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Post by jammer81386 on Apr 4, 2018 23:20:36 GMT
There has been some disagreement in the Star Wars community on Snoke's origins, primarily around whether or not he is Darth Plagueis. Others have said that it doesn't matter who he is and that giving him an origin would only be a distraction from the main story. While I do somewhat agree with that, and I would have no problem with Snoke simply being Snoke, I still feel that his presence need some explanation. Unlike the previous two trilogies the Sequels trilogy is building off of events taking place prior to it. Thus there was a "status quo" that it had to deal with. And the status quo was that the Sith were at least thought to be exterminated after the deaths of Vader and Sidious in Return of the Jedi. Which leaves the question of where Snoke came from and how he acquired his force abilities.
Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII.
Any thoughts?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 4, 2018 23:31:42 GMT
Now everybody, have you heard, if you're in the game
Then Snoke's the word
Don't take no rhythm,
Don't take no style
Gotta thirst for killin',
Grab your vial uh
Put your right hand out, get the Force Awake
Talk to me about that one big break
Spread your Rebellion, both far and wide
Keep your lightsaber by your side and
Snoke me, snoke me
Could be a winner Rey you move mighty well
Snoke me, snoke me (snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
You got your number down
Snoke me, snoke me
Say you're a winner but Rey, you're just a Finner now
Put your left foot out, keep it all in place
Work your way right into space
First you try to bet me, you make my backbone slide
When you find you've bled me, slip on by, and
Snoke me, snoke me
Give me the reason this is all night long
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
Get yourself together boy
Snoke me, snoke me
Say you're a winner but Rey, you're just a Finner now
(Snoke, snoke, snoke, snoke, snoke, snoke, snoke)
Better listen now
Said it ain't no joke
Don't let your Force sense fail ya'
Just do the snoke
Don't ya' take no chances
Keep your eye on top
Do your fancy dances
You can't stop you just
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me (keep on)
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
(Snoke)
Snoke me, snoke me
Say you're a winner but Rey, you're just a Finner now
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Apr 5, 2018 5:57:37 GMT
All they were thinking when they made Snoke was Palpatine 2.0.
If they really wanted another powerful Dark Side User, than they should've do it like this. Before Palpatine died, it turned out that he had a bunch of Dark Side Adepts under his command, not quite full-Sith like him and Vader. And when he died, the Adepts went into hiding and bided their time and spent decades cultivating power. And then they decide to reveal themselves in the open.
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Post by azzajones on Apr 5, 2018 10:15:04 GMT
I certainly hope he wasn't Plagueis, so that Plagueis could still potentially appear in a later film.
Should probably make it Snoke was a surviving inquisitor.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 5, 2018 16:13:54 GMT
Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII. Any thoughts? Ordinarily I would agree. But with how quickly and easily they killed him off in TLJ I would have to say that there is absolutely no point now in going back and filling something out when it wont effect anything moving forward. Who cares now? He's dead. Same with Phasma.
All I can say is that Rian Johnson must have hated those characters and wanted to wipe them away. I don't get it.
And while we're on the subject, what happened to the Knights of Ren? Nothing. Nothing at all. Not even a mention. WTF?
I actually don't hold much hope for Episode 9. They got me though. I'll go see it. But I don't hold out much that it will be any better that what we've seen so far.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 5, 2018 16:16:38 GMT
I certainly hope he wasn't Plagueis, so that Plagueis could still potentially appear in a later film. Should probably make it Snoke was a surviving inquisitor. Agreed 100% |
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Apr 5, 2018 20:15:16 GMT
There has been some disagreement in the Star Wars community on Snoke's origins, primarily around whether or not he is Darth Plagueis. Others have said that it doesn't matter who he is and that giving him an origin would only be a distraction from the main story. While I do somewhat agree with that, and I would have no problem with Snoke simply being Snoke, I still feel that his presence need some explanation. Unlike the previous two trilogies the Sequels trilogy is building off of events taking place prior to it. Thus there was a "status quo" that it had to deal with. And the status quo was that the Sith were at least thought to be exterminated after the deaths of Vader and Sidious in Return of the Jedi. Which leaves the question of where Snoke came from and how he acquired his force abilities. Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII. Any thoughts? What would be the point of caring about who he is anymore? What would even be the point of doing any backstory? You don't wack off the second most relevant bad guy at the climax of the movie without ever giving any background on him! The guy who put together the organization no less. It doesn't matter anymore. Doing backstory on Snoke now would be like trying to sell wood to a lumberjack. Like trying to sell water to a fish in the ocean. Like trying to sell flipper hands to Admiral Ackbar. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 5, 2018 20:28:49 GMT
while using Plagueis as connective issue for the trilogies is a neat fandom-born idea, I still breath a sigh of relieve that the ST "writers" could not ruin the character.
The Plagueis legend means a lot to me as this movie made me a Star Wars fan.
The narrative is so impressive as it "ironically" foreshadows Palpatine own fate of saving Anakin from death, and in the end being killed by him (he could save other from death, but not himself). It's brilliant associative writing and a neat "He is your father" scene.
Some things better remained untouched.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 6, 2018 13:21:42 GMT
There has been some disagreement in the Star Wars community on Snoke's origins, primarily around whether or not he is Darth Plagueis. Others have said that it doesn't matter who he is and that giving him an origin would only be a distraction from the main story. While I do somewhat agree with that, and I would have no problem with Snoke simply being Snoke, I still feel that his presence need some explanation. Unlike the previous two trilogies the Sequels trilogy is building off of events taking place prior to it. Thus there was a "status quo" that it had to deal with. And the status quo was that the Sith were at least thought to be exterminated after the deaths of Vader and Sidious in Return of the Jedi. Which leaves the question of where Snoke came from and how he acquired his force abilities. Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII. Any thoughts? He's not Plagueis. If he was, they would have stated as much. I wouldn't mind knowing how he and Luke knew one another, but really, we know as much about him as we did about Palpatine in the OT. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 2:20:35 GMT
There has been some disagreement in the Star Wars community on Snoke's origins, primarily around whether or not he is Darth Plagueis. Others have said that it doesn't matter who he is and that giving him an origin would only be a distraction from the main story. While I do somewhat agree with that, and I would have no problem with Snoke simply being Snoke, I still feel that his presence need some explanation. Unlike the previous two trilogies the Sequels trilogy is building off of events taking place prior to it. Thus there was a "status quo" that it had to deal with. And the status quo was that the Sith were at least thought to be exterminated after the deaths of Vader and Sidious in Return of the Jedi. Which leaves the question of where Snoke came from and how he acquired his force abilities. Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII. Any thoughts? There was never going to be anything special about Snoke's origins and backstory because that's not the way writers like JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson think. They don't think like science fiction writers in the true sense of the word. They write with a mindset of "Wouldn't it be cool if..." and don't think beyond that in terms of development, particularly Abrams. They hired real sci-fi writers to write small fragments of backstory on Snoke in things like the visual dictionaries. But neither of them had intentions of doing anything with fleshing out Snoke onscreen. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 7, 2018 16:08:35 GMT
There has been some disagreement in the Star Wars community on Snoke's origins, primarily around whether or not he is Darth Plagueis. Others have said that it doesn't matter who he is and that giving him an origin would only be a distraction from the main story. While I do somewhat agree with that, and I would have no problem with Snoke simply being Snoke, I still feel that his presence need some explanation. Unlike the previous two trilogies the Sequels trilogy is building off of events taking place prior to it. Thus there was a "status quo" that it had to deal with. And the status quo was that the Sith were at least thought to be exterminated after the deaths of Vader and Sidious in Return of the Jedi. Which leaves the question of where Snoke came from and how he acquired his force abilities. Whether or not he is Plagueis is not a huge concern for me at the moment, but I still feel that a little backstory to the character would be helpful. I don't need it to be anything grandiose just something to help bridge the gap between episodes IV and VII. Any thoughts? He's not Plagueis. If he was, they would have stated as much. I wouldn't mind knowing how he and Luke knew one another, b ut really, we know as much about him as we did about Palpatine in the OT. So? This just does not work for Snoke or for the thinking part of the audience. The difference is that Snoke does not really fit into the set up narrative of the Saga film: If he is such a powerful Dark Sider who copies the Empire designs, uniforms and ships to the T, where was he in the OT. A Sith - rule of 2. A Jedi? We know that can't be. Snoke does not fit, they pulled him out of their lazy ass just copying Palpatine. So you must come up with something to clean up the mess. Try again. |
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