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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 16, 2018 2:59:31 GMT
I'm not sure that the word "rest" is meant as "taking a nap"... or meant to imply that He got tired and needed to catch his breath. It's the creation story: Day 1, God made this... Day 2, God made that... Day 3, yada yada yada.. on Day 7, He rested. As in "On Day Seven, he stopped creating things"... Think of it as a "rest" in music... It's not that you're taking a break during the rest marks... It's just that those are the moments that you don't play notes. That is a rather lovely way of thinking of it, however, according to CooGJS, he has given up playing any/many notes since. I think he has dropped the ball. That's not true. I didn't say anything of the sort. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite. You may be attributing something to a rest day that isn't necessarily accurate and certainly nothing I indicated.
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Post by goz on Mar 16, 2018 7:06:19 GMT
That is a rather lovely way of thinking of it, however, according to CooGJS, he has given up playing any/many notes since. I think he has dropped the ball. That's not true. I didn't say anything of the sort. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite. You may be attributing something to a rest day that isn't necessarily accurate and certainly nothing I indicated. Look Cool GJS. I, for one, ( and many others on this Board) are heartily sick of your 'cryptic crap'. You skirt around the topic and refuse to cough up any definitive answers because you actually have NFI, and wait to see what we, as posters bring up so you can move the goalposts. You are at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest. Frankly I don't give a shit about your ridiculous JW nonsense. I was seriously trying to understand you opinions and you have shut me down in a ridiculous display ofskirting around the topic at hand.
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Post by Cody™ on Mar 16, 2018 9:37:09 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? And what does the Bible say he did on the eighth, ninth, and tenth day? First off, it doesn't say he "needed" to rest, it simply says he did rest. Secondly, the word translated as rested from the original Hebrew is shabat, the main definition of which means "to cease or stop". So the text is basically saying God created the world in six days and stopped working on the seventh.
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Post by rizdek on Mar 16, 2018 10:17:02 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? And what does the Bible say he did on the eighth, ninth, and tenth day? It was a made up story parents told their children at night around the camp fire to "explain" why things were the way they were. The kids probably wondered why they couldn't play on the Sabbath or whatever they called it then, and instead of just owning up to the fact that the parents were tired of the kids running and hollering and needed a "day off," they made up a story that even God needed a day off every so often. IOW, don't take that nonsense seriously unless it's for literary or historical purposes.
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Post by rizdek on Mar 16, 2018 10:23:17 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? And what does the Bible say he did on the eighth, ninth, and tenth day? First off, it doesn't say he "needed" to rest, it simply says he did rest. Secondly, the word translated as rested from the original Hebrew is shabat, the main definition of which means "to cease or stop". So the text is basically saying God created the world in six days and stopped working on the seventh. All well and good, but who am I to believe? Some person on the internet or the myriad of expert bible translators, most of whom used the word "rest."
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Post by Vegas on Mar 16, 2018 11:44:28 GMT
First off, it doesn't say he "needed" to rest, it simply says he did rest. Secondly, the word translated as rested from the original Hebrew is shabat, the main definition of which means "to cease or stop". So the text is basically saying God created the world in six days and stopped working on the seventh. All well and good, but who am I to believe? Some person on the internet or the myriad of expert bible translators, most of whom used the word "rest."You sound like the type that will believe what he wants to believe... Case in point: He never said not to use the word rest. He just cited its actual meaning.... and those Bible scholars that you're falling back on as if he is defying them agree with him.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 16, 2018 11:49:10 GMT
That's not true. I didn't say anything of the sort. In fact, I'm pretty sure I said the opposite. You may be attributing something to a rest day that isn't necessarily accurate and certainly nothing I indicated. Look Cool GJS. I, for one, ( and many others on this Board) are heartily sick of your 'cryptic crap'. You skirt around the topic and refuse to cough up any definitive answers because you actually have NFI, and wait to see what we, as posters bring up so you can move the goalposts. You are at best disingenuous and at worst dishonest. Frankly I don't give a shit about your ridiculous JW nonsense. I was seriously trying to understand you opinions and you have shut me down in a ridiculous display ofskirting around the topic at hand. There's nothing cryptic about these statements: They can't get any blunter.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 16, 2018 11:51:17 GMT
First off, it doesn't say he "needed" to rest, it simply says he did rest. Secondly, the word translated as rested from the original Hebrew is shabat, the main definition of which means "to cease or stop". So the text is basically saying God created the world in six days and stopped working on the seventh. All well and good, but who am I to believe? Some person on the internet or the myriad of expert bible translators, most of whom used the word "rest." I asked this question of Goz, but I'm still not sure what the typical atheist does on their days of rest. Are you literally sitting on a couch all day doing nothing but binge watching Breaking Bad?
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 16, 2018 13:54:59 GMT
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Post by johnblutarsky on Mar 16, 2018 15:03:11 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? He needed a good follow-up to Casual-Dress Friday.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 16, 2018 15:21:56 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? And what does the Bible say he did on the eighth, ninth, and tenth day? Another interesting question is, if this purported creator is all-powerful, then why need to take a whole week to do things in the first place? Why not instantaneously? I seem to remember other supposed gods managing it quicker than that in their own myths. And, also, how did the Christian god manage to create 'light' and distinguish it from darkness two days or so before creating the stars and the sky to put them in? Or, come to that, how could there be a 'day' and 'evening' and then an ensuing 'morning' at all with no rising sun yet to measure it all by? Answers on a postcard to : Special Pleading Dept.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 16, 2018 15:36:43 GMT
FilmFlaneurThese have been asked before and will ikely be asked again, possibly in this very thread and by the same people: This has always been a strange question to me considering it is so clearly in the view of what the person asking it would do. It's aking to asking why McDonald's puts so much salt on their fries. The answer is simple: If we are to assume that he is all powerful, in whatever capacity we want to define that on the heavy rock lifting scale, then he can tale whatever amount of time he wishes to do whatever. That there may be reasons for the time it takes is irrelevant to the notion that he can take them. The very first verse says he created the heavens and the earth and it had nothing to do with the creative days. Consider those the canvas. the light and the dark are only from the perspective of what can be seen on earth.the writer of Genesis is not an astronaut but he also clearly was aware that the heavens and the earth were created before the start of the creative days that focus on the earth. 1. My mornings start with the moon being out. 2. The references are merely to provide and opening and closing to the creative days which is why there hasn't been an "evening" to the seventh day yet.
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Post by general313 on Mar 16, 2018 16:07:05 GMT
Cool answer. Are you implying as a creationist that the work was completed? (if you are) I'm stating that he is still in his day of rest. Ah, so he retired from the job. I guess that explains his "hands off" approach to managing the world.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 16, 2018 16:10:47 GMT
If God is so all-powerful, why does he need a day off? And what does the Bible say he did on the eighth, ninth, and tenth day? Answers on a postcard to : Special Pleading Dept.Answers are on a post card that will be going in one ear and out the other... because you're that type that never listens to sht. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif) For the record... That's not an interesting question. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/c2xjcn7h5/none.gif) ![](https://s26.postimg.org/n7cun29i1/angry7.gif) - "WHY DOESN'T IT SAY THAT HE DID IT DIFFERENTLY THAN HOW IT SAYS HE DID IT??" ![](https://s26.postimg.org/g0ugcwpzt/sleep.gif)
Because they're not literal days, stupid. Each day is marked by what was created... not a sun rising and setting. This has only been explained to you several times a year for the last decade... You seriously can't be this stupid.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 16, 2018 16:15:09 GMT
I'm stating that he is still in his day of rest. Ah, so he retired from the job. I guess that explains his "hands off" approach to managing the world. 1. He's not retired. 2. Who knew it was his job to be hands on with a universe of free thinkers.
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 16, 2018 16:19:01 GMT
Just jumping head first into the shallow end of the stupid pool... ain'tcha?... How do you jump 'head first'? Well... technically all jumps are head first. ![](https://s26.postimg.org/m8f14k0ih/yes.gif) I suppose I shoulda used the word "diving" ![](https://s26.postimg.org/py0f8ura1/sad.gif) You're a veritable pool creature, aren't you. Now, therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known a man by lying with him; but all the women-children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 16, 2018 16:25:21 GMT
FilmFlaneur This has always been a strange question to me considering it is so clearly in the view of what the person asking it would do. It's aking to asking why McDonald's puts so much salt on their fries. If McDonalds was omnipotent then you might have a point. It might be noted too that Ray Kroc's innovation with the fast food chain was chiefly a matter of time-and-motion efficiency. So to make the same comparison: a week to prepare a burger and fries when the meal could also be whistled up in 2 mins would be a poor, and inefficient choice. The observation that your deity can, presumably do exactly what it wants is a non-sequitur since the question was, and still is, why an all-powerful being would want to spin things out in the first place, not whether your deity might make a choice at all. Of course, a cynic might suggest that the two (or more) authors of Genesis made their narrative choices as they did at least partly to make a more impressive tale for their eager listeners. First off, by definition, your god's perspective would not be limited to just what could be seen on earth. Not only because your god can see everywhere but well, duh, there was no one around to see 'just on earth' yet. The heavens were created yes, bang on verse 1. But the illuminated heavens, i.e. the stars (sun) not until 13 verses later on, which is the point, rather. (And, come to that, how could the newly-created vegetation sprout and grow as required without photosynthesis (not least if one argues as a 'Day-Age Creationist?). So you use the moon to measure the time of day as morning? I see. So the periods described were just 'creative days' now, and not real ones? Are the mornings and evening described in Genesis also just 'creative ones' as they have no real light available to define them early on, too? The Special Pleading Department thanks you for the prompt postcard reply.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Mar 16, 2018 16:36:10 GMT
you're that type that never listens to sht. On the contrary, you would be surprised by the amount of ordure I have had to listen to here, notably from the devoutly-challenged. I guess asking obvious questions doesn't appeal to you much, then? Well you will have to check with a creationist like Cody for what a Genesis 'day' exactly represents. Creationist views can vary in a range from a 'day-age' idea through to a literal 24 hours. So ideas are not clear-cut (and often conveniently slippery) Cody's latest idea here is of a "creative day" ... which could be anything. An ad hominem is not an argument. But I forgive you. Quite possibly, but that still leaves the problem of the text describing mornings and evenings as well, each without a sun yet then to mark them by, either. I am afraid it hasn't. But thanks for the effort at creative and insulting hyperbole.
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Post by Vegas on Mar 16, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
Oh... It has... But, you must be that special kind of stupid that doesn't remember things as well.... Do you honestly think that this is the first time that we've discussed this subject? Asking stupid questions is still just stupid... and just boring. Nobody cares that you think that they should have had God made everything all at once.... It's a non-issue. The fact that you don't understand isn't anyone's problem but yours.
It's only a problem to the stupid.... Oh... Now, I see why you think it's a problem.
I don't care what creationists think. And thanks for the confirmation that you are too stupid to understand context... as there is a difference between the implication of "listening" and "hearing".
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Post by Isapop on Mar 16, 2018 17:31:25 GMT
Now THERE'S an assertion worth examining. And since I don't wish to be accused of mischaracterizing your view, let's be completely clear. You are saying that the EARTH was created NOT in that six creation day period, but that earth was created at some point BEFORE those six days even began. Correct?
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