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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 17:40:57 GMT
After 3 straight comedies (GotG2, SMH, and Ragna-joke), MCU tried to make a serious movie. But if Black Panther is supposed to be a serious movie, then Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL because Black Panther doesn't make any sense at all.
1. T'Chaka flew his aircraft to a neighborhood in Oakland at the beginning and T'Challa did the same thing at the end. The US government wouldn't just allow a foreign aircraft to fly over US airspace (especially after 9/11) and hover over or land in a US city. So Wakanda violated US airspace.
2. T'Chaka tried to arrest his brother and take him back to Wakanda for execution. Even if his bother did break the law, he's on American soil and T'Chaka has no jurisdiction to arrest him on American soil. T'Chaka would have to request the US government arrest his brother and extradite him to Wakanda. But the reason T'Chaka didn't do that and instead tried to covertly take his brother back to Wakanda for execution is because T'Chaka was afraid his brother would request political asylum from the US government.
3. T'Chaka kills his brother and just leaves without taking his brother's body back and giving him a proper burial. Even if T'Chaka has diplomatic immunity, he just killed someone on American soil so by law he still needs to report that to the US authorities. Instead, T'Chaka just leaves his brother's dead body there for his young son to find. Imagine a young child finding his father's dead body like that!
4. Klaue was arrested on Korean soil. Why the fuck would the Korean authorities allow an American CIA agent (basically an American spy) and a Wakanda national to question a suspect arrested on Korean soil?
5. Why would the Korean government allow T'Challa to take a wounded American spy to Wakanda? 1 MCU fan said that South Korea is on friendly terms with the US, but that's irrelevant. He's not only an American citizen but an American CIA agent. The US government might not want a wounded CIA agent transported to a country that Americans aren't even allowed to visit and potentially drugged or tortured to reveal state secrets.
6. Since T'Challa accepted Killonger's challenge and Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat, Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda. So the American CIA agent was basically participating in an illegal coup against the rightful King of Wakanda when he helped T'Challa take back the throne. Shouldn't the rogue CIA agent call Langley first to check if he has permission from POTUS to participate in an illegal coup against the rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS might not want? After all, POTUS might prefer having a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda.
7. If Wakanda had all that medical technology/process to heal people and save lives, then why did T'Challa just let Killmonger die when T'Challa could've saved him? Because Killmonger didn't want to be in prison? But why would Killmonger be in prison? Killmonger didn't break any of Wakanda's laws. Killmonger was the uncle's real biological son so Killmonger wasn't an imposter. Killmonger challenged T'Challa for the throne, which Killmonger had a legal right to do by Wakandan law, and T'Challa accepted. Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat so Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda according to Wakandan law. And as the rightful King of Wakanda, Killmonger had the legal right by Wakandan law to order his army and his ships to go outside Wakanda and wage war. So what Wakandan law did Killmonger break? Why would Killmonger be put in prison when he didn't break any Wakandan laws? Is it just normal policy that the King of Wakanda can just throw anyone in a Wakandan jail just because they challenged the King?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 18:09:48 GMT
GIIVE ZIGGY ACKBAR THE WAMPAS FROM HOTH!!!!!!!!7!!!!!8!!!!9!!!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2018 19:07:44 GMT
But it has a 97 on RT, making it the REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED, UNIVERSAL best comic book movie ever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 19:10:50 GMT
Hands up anyone who actually took the time to read the OP in it's entirety?
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 19:13:38 GMT
After 3 straight comedies (GotG2, SMH, and Ragna-joke), MCU tried to copy DCEU by making a serious movie. But if Black Pantehr is supposed to be a serious movie, then Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL because Black Panther doesn't make any sense at all. 1. T'Chaka flew his aircraft to a neighborhood in Oakland at the beginning and T'Challa did the same thing at the end. The US government wouldn't just allow a foreign aircraft to fly over US airspace (especially after 9/11) and hover over or land in a US city. So Wakanda violated US airspace. Easily explainable. Maybe the aircraft has stealth technology that makes it undetectable. Maybe it's registered as a private aircraft and it's already received clearance. Does the Batmobile have a license plate? Why aren't the Gotham City police pulling him over and giving him a ticket in every Batman movie? Seriously pal! You need to check your own DCEU before taking shots! As king T'Chaka was telling one of his citizens what to do, even though that citizen was his brother and a prince. Any foreign dignitary would've done the same thing under those circumstances. Do you seriously think T'Chaka would've been standing there citing extradition and jurisdiction policy to himself to figure out what his options were? All of them were there under secrecy in the first place! Why would he report it? Were you expecting to see a movie about proper diplomatic etiquette? Were the Rakandans going around the world teaching everyone else about proper diplomatic etiquette and now somehow being hypocrites? I missed that part of the story. How do you know that he didn't already have clearance with the South Korean government? USA and South Korea are allies. In case you missed it while watching the movie, the Wakandans were pressed for time to get him to technology back in their country that could save the agent's life. They didn't stop to ask anybody. Maybe. But Killmonger was also a U.S. citizen and American agent. So the international community might regard Killmonger ascending the throne as U.S. tampering anyway. It's a valid gray area. And as Killmonger was an American agent maybe agent Ross felt he had grounds to proceed. Who's to say that Killmonger didn't break any Wakandan laws in the process of his rule? For example, he had all of the heart-shaped herb destroyed. And that certainly seemed to be against tradition if not law. Also he likely broke some laws as an American agent. And perhaps he already knew he was facing serious prison time for it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 19:16:39 GMT
But it has a 97 on RT, making it the REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED, UNIVERSAL best comic book movie ever. To disagree with the official RT Top 60 Superhero Movies of All Time ranking list is tantamount to disagreeing with Einstein's Theory of Relativity. They are calculated using Bayes' Theorem, doncha know??!
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Post by ThatGuy on Mar 10, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
But it has a 97 on RT, making it the REIGNING, DEFENDING, UNDISPUTED, UNIVERSAL best comic book movie ever. To disagree with the official RT Top 60 Superhero Movie of All Time ranking list is tantamount to disagreeing with Einstein's Theory of Relativity. They are calculated using Bayes' Theorem, doncha know??! It's meaningless now that Wonder Woman isn't on top.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2018 19:27:09 GMT
To disagree with the official RT Top 60 Superhero Movie of All Time ranking list is tantamount to disagreeing with Einstein's Theory of Relativity. They are calculated using Bayes' Theorem, doncha know??! It's meaningless now that Wonder Woman isn't on top. The RT Top 60 Superhero Movies of All Time ranking list or Batman's sex life?
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 19:37:04 GMT
Easily explainable. Maybe the aircraft has stealth technology that makes it undetectable. Which still doesn't explain the violation of US airspace. Maybe it's registered as a private aircraft and it's already received clearance. The US wouldn't give any such clearance to a foreign aircraft, especially after 9/11. As king T'Chaka was telling one of his citizens what to do, even though that citizen was his brother and a prince. Any foreign dignitary would've done the same thing under those circumstances. Still doesn't explain the fact that T'Chaka has no jursidiction to arrest anyone on US soil. All of them were there under secrecy in the first place! Still doesn't excuse T'Chaka from his duty to report a death, by his own hands, to the proper authorities. Because T'Chaka just killed someone and the law requires that he report the death to the proper authorities. Were you expecting to see a movie about proper diplomatic etiquette? Everyone says BP isn't a comedy and is a serious movie. If it's supposed to be serious, then it shouldn't be so badly written. Maybe. But Killmonger was also a U.S. citizen and American agent. So the international community might regard Killmonger ascending the throne as U.S. tampering anyway. So what? That's never stopped the US from implementing their foreign policy in other nations before. No, it's not. Either POTUS wants the CIA to help overthrow the rightful King of a foreign nation or he doesn't. Either way, the CIA agent should call Langley first to find out what POTUS wants before potentially involving the US in a war that POTUS might not want. as Killmonger was an American agent maybe agent Ross felt he had grounds to proceed. Ross' participation in an illegal coup to overthrow the rightful King of a foreign nation could potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS doesn't want. That falls under foreign policy and Ross, as an American spy, has no grounds to proceed on any foreign policy action on behalf of the US without approval from POTUS. Who's to say that Killmonger didn't break any Wakandan laws in the process of his rule? For example, he had all of the heart-shaped herb destroyed. And that certainly seemed to be against tradition if not law. He's the rightful King of Wakanda so if he orders the herbs destroyed, that's his right to do so as the rightful King of Wakanda. he likely broke some laws as an American agent Had the US charged him with any crimes or issued any warrant for his arrest? If he broke US laws, then it's up to the US government to decide if they want to file any charges against him.
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 20:14:06 GMT
Easily explainable. Maybe the aircraft has stealth technology that makes it undetectable. Which still doesn't explain the violation of US airspace. Actually it does. If you can't comprehend how that's your fault. So let's say that's the case. I don't see you finding fault with why Batman doesn't get his Batmobile ticketed or impounded. Does Batman have legal authority to apprehend criminals or legally kill them? No. Strange that the Gotham City government approves of it or looks the other way. Like I said, check your own DCEU before taking shots, pal. Otherwise you look like a hypocrite. But it does explain the fact that under the circumstances he didn't care. And the crime was never solved by U.S. authorities. And the whole thing occurred under a spy/surveillance mission. So it makes your complaint a silly issue to criticize with. Again, this is a silly complaint. What kind of spy would report his own violations of law of a country he was spying on? Or their own illegal activities in it? Had they portrayed it the way you're suggesting then critics would've "ripped it to shreds". And you being the hypocrite you are, would've been first in line to do so. Show me a spy who obeys all local laws and reports his own violations, and I'll show you a dead spy with a short career. It's not badly written. (At least not to the degree you're implying). It's a superhero movie with spy thriller elements. Not a movie documentary about proper diplomatic etiquette. Does James Bond follow diplomatic etiquette? Then why do you have a problem with Ross tampering. Maybe it's in the USA's best interest that he does. You're contradicting your own argument. My suggestion is that you stick to watching training films on diplomatic etiquette and ambassadorial protocol. That's not what this movie was about. Call up the United Nations headquarters and see what films on ambassadorial protocol they have available to the public. It sounds like you're in desperate need of viewing one. No he doesn't. Not if there's a national law that forbids it. Even kings have laws that they answer to. I guessed you missed the part where I said Killmonger may have been aware that he did break laws and he was going to answer to them. Giving him reason to say what he said.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Mar 10, 2018 20:32:34 GMT
This post and its author are a complete fucking joke. I’ll be laughing my ass off until the sequel drops.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 20:45:27 GMT
So let's say that's the case. I don't see you finding fault with why Batman doesn't get his Batmobile ticketed or impounded. Does Batman have legal authority to apprehend criminals or legally kill them? No. Strange that the Gotham City government approves of it or looks the other way. Yes, Batman has legal authority. When the GCPD flashes the Bat-signal in the sky, that means they're requesting Batman's help to apprehend criminals. SO Batman effective is a "deputy" of the GCPD. It's similar to the Old West. When the Sheriff needed to catch an outlaw, the Sheriff often asked for men to help him. Any men who were willing to help the Sheriff catch the outlaw would be deputized by the Sheriff and thus would be acting as deputies of the Sheriff. Similar with Batman, he's acting as a deputy of the GCPD since the GCPD requested his help by flashing the Bat-signal in the sky. Then why do you have a problem with Ross tampering. I don't have a problem with Ross tampering, if that's what Langley ordered him to do because POTUS wants that. But Ross never even called Langley to check if that's what POTUS wants him to do. So Ross decided on his own to participate in an illegal coup to overthrow the rightful and legal King of a foreign nation, actions that could've involved the US in a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. That's what the problem is. Maybe it's in the USA's best interest that he does. Except that it's not Ross' decision to make as to what's in the best interest of the US with regards to foreign policy. It's POTUS' decision to make as to what's in the best interest of the US with regards to foreign policy. Like I said, BP is just another over-hyped and over-rated MCU movie that has plenty of awful writing.
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Post by damngumby on Mar 10, 2018 20:58:06 GMT
MCU tried to copy DCEU ... Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL MCU did indeed fail to copy DCEU. Thank God. May these “failures” continue. Repeat after me. THE GREATEST SUPERHERO MOVIE OF ALL TIME!
That’s all you need to know.
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 21:15:53 GMT
So let's say that's the case. I don't see you finding fault with why Batman doesn't get his Batmobile ticketed or impounded. Does Batman have legal authority to apprehend criminals or legally kill them? No. Strange that the Gotham City government approves of it or looks the other way. Yes, Batman has legal authority. When the GCPD flashes the Bat-signal in the sky, that means they're requesting Batman's help to apprehend criminals. SO Batman effective is a "deputy" of the GCPD. Then please show me where Batman is officially deputized. Because everything I've seen suggests an unofficial vigilante alliance with the Gotham City police force. Wait? What?!? The Gotham City police force doesn't have to do everything officially and "by the book", but Wakandan spies and diplomats do? Huh? Well an American spy who happened to be half royal blood was enough to start a civil war in Rakanda anyway. All of this is assuming he had the means to communicate with his superiors at the time anyway. And following the events of the film that's questionable.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 21:26:13 GMT
Then please show me where Batman is officially deputized. The Bat-signal is on the roof of GCPD headquarters and the police Commissioner uses it to call Batman. So that's the GCPD's official way of calling Batman for help and that also means Batman acts as a "deputy" of the GCPD, similar to how men who help a Sheriff track an outlaw in the Old West act as deputies of the Sheriff. All of this is assuming he had the means to communicate with his superiors at the time anyway. So you're saying that a supposedly technologically advanced nation like Wakanda had no cell phone service and no e-mail service?
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Post by londonbridge115 on Mar 10, 2018 21:35:17 GMT
After 3 straight comedies (GotG2, SMH, and Ragna-joke), MCU tried to copy DCEU by making a serious movie. But if Black Pantehr is supposed to be a serious movie, then Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL because Black Panther doesn't make any sense at all. 1. T'Chaka flew his aircraft to a neighborhood in Oakland at the beginning and T'Challa did the same thing at the end. The US government wouldn't just allow a foreign aircraft to fly over US airspace (especially after 9/11) and hover over or land in a US city. So Wakanda violated US airspace. 2. T'Chaka tried to arrest his brother and take him back to Wakanda for execution. Even if his bother did break the law, he's on American soil and T'Chaka has no jurisdiction to arrest him on American soil. T'Chaka would have to request the US government arrest his brother and extradite him to Wakanda. But the reason T'Chaka didn't do that and instead tried to covertly take his brother back to Wakanda for execution is because T'Chaka was afraid his brother would request political asylum from the US government. 3. T'Chaka kills his brother and just leaves without taking his brother's body back and giving him a proper burial. Even if T'Chaka has diplomatic immunity, he just killed someone on American soil so by law he still needs to report that to the US authorities. Instead, T'Chaka just leaves his brother's dead body there for his young son to find. Imagine a young child finding his father's dead body like that! 4. Klaue was arrested on Korean soil. Why the fuck would the Korean authorities allow an American CIA agent (basically an American spy) and a Wakanda national to question a suspect arrested on Korean soil? 5. Why would the Korean government allow T'Challa to take a wounded American spy to Wakanda? 1 MCU fan said that South Korea is on friendly terms with the US, but that's irrelevant. He's not only an American citizen but an American CIA agent. The US government might not want a wounded CIA agent transported to a country that Americans aren't even allowed to visit and potentially drugged or tortured to reveal state secrets. 6. Since T'Challa accepted Killonger's challenge and Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat, Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda. So the American CIA agent was basically participating in an illegal coup against the rightful King of Wakanda when he helped T'Challa take back the throne. Shouldn't the rogue CIA agent call Langley first to check if he has permission from POTUS to participate in an illegal coup against the rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS might not want? After all, POTUS might prefer having a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. 7. If Wakanda had all that medical technology/process to heal people and save lives, then why did T'Challa just let Killmonger die when T'Challa could've saved him? Because Killmonger didn't want to be in prison? But why would Killmonger be in prison? Killmonger didn't break any of Wakanda's laws. Killmonger was the uncle's real biological son so Killmonger wasn't an imposter. Killmonger challenged T'Challa for the throne, which Killmonger had a legal right to do by Wakandan law, and T'Challa accepted. Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat so Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda according to Wakandan law. And as the rightful King of Wakanda, Killmonger had the legal right by Wakandan law to order his army and his ships to go outside Wakanda and wage war. So what Wakandan law did Killmonger break? Why would Killmonger be put in prison when he didn't break any Wakandan laws? Is it just normal policy that the King of Wakanda can just throw anyone in a Wakandan jail just because they challenged the King? ...you are REACHING. Desparately. Btw, Killmonger wasn’t the rightful king of Wakanda. The only way for someone to win the challenge was to die or yield, and T’challa did neither. Did you watch the movie?
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 21:35:35 GMT
Then please show me where Batman is officially deputized. The Bat-signal is on the roof of GCPD headquarters and the police Commissioner uses it to call Batman. So that's the GCPD's official way of calling Batman for help and that also means Batman acts as a "deputy" of the GCPD, similar to how men who help a Sheriff track an outlaw in the Old West act as deputies of the Sheriff. All of this is assuming he had the means to communicate with his superiors at the time anyway. So you're saying that a supposedly technologically advanced nation like Wakanda had no cell phone service and no e-mail service? I'm saying Ross was locked in the lab. The Rakandans didn't want him having free reign of the city or other areas that maybe they considered "classified" and off limits to outsiders. They didn't want outsider interference at the time of their crisis. So they locked Ross in the lab. And that implies that he possibly had no access to communication with his country.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 21:52:40 GMT
After 3 straight comedies (GotG2, SMH, and Ragna-joke), MCU tried to copy DCEU by making a serious movie. But if Black Pantehr is supposed to be a serious movie, then Black Panther is a HUGE FAIL because Black Panther doesn't make any sense at all. 1. T'Chaka flew his aircraft to a neighborhood in Oakland at the beginning and T'Challa did the same thing at the end. The US government wouldn't just allow a foreign aircraft to fly over US airspace (especially after 9/11) and hover over or land in a US city. So Wakanda violated US airspace. 2. T'Chaka tried to arrest his brother and take him back to Wakanda for execution. Even if his bother did break the law, he's on American soil and T'Chaka has no jurisdiction to arrest him on American soil. T'Chaka would have to request the US government arrest his brother and extradite him to Wakanda. But the reason T'Chaka didn't do that and instead tried to covertly take his brother back to Wakanda for execution is because T'Chaka was afraid his brother would request political asylum from the US government. 3. T'Chaka kills his brother and just leaves without taking his brother's body back and giving him a proper burial. Even if T'Chaka has diplomatic immunity, he just killed someone on American soil so by law he still needs to report that to the US authorities. Instead, T'Chaka just leaves his brother's dead body there for his young son to find. Imagine a young child finding his father's dead body like that! 4. Klaue was arrested on Korean soil. Why the fuck would the Korean authorities allow an American CIA agent (basically an American spy) and a Wakanda national to question a suspect arrested on Korean soil? 5. Why would the Korean government allow T'Challa to take a wounded American spy to Wakanda? 1 MCU fan said that South Korea is on friendly terms with the US, but that's irrelevant. He's not only an American citizen but an American CIA agent. The US government might not want a wounded CIA agent transported to a country that Americans aren't even allowed to visit and potentially drugged or tortured to reveal state secrets. 6. Since T'Challa accepted Killonger's challenge and Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat, Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda. So the American CIA agent was basically participating in an illegal coup against the rightful King of Wakanda when he helped T'Challa take back the throne. Shouldn't the rogue CIA agent call Langley first to check if he has permission from POTUS to participate in an illegal coup against the rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS might not want? After all, POTUS might prefer having a former American soldier on the throne of Wakanda. 7. If Wakanda had all that medical technology/process to heal people and save lives, then why did T'Challa just let Killmonger die when T'Challa could've saved him? Because Killmonger didn't want to be in prison? But why would Killmonger be in prison? Killmonger didn't break any of Wakanda's laws. Killmonger was the uncle's real biological son so Killmonger wasn't an imposter. Killmonger challenged T'Challa for the throne, which Killmonger had a legal right to do by Wakandan law, and T'Challa accepted. Killmonger defeated T'Challa in combat so Killmonger was the rightful King of Wakanda according to Wakandan law. And as the rightful King of Wakanda, Killmonger had the legal right by Wakandan law to order his army and his ships to go outside Wakanda and wage war. So what Wakandan law did Killmonger break? Why would Killmonger be put in prison when he didn't break any Wakandan laws? Is it just normal policy that the King of Wakanda can just throw anyone in a Wakandan jail just because they challenged the King? ...you are REACHING. Desparately. Btw, Killmonger wasn’t the rightful king of Wakanda. The only way for someone to win the challenge was to die or yield, and T’challa did neither. Did you watch the movie? Did YOU even watch the movie? Killmonger was indeed the rightful King of Wanda. There are 2 ways to win the combat. Either a combatant yields or dies. The fight is supposed to be 1-on-1. When Forest Whitaker stopped Killmonger from chopping off T'Challa's head, Forest Whitaker basically yielded on behalf of T'Challa, who was too incapicated to yield. So at that point,t he fight was over and Killmonger had officially won. Also, when Killmonger threw T'Challa off the edge of the waterfall, T'Challa was declared legally dead and Killmonger was officially declared the winner and the King. If someone is declared dead, then for all legal purposes they are dead. FOr example, Natalee Holloway's body was never found but she's already been declared legally dead. So for all legal purposes, she's dead even though her body has never been found. Same for T'Challa. When Killmonger threw T'Challa off the edge of the waterfall, T'Challas was declared legally dead and Killonger was officially declared King. So YES, Killmonger did indeed officially win the combat and Killmonger was the legal and rightful King of Wakanda.
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Post by DC-Fan on Mar 10, 2018 21:55:53 GMT
The Bat-signal is on the roof of GCPD headquarters and the police Commissioner uses it to call Batman. So that's the GCPD's official way of calling Batman for help and that also means Batman acts as a "deputy" of the GCPD, similar to how men who help a Sheriff track an outlaw in the Old West act as deputies of the Sheriff. So you're saying that a supposedly technologically advanced nation like Wakanda had no cell phone service and no e-mail service? I'm saying Ross was locked in the lab. The Rakandans didn't want him having free reign of the city or other areas that maybe they considered "classified" and off limits to outsiders. They didn't want outsider interference at the time of their crisis. So they locked Ross in the lab. And that implies that he possibly had no access to communication with his country. If he had no communication with Langley, then he should've stood down and not gotten involved in an illegal coup to overthrow the legal and rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. Instead, he went rogue and committed illegal actions that might have drawn America into a war that POTUS and the American people might not want.
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Post by Surly on Mar 10, 2018 22:12:06 GMT
I'm saying Ross was locked in the lab. The Rakandans didn't want him having free reign of the city or other areas that maybe they considered "classified" and off limits to outsiders. They didn't want outsider interference at the time of their crisis. So they locked Ross in the lab. And that implies that he possibly had no access to communication with his country. If he had no communication with Langley, then he should've stood down and not gotten involved in an illegal coup to overthrow the legal and rightful King of a foreign nation and potentially involve the US in a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. Instead, he went rogue and committed illegal actions that might have drawn America into a war that POTUS and the American people might not want. That's your take on it. They were already involved because the new king was an American citizen and agent. The whole world would've interpreted that as tampering and a puppet dictator installed by America. In some cases field agents have to make decisions without the benefit of communication or orders from their superiors. Sometimes there's already a rough draft protocol in place as to what to do in case communications are impossible.
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