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Post by permutojoe on Apr 4, 2018 2:31:05 GMT
I'd say medicating. Not that beating is any walk in the park, but come on, just do your job and raise them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 2:56:52 GMT
...or they could opt not to reproduce.
Everyone sticks their kids on medication for a hiccup now, without knowing long-term effects.
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 4, 2018 3:01:59 GMT
That would be ideal but damned if it isn't in the cards.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 6:28:26 GMT
Definitely beating them and parents who beat their children shouldn't be allowed to have children 'cause they are scum. Some medication can be harmful (there is no doubting that) but there are a lot that isn't and physical abuse from your parents can lead to years of emotional torment and some people never heal from it. 
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 4, 2018 13:14:01 GMT
Definitely beating them and parents who beat their children shouldn't be allowed to have children 'cause they are scum. Some medication can be harmful (there is no doubting that) but there are a lot that isn't and physical abuse from your parents can lead to years of emotional torment and some people never heal from it. Good points but I was talking about the type of medication that alters mood. |
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Post by deembastille on Apr 4, 2018 15:38:27 GMT
interesting. i am not at all for beating children but i am for disciplining them.
when you think about discipline the word originates from the bible's DISCIPLE. and what is a disciple? a follower [of Jesus or teacher]. so sometimes in order to get an unruly child to follow the right way, you have to give them something else the bible also sometimes likes: fear. you have to get these kids to behave themselves so they fear what will happen when they knowingly mess up.
there was a reason for all the: gee, Beave! dad's gonna clobber ya!
that had to come from somewhere.
now an unruly child has to be looked at as to WHY they are unruly. do they have shit friends they hang out with? are they not given enough [or any] positive or productive outlets [Tiger Shulmann's for example]? or could the problem lie with shit parents who are too into their own lives and want to be their kid's best friend? most unruly children are unruly due to lack of parenting, not lack of parental involvement: in fact, lack of PI is not a problem at all... parents are too involved but in the wrong way. no four year old should curse out a teacher and get a high five from their parents.
now some of the unruly children are unruly due to some underlying cause... ADHD where they have an attention 'problem' coupled with hyperactivity and they crave some sort of physical release from their pent up energy. some need medication but you should not walk out of your first dr's appointment with a rx. these things take time. let the natural things sink in before you lubricate them.
the issue with medication is that it needs to be handled a certain way. an ACTUAL NEUROLOGIST should prescribe the meds, not a pediatrician internist. A LICENCED CHILD PSYCHOLOGIST/PSYCHIATRIST should also be involved. do not use the school's psychologist if he or she does not have a DR in front of their names. also... once on the meds, parents should administer them DAILY [not only on the weekdays] and notice and report any major changes that are not for the better. also... the child should 'be in on this, too'. they should know that they have to make the effort to settle down. the med is not an on/off switch.
lastly: believe the teacher when the teacher reports anything that seems to be a new pattern or belligerent attitudes.
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Post by koskiewicz on Apr 4, 2018 19:16:57 GMT
...depends on the symptoms/behavior...
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Apr 4, 2018 20:29:41 GMT
Just say no to having children.
It is an incredibly selfish, self-centered act by the reproducers.
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Post by deembastille on Apr 4, 2018 22:25:15 GMT
Just say no to having children. It is an incredibly selfish, self-centered act by the reproducers. i have to tell you... i used to be pro life (i am for me but not anymore for the world) until i started teaching in the south Bronx. abortion should not only be legal everywhere but a requirement for most people living on the country's dime [for no legitimate reason]. these people who drink all day long, smoke weed among other things, shoot up drugs, don't take anything seriously, cheat the government, don't care about their kids until the opportunity arises to make money off of them [the new thing now is to push kids in front of traffic]. damn. these kids don't not deserve to be born but these parents don't deserve to be able to reproduce. anyone who is struggling to have children should move to the south Bronx. you'll get knocked up in no time! unfortunately... I think that poor baby Zymere perkins is better off where he is. putting a child in foster care might save the child's life but it might not save the child's psyche or soul. i have seen plenty of foster care kids go batshitcrazy on a continual basis. this life is not good for anyone involved. and now the poor foster parent is being looked at for 'what kind of psychological help is this child getting?' it's too convoluted a situation. abusive parenting sucks, foster care is a craps shoot. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Apr 4, 2018 22:37:53 GMT
Just say no to having children. It is an incredibly selfish, self-centered act by the reproducers. i have to tell you... i used to be pro life (i am for me but not anymore for the world) until i started teaching in the south Bronx. abortion should not only be legal everywhere but a requirement for most people living on the country's dime [for no legitimate reason]. these people who drink all day long, smoke weed among other things, shoot up drugs, don't take anything seriously, cheat the government, don't care about their kids until the opportunity arises to make money off of them [the new thing now is to push kids in front of traffic]. damn. these kids don't not deserve to be born but these parents don't deserve to be able to reproduce. anyone who is struggling to have children should move to the south Bronx. you'll get knocked up in no time! unfortunately... I think that poor baby Zymere perkins is better off where he is. putting a child in foster care might save the child's life but it might not save the child's psyche or soul. i have seen plenty of foster care kids go batshitcrazy on a continual basis. this life is not good for anyone involved. and now the poor foster parent is being looked at for 'what kind of psychological help is this child getting?' it's too convoluted a situation. abusive parenting sucks, foster care is a craps shoot. I agree with you. I grew up on East Harlem, with many people who had strong family ethics. But many others did not have these stromg family ethics. I saw so many of my fellow East Harlemites (I hesitate to call them my friends, though I did lose some real friends) die from overdoses or get jailed as kids (they came back from reform school as predators) because their parents just didn't care enough about them to take care of them. That was in the 50s and 60s. Things have gotten far worse since then. |
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Post by itsmagic on Apr 5, 2018 2:02:32 GMT
***** {{ trigger warning }} *****
i could tell you stories you would not believe. i grew up in a middle class neighborhood. but i was born into a very sick family.
virtually everyone around me was a raging violent alcoholic. there is NEVER an excuse for abuse -
whether it's emotional, physical, sexual or worse. it took me over 30 years to begin remembering the worst of it.
i put myself through college studying psychology. i ran support groups for abuse survivors of every kind.
many abuse survivors become alcoholics, drug addicts, criminals or abusers of themselves or others.
i swore, as most do, i would fight against this type of EVIL with every fiber of my being. that my children would never
endure the sort of things that were done to me. there is a difference between raising and instructing children with
love and respect versus the cruelty of a savage beating. my psychopath mother and the other violent
alcoholics had no conscience and felt no remorse because we were "things" to them - not a person or a child.
many of the people i grew up with who suffered similar circumstances are no longer with us - addictions or
alcoholism killed them. drunk driving accidents or suicide. my wife, a childhood abuse survivor, became an alcoholic
and committed suicide. i have spent a lifetime learning how to heal myself and trying to help others. talk to someone.
speak your truth
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Post by deembastille on Apr 5, 2018 3:58:56 GMT
What the hell sicko? What is wrong with you? who is sicko? what statement makes them sick in your eyes? don't judge. maybe they were beaten as a child. |
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Post by itsmagic on Apr 5, 2018 7:53:57 GMT
they are not hurting you because you are you but because they are what they are ( most is krishna das )
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Post by itsmagic on Apr 5, 2018 8:05:08 GMT
a mind at peace
a mind centered
and not focused on harming others
is stronger than any physical force in the universe
( wayne dyer )
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Post by ethelmertz on Apr 7, 2018 4:56:24 GMT
Having them in the first place.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 8, 2018 0:21:34 GMT
Beating, more for the psychological abuse and mental scarring.
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 10, 2018 10:45:36 GMT
depends... actual physical abuse is worse than medicating them but if you mean general discipline then obviously the over-medication is worse in that case since general discipline is a good thing. I am of the mindset the less medication the better for humanity in general. sure, I realize that some people do need it to function half way decently and that's fine but I feel many doctors are quick to pump people full of prescriptions drugs (especially when you start down that giving you one to fix one thing and then needing another to counter act the symptoms of another and so on) which can't be good for them, especially long term. with that said... sometimes physical contact is needed to correct kids from time-to-time (those who are outright against any physical contact... look at what people have been doing a long time (i.e. they had to get physical with their children here and there to keep them inline) and we all turned out okay). but nowadays it seems many parents let the kids run them instead of the other way around and that's not going to end well as it's just going to get more profound once they get to be teenagers and at that point your pretty much screwed since they will probably be more defiant than usual. but in all honesty... raising a kid in today's world would be more difficult than it used to be. but from what I have heard it seems a child's general formation happens at a early age (like say the first 5-7 years or something along those lines) so if that part of their life is out of whack, like if the parents are barely around etc(kids need that closeness with their parents at a early age), they are probably going to be that much worse as a teenager on forward. deembastilleI have heard someone say that kids with a lot of issues tend to be raised in daycare (like not around their parents much) tend to be out of whack (like I heard the school shooter types tend to have this in common) when they get older vs ones that are raised half way decently. I imagine that will probably be the case with foster care to given they where not raised properly so it's not that surprising they go off the rails to. it probably does not help when they have no purpose/guide in life and grow up around those bad neighborhoods as that crap is like a cancer for many. While I can see it's tempting to think that way given what you described. but at the end of the day they are still a human beings and abortion is just straight up immoral/evil in the eyes of God. so while I don't support abortion at all, I do think you made some general point in that some people 'seem' beyond redemption as they are trapped in that, what seems to be, a endless cycle of crime/drugs/sex etc. basically a life of sin, which won't end well. itsmagicDamn!  ; thank God you got out of that cycle of life and are helping others. I applaud you  them1ghtyhumphI hope your not actually serious. because giving life to others is not selfish at all. life is a good thing in general. I would even go as far as to say that, at least in some cases, that not having children is selfish because those couples who never have kids (for those who can have them) it just allows them to continue in their self centered way of living where as once one has kids, then the whole 'self' thing has to go on the back burner for the sake of the kids. also, to state the obvious... if no one had children then humanity would cease to exist. seems more likely the selfish thing to do is NOT to have children. NOTE: I am not saying everyone has to have kids, but that in general, having kids is not a selfish act but a act of love and takes discipline/self sacrifice on the parents part to raise that child half way decently. |
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Post by deembastille on Apr 10, 2018 11:10:24 GMT
mslo79Leave your God out of this. And you are mistaking foster care with daycare.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 10, 2018 15:28:19 GMT
Just say no to having children. It is an incredibly selfish, self-centered act by the reproducers. So is not having them. You do it out of a desire of more things for yourself: be it money, free time, etc. Don't pretend your some noble person for not having kids and looking down on others who do.. |
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Post by deembastille on Apr 10, 2018 19:26:40 GMT
Just say no to having children. It is an incredibly selfish, self-centered act by the reproducers. So is not having them. You do it out of a desire of more things for yourself: be it money, free time, etc. Don't pretend your some noble person for not having kids and looking down on others who do.. Some people are just not mentally equipped for having children. Joan Crawford wasn't and she should have taken God's hint. Farting out a kid or two doesn't make you automatically superior to those who chose not to or can not. The world is way overpopulated as it is! Hey mslo79, where's your precious God when His little children are getting beaten, raped and killed at the hands of these so called parents??? |
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