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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 26, 2018 14:32:17 GMT
That is one of the main things that bothers me with the show too. With the Black Canary in 'Arrow' they always said the reason why she was powered down and wasn't a highly skilled fighter like she is in the comic books was 'cause they didn't want her overshadowing Oliver since the show was 'Arrow' and was about Oliver Queen but there is no excuse with Supergirl. Supergirl is really powerful in the comic books and there should be nobody on this show as powerful as Supergirl since it is her show. It really bugs me that they made it that she couldn't fly around in space since she does that in the comic books a lot but with how useless they make her look on this show you have to wonder how useless their version of Superman is since Kara is more powerful than him on this like she is in the comic books. Perry White probably overshadows him regularly. The writers probably want to depower her to make the storyline more intetesting. If she's the strongest then she'll never be in real danger. Yes, but she doesn't always have to be in personal danger. You can still have an exciting show if her loved ones or the city or the world are in danger even if her personal health is not. Bruce Lee doesn't have to lose fights to make a good movie, Robin Hood doesn't have to lose archery matches, Zorro doesn't have to lose sword fights in every story. The occasions where an enemy presents a physical threat to Supergirl should be the very rare exception, not the rule. I can list a lot of great superhero shows where almost nothing was ever stronger than the hero. Wonder Woman The Incredible Hulk The 6 Million Dollar Man The Adventures of Superman Superboy Lois and Clarke The Bionic Woman Hercules the Legendary Journeys Xena and many more as well as many other shows with non-super powered stars. I would just like to see some alien monster hit Supergirl and break it's hand without her even flinching, just once.
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Post by hardball on Apr 26, 2018 15:02:12 GMT
The writers probably want to depower her to make the storyline more intetesting. If she's the strongest then she'll never be in real danger. Yes, but she doesn't always have to be in personal danger. You can still have an exciting show if her loved ones or the city or the world are in danger even if her personal health is not. Bruce Lee doesn't have to lose fights to make a good movie, Robin Hood doesn't have to lose archery matches, Zorro doesn't have to lose sword fights in every story. The occasions where an enemy presents a physical threat to Supergirl should be the very rare exception, not the rule. I can list a lot of great superhero shows where almost nothing was ever stronger than the hero. Wonder Woman The Incredible Hulk The 6 Million Dollar Man The Adventures of Superman Superboy Lois and Clarke The Bionic Woman Hercules the Legendary Journeys Xena and many more as well as many other shows with non-super powered stars. I would just like to see some alien monster hit Supergirl and break it's hand without her even flinching, just once. You have a point, but i think the show's emphasis is on making her relatable - to a fault - i.e., even the strongest have to face challenges but through sheer will can overcome them. And Kara does overcome her opponents albeit getting beat up first. It seems to me they're wary of making her appear too powerful because it might take away the human element, but yeah, a bit more super won't hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2018 18:08:55 GMT
I like the show well enough.
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Post by hardball on Apr 27, 2018 0:14:29 GMT
I like Supergirl too, and of all the Arrowverse shows this season I think it's the best. But it can be so much more.
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Post by General Kenobi on Apr 28, 2018 13:49:45 GMT
I think the shows are dull messes that elicit one emotion out of me: White hot anger.
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Post by BexxyJ on Apr 30, 2018 7:01:18 GMT
Supergirl already fails by not having Imra in enough episodes. What type of show leaves the best part out of it?
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Post by hardball on Apr 30, 2018 11:00:04 GMT
Supergirl already fails by not having Imra in enough episodes. What type of show leaves the best part out of it? Well, we can't have a recurring guest overshadow the main star now can we.
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Post by dazz on Apr 30, 2018 14:55:41 GMT
Well Arrow never had an issue with it with Slade, Flash doesn't seem to have an issue with it for Eobard, hell Legends embraced it by making Constantine a regular cast member, so why neuter a character that could be fun just to not overshadow a already neutered main character? Also Supergirl often gets shown up by guest stars so why care about Saturn Girl doing it?
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Post by hardball on May 1, 2018 13:56:51 GMT
Well Arrow never had an issue with it with Slade, Flash doesn't seem to have an issue with it for Eobard, hell Legends embraced it by making Constantine a regular cast member, so why neuter a character that could be fun just to not overshadow a already neutered main character? Also Supergirl often gets shown up by guest stars so why care about Saturn Girl doing it? Well she gets her ass handed to her by aliens and metas every week, so she can't lose in the hotness department too. Especially by a Saturn Girl who isn't even blonde
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2018 13:58:12 GMT
Well Arrow never had an issue with it with Slade, Flash doesn't seem to have an issue with it for Eobard, hell Legends embraced it by making Constantine a regular cast member, so why neuter a character that could be fun just to not overshadow a already neutered main character? Also Supergirl often gets shown up by guest stars so why care about Saturn Girl doing it? Well she gets her ass handed to her by aliens and metas every week, so she can't lose in the hotness department too. Especially by a Saturn Girl who isn't even blonde Saturn Girl is extremely hot on the show but I would still say that both Supergirl and Alex are hotter.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:02:31 GMT
I agree with a lot of the comments here that have been made about the show especially by Taylorsfirst and there is no reason why they have depowered Kara down so much and it seems to be done to give more spotlight to the rest of the cast. I mean having the Guardian come to save her in some episodes just looks really embarrassing and I just feel Kara should be more powerful. This article brings up a lot of the problems with the show and I think Mon El needs to go. ‘Supergirl’ has forgotten what feminism iswww.hypable.com/supergirl-has-forgotten-feminism/
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 14:41:45 GMT
I agree with a lot of the comments here that have been made about the show especially by Taylorsfirst and there is no reason why they have depowered Kara down so much and it seems to be done to give more spotlight to the rest of the cast. I mean having the Guardian come to save her in some episodes just looks really embarrassing and I just feel Kara should be more powerful. This article brings up a lot of the problems with the show and I think Mon El needs to go. ‘Supergirl’ has forgotten what feminism iswww.hypable.com/supergirl-has-forgotten-feminism/ A lot of BS in that article.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 1, 2018 14:57:36 GMT
I agree with some of the stuff in the article but I don't think the show is failing as a feminist show, I think it is failing as a SUPERHERO show.
It's not that she isn't feminist enough, it's that she isn't heroic enough.
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Post by General Kenobi on May 1, 2018 16:40:05 GMT
I think the show fails as a superhero show and a feminist show. It mistakes grrl power for feminism and comes across as juvenile for it.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2018 13:47:48 GMT
I think the show fails as a superhero show and a feminist show. It mistakes grrl power for feminism and comes across as juvenile for it. Yeah. I agree with both of you. Poor writing, too much focusing on side characters and not enough focus or development for the main character are some of the main problems with this show and the thing with 'Supergirl' is I don't think it is too late to fix it like it is too late to make it into a proper 'Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El' TV 'cause they have changed WAY too many things with the character that she is barely recognisable and I will never count it as a 'Supergirl' TV show but I think with better writers they could improve and I think one of the main things they need to do is get rid of a lot of the side characters. Have Alex leave and go off with Maggie, give Martian Manhunter his own spinoff show on the DC Streaming Service, have James go back to Superman and kill off Mon El and then we might be getting somewhere. '24' did it in Season 5 when they got rid of Tony, Michelle and David Palmer after they had Jack's daughter leave at the end of Season 3 and Jack become the main focus of the show. I think the same could be done in this show.
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Post by hardball on May 5, 2018 15:03:27 GMT
Well she gets her ass handed to her by aliens and metas every week, so she can't lose in the hotness department too. Especially by a Saturn Girl who isn't even blonde Saturn Girl is extremely hot on the show but I would still say that both Supergirl and Alex are hotter. If I were to rank it'd be Saturn Girl > Kara > Reign > Alex > Lena. My only complaint - well it's not really a complaint, just nitpicking - is that I've always pictured Saturn Girl with blonde hair. But really, Amy Jackson - and the other ladies - are very easy on the eyes.
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Post by hardball on May 5, 2018 15:09:13 GMT
I think the show fails as a superhero show and a feminist show. It mistakes grrl power for feminism and comes across as juvenile for it. Yeah. I agree with both of you. Poor writing, too much focusing on side characters and not enough focus or development for the main character are some of the main problems with this show and the thing with 'Supergirl' is I don't think it is too late to fix it like it is too late to make it into a proper 'Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El' TV 'cause they have changed WAY too many things with the character that she is barely recognisable and I will never count it as a 'Supergirl' TV show but I think with better writers they could improve and I think one of the main things they need to do is get rid of a lot of the side characters. Have Alex leave and go off with Maggie, give Martian Manhunter his own spinoff show on the DC Streaming Service, have James go back to Superman and kill off Mon El and then we might be getting somewhere. '24' did it in Season 5 when they got rid of Tony, Michelle and David Palmer after they had Jack's daughter leave at the end of Season 3 and Jack become the main focus of the show. I think the same could be done in this show. There is no reason why Jimmy Olsen - and Lena Luthor - should even be on this show. Or why Lucy Lane had to appear as well. It's not enough they made Kara into a Clark Kent clone but the showrunners felt the need to use Superman characters like a crutch. I know I've mentioned this before but the imporant role that Lena plays on the show just highlights this. I'm glad Jimmy dropped the Guardian act. I can't remember why he stopped but it was really dumb.
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Post by hardball on May 5, 2018 15:10:41 GMT
Regarding MM getting his own show on the DC streaming service, I wonder what will happen to thee CW shows if that service takes off. Wouldn't DC want to have all their characters on their own platform?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2018 16:01:22 GMT
Yeah. I agree with both of you. Poor writing, too much focusing on side characters and not enough focus or development for the main character are some of the main problems with this show and the thing with 'Supergirl' is I don't think it is too late to fix it like it is too late to make it into a proper 'Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El' TV 'cause they have changed WAY too many things with the character that she is barely recognisable and I will never count it as a 'Supergirl' TV show but I think with better writers they could improve and I think one of the main things they need to do is get rid of a lot of the side characters. Have Alex leave and go off with Maggie, give Martian Manhunter his own spinoff show on the DC Streaming Service, have James go back to Superman and kill off Mon El and then we might be getting somewhere. '24' did it in Season 5 when they got rid of Tony, Michelle and David Palmer after they had Jack's daughter leave at the end of Season 3 and Jack become the main focus of the show. I think the same could be done in this show. There is no reason why Jimmy Olsen - and Lena Luthor - should even be on this show. Or why Lucy Lane had to appear as well. I agree with this 100%.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 13:25:06 GMT
Yeah. I agree with both of you. Poor writing, too much focusing on side characters and not enough focus or development for the main character are some of the main problems with this show and the thing with 'Supergirl' is I don't think it is too late to fix it like it is too late to make it into a proper 'Supergirl/ Kara Zor-El' TV 'cause they have changed WAY too many things with the character that she is barely recognisable and I will never count it as a 'Supergirl' TV show but I think with better writers they could improve and I think one of the main things they need to do is get rid of a lot of the side characters. Have Alex leave and go off with Maggie, give Martian Manhunter his own spinoff show on the DC Streaming Service, have James go back to Superman and kill off Mon El and then we might be getting somewhere. '24' did it in Season 5 when they got rid of Tony, Michelle and David Palmer after they had Jack's daughter leave at the end of Season 3 and Jack become the main focus of the show. I think the same could be done in this show. There is no reason why Jimmy Olsen - and Lena Luthor - should even be on this show. Or why Lucy Lane had to appear as well. It's not enough they made Kara into a Clark Kent clone but the showrunners felt the need to use Superman characters like a crutch. I know I've mentioned this before but the imporant role that Lena plays on the show just highlights this. I'm glad Jimmy dropped the Guardian act. I can't remember why he stopped but it was really dumb. No. You are right. There is no reason why Jimmy Olsen or James (as they call him) is on the show and while I like Katie McGrath and am hoping she gets more roles after she is finished on 'Supergirl' there isn't any need for her to be on the show either. Lucy Lane actually appeared in some of the 'Supergirl' comic books so I wasn't majorly opposed to having her appear but not as a regular and I wasn't a fan of their portrayal of the character and feel the way she left it didn't make much sense but the actress spoke out and said she left due to them moving the filming location of the show. She also said she was willing to come back for an episode or two but since then they have never used her again so I think they would rather pretend she never existed than to acknowledge what happened to her. I feel the show would be better if they got rid of a lot of the other characters and focused more on their main star. This is supposed to be a show about 'Supergirl' and she never had this big supporting cast like Superman had with Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White, Cat Grant, Pete Ross, Lena Lang and Chloe Sullivan (Smallville) but they often end up focusing more on them than her like last season especially with Mon El which takes away from her character. If they want some supporting characters fine but bring in more from the comic books like Power Girl and Comet along with more members of the Legion.
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