest of the world don't know that Wakanda has a vast supply of vibranium. Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda was had favorable geographic location that offered control of significant ports or waterways or was close enough to Russia or China that it could pose a threat (similar to the Soviet Union putting missiles into Cuba in 1962). But Wakanda isn't even on most world maps so Russia and China don't know where Wakanda is located. All they know is that Wakanda is located somewhere in Africa, which isn't close enough to pose any threat to Russia or China. Russia would be more concerned with the US military bases in Germany than any US military bases in Africa. So Russia and China wouldn't give a shit about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda and certainly wouldn't go to war over meaningless shit like that.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 10, 2018 23:29:44 GMT
I still disagree. The world would still interpret Killmonger as an American plant. It's too much of a coincidence that he spent his entire life being an American agent. It would've likely lead to war anyway. From neighboring countries who rejected him as being a legitimate African ruler in the region. From rival powers like Russia or China who would've likely backed any country willing to start a war to overthrow Killmonger. Why the fuck would Russia or China care about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda? Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda had a vast supply of valuable natural resources, like vibranium. But Russia and China and the rest of the world don't know that Wakanda has a vast supply of vibranium. Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda was had favorable geographic location that offered control of significant ports or waterways or was close enough to Russia or China that it could pose a threat (similar to the Soviet Union putting missiles into Cuba in 1962). But Wakanda isn't even on most world maps so Russia and China don't know where Wakanda is located. All they know is that Wakanda is located somewhere in Africa, which isn't close enough to pose any threat to Russia or China. Russia would be more concerned with the US military bases in Germany than any US military bases in Africa. So Russia and China wouldn't give a shit about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda and certainly wouldn't go to war over meaningless shit like that. Keep at it dude. The more you bitch, complain, whine, and nitpick the more I love it. I was having a shitty day and reading through this thread and your other has turned my mood around. I find it awesome that a grown man or woman is this perturbed by a movie they claim to hate. Keep at it dude I swear your desperation and need to trounce on a movie from a rival Cinematic Universe is fuckin hilarious. I learned a long time ago that people that run around bitching about things they hate instead of praising things the like are morbidly funny. Please don't ever change.
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 23:42:23 GMT
I still disagree. The world would still interpret Killmonger as an American plant. It's too much of a coincidence that he spent his entire life being an American agent. It would've likely lead to war anyway. From neighboring countries who rejected him as being a legitimate African ruler in the region. From rival powers like Russia or China who would've likely backed any country willing to start a war to overthrow Killmonger. Why the fuck would Russia or China care about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda? Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda had a vast supply of valuable natural resources, like vibranium. But Russia and China and the rest of the world don't know that Wakanda has a vast supply of vibranium. Maybe Russia or China would care if Wakanda was had favorable geographic location that offered control of significant ports or waterways or was close enough to Russia or China that it could pose a threat (similar to the Soviet Union putting missiles into Cuba in 1962). But Wakanda isn't even on most world maps so Russia and China don't know where Wakanda is located. All they know is that Wakanda is located somewhere in Africa, which isn't close enough to pose any threat to Russia or China. Russia would be more concerned with the US military bases in Germany than any US military bases in Africa. So Russia and China wouldn't give a shit about an American with Wakandan royal blood taking over the throne of Wakanda and certainly wouldn't go to war over meaningless shit like that. You're starting to show your ignorance. Why do Russia, China and USA care about what governments are in power in North Korea and South Korea? Because it can effect the balance of power within the region. And who is who's ally in the region. World power countries always care about this kind of stuff. Then there's the fact that Killmonger was already formulating weapons against those countries, or most assuredly countries that they had alliances with. Very quickly it would've become apparent to Russia and China the political significance of who ruled that country. Sheesh! Stop trying to squeeze blood out of a turnip with these arguments that come across as ignorant by design.
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Post by scabab on Mar 11, 2018 0:39:19 GMT
There's no need for knee jerk reactions about DC nor any need to be rude to DC Fan.
Though at the same time there was no need for DC Fan to immediately try and draw a comparison.
It's also really not that serious that this needs to be confused for the politics board, it's about a man in a cat costume with sharp claws and warrior women who throw spears and ride on Rhinos.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2018 0:42:02 GMT
There's no need for knee jerk reactions about DC nor any need to be rude to DC Fan. He's looking for a fight, so why not give him one?
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Post by scabab on Mar 11, 2018 0:53:46 GMT
He's looking for a fight, so why not give him one? Because the people on here aren't small children who should be acting as if they've been told their daddy can beat up your daddy.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2018 1:02:40 GMT
He's looking for a fight, so why not give him one? Because the people on here aren't small children who should be acting as if they've been told their daddy can beat up your daddy. You want to get a brat to listen, you get him where it hurts and take away their toys.
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Post by Surly on Mar 11, 2018 1:16:24 GMT
There's no need for knee jerk reactions about DC nor any need to be rude to DC Fan. Though at the same time there was no need for DC Fan to immediately try and draw a comparison. It's also really not that serious that this needs to be confused for the politics board, it's about a man in a cat costume with sharp claws and warrior women who throw spears and ride on Rhinos. Okay, that's where you're wrong, pal. See... it's really about the existential development of the cinematic universe as it pertains to the cultural significance within it's real world political parallels. And furthermore... only kidding! I get your point. But somewhat in defense of myself, it is DC-Fan who first politicized the discussion of this movie.
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Post by Vassaggo on Mar 11, 2018 1:22:25 GMT
There's no need for knee jerk reactions about DC nor any need to be rude to DC Fan. Though at the same time there was no need for DC Fan to immediately try and draw a comparison. It's also really not that serious that this needs to be confused for the politics board, it's about a man in a cat costume with sharp claws and warrior women who throw spears and ride on Rhinos. Crap I hope my comments didn't come off as rude. I wasn't lying about having a shitty day and his posts made me laugh. I got some bad news about one of my oldest friends. And DC-Fan's posts did make me laugh and raise my mood by just being so dedicated to the preposterousness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 1:24:12 GMT
After 3 straight comedies (GotG2, SMH, and Ragna-joke), MCU tried to make a serious movie. But if Black Panther is supposed to be a serious movie, then Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL because Black Panther doesn't make any sense at all. 1. T'Chaka flew his aircraft to a neighborhood in Oakland at the beginning and T'Challa did the same thing at the end. The US government wouldn't just allow a foreign aircraft to fly over US airspace (especially after 9/11) and hover over or land in a US city. So Wakanda violated US airspace. Did you miss the part where their aircraft can turn invisible? Yes, they violated US airspace. So what? The US does that to other countries all the time, taking the view that since they have the power to do it they have the right to do it. Again, it's pretty obvious that Wakanda doesn't really care all that much about legal niceties. They do what is in their interests, and since they have the power to do so and nobody else has the power to stop them, they get away with it. You might want to check out Israel's record on things like this. They have several times abducted or murdered people in other countries. They don't ask permission, they just do it. See above. You seem convinced that Wakanda wants to follow international law and/or the law of other countries. In actuality, they clearly don't give much of a crap about this. Same response to 4 and 5. Well, as it turned out he didn't defeat T'Challa in combat. The combat is to the death, and T'Challa didn't die. [/quote]7. If Wakanda had all that medical technology/process to heal people and save lives, then why did T'Challa just let Killmonger die when T'Challa could've saved him?[/quote]As I recall he offered to save him, and Killmonger declined.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 11, 2018 3:35:08 GMT
Well, as it turned out he didn't defeat T'Challa in combat. The combat is to the death, and T'Challa didn't die. T'Challa was declared legally dead when Killmonger threw him over the edge of the waterfall. So from a legal perspective, Killmonger did officially defeat T'Challa in combat and legally won the throne of Wakanda according to Wakandan law. It's similar to how Natalee Holloway's body has never been found but she's already been declared legally dead. So if her family had any life insurance policy on her, they can legally collect the life insurance money even though her body has never been found. Same with T'Challa. T'Challa was declared legally dead so the combat was officially over and Killmonger had officially won and was the legal and rightful King of Wakanda.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 11, 2018 3:43:54 GMT
T'Challa was declared legally dead when Killmonger threw him over the edge of the waterfall. No, they didn't bother looking because Killmonger had enough supporters willing to fast-track things that they wanted him to be legitimized ASAP. Usurpers tend to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 16:10:11 GMT
Well, as it turned out he didn't defeat T'Challa in combat. The combat is to the death, and T'Challa didn't die. T'Challa was declared legally dead when Killmonger threw him over the edge of the waterfall. So from a legal perspective, Killmonger did officially defeat T'Challa in combat and legally won the throne of Wakanda according to Wakandan law. That's an assumption of yours, not something that is actually in the movie. In the movie he was declared dead because everyone assumed that he was dead - but when he proved not to be dead nobody said anything about the legal position. He took the view that the challenge was not in fact over, and there's nothing in the movie to say he was wrong about that.
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Post by Nalkarj on Mar 11, 2018 16:20:00 GMT
Have I mentioned before that I really don’t care about logical/“real-life” flaws in movies, especially superhero movies (which are FANTASIES)? One might as well complain about the fact that Geppetto couldn’t live in a whale. If not, there you go.
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