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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 7, 2018 16:06:57 GMT
Reason #1) The Force Awakens (worldwide box office): $2 billion
Reason #2) Rogue One (worldwide box office): $1 billion
Reason #3) The Last Jedi (worldwide box office): $1.3 billion
Reason #4) Solo (projected domestic opening weekend): $150 million
After Solo's run she will have made Disney $5-$5.5 billion in box office receipts alone (plus home market and merchandising). But yeah, I'm sure a bunch of people sending death threats on Twitter and calling the series "SJW Wars" in YouTube comments is gonna totally convince them to fire her.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 9, 2018 9:11:07 GMT
yeah, but it's a little more complex than that.
The last one did fine but performed below expectations. But that is not what concerns them so much. The Star Wars toys don't sell anymore, and if you know anything about this business, the toys & merchandize are where the sustainable money streams come from.
Let's not discuss the chaotic managment with reshoots, internal disputes and 3 de facto director changes during/after principal photography. Or the games disaster with EA.
All leading to a rather toxic fanbase climate, which does not bear well for future projects.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 11, 2018 17:14:38 GMT
Well...when you put it that way...
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 12, 2018 6:14:42 GMT
yeah, but it's a little more complex than that. The last one did fine but performed below expectations. But that is not what concerns them so much. The Star Wars toys don't sell anymore, and if you know anything about this business, the toys & merchandize are where the sustainable money streams come from. Let's not discuss the chaotic managment with reshoots, internal disputes and 3 de facto director changes during/after principal photography. Or the games disaster with EA. All leading to a rather toxic fanbase climate, which does not bear well for future projects. Well said. You nailed every point. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Apr 12, 2018 15:34:03 GMT
I am sure you quality checked and rechecked your argument as much as your thread headline.
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Post by thenewnexus on Apr 14, 2018 22:47:01 GMT
Shes the new michael bay and kevin feige? Money over quality
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 21, 2018 15:36:37 GMT
Reason #1) The Force Awakens (worldwide box office): $2 billion Reason #2) Rogue One (worldwide box office): $1 billion Reason #3) The Last Jedi (worldwide box office): $1.3 billion Reason #4) Solo (projected domestic opening weekend): $150 million After Solo's run she will have made Disney $5-$5.5 billion in box office receipts alone (plus home market and merchandising). But yeah, I'm sure a bunch of people sending death threats on Twitter and calling the series "SJW Wars" in YouTube comments is gonna totally convince them to fire her. ^^^THIS!!!!!^^^ Disney paid 4 billion for SW/Lucasfilm. They've ALREADY made back their money on just the 1st three movies alone, and we're only at the TIP of the ice berg. By the end of the decade they could be at ten billion. TEN BILLION!!! Its the best deal in Hollywood history! Kennedy's not going anywhere!
$5-$5.5 billion in box office receipts so far
So that's actually 5.5 billion reasons why she wont be fired.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 21, 2018 15:47:22 GMT
yeah, but it's a little more complex than that. The last one did fine but performed below expectations. But that is not what concerns them so much. The Star Wars toys don't sell anymore, and if you know anything about this business, the toys & merchandize are where the sustainable money streams come from. Let's not discuss the chaotic managment with reshoots, internal disputes and 3 de facto director changes during/after principal photography. Or the games disaster with EA. All leading to a rather toxic fanbase climate, which does not bear well for future projects. The last one did fine but performed below expectations.
No it didn't. No movie that makes a billion dollars alone is below expectations. You're basing that on the fact that TFA made 2 billion. What happened there is that TFA OVER performed (like Black Panther is over performing now), not that TLJ under performed. Where in the universe is making 1.3 billion and UNDER performance.
Star Wars toys don't sell anymore
Nonsense. They're at every major outlet, and I personally know kids that are still gobbling them up. Lots of grown men too. I'm one. It had a greater heyday, I'll admit, but they're still doing gangbusters.
chaotic managment, reshoots, internal disputes, 3 de facto director changes during/after principal photography, the games disaster with EA, and toxic fanbase climate
None of which prevented 3 movies from making 4 billion dollars. 4 BILLION!!! That's one heck of a lot of toxicity.
What I'm sensing in your response is a "unless its doing the most money in the world its not good anymore" mentality. Which is ridiculous. That may happen one day, but we're not there yet. No where near. SW is very much alive and well as of yet.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 21, 2018 15:48:29 GMT
yeah, but it's a little more complex than that. The last one did fine but performed below expectations. But that is not what concerns them so much. The Star Wars toys don't sell anymore, and if you know anything about this business, the toys & merchandize are where the sustainable money streams come from. Let's not discuss the chaotic managment with reshoots, internal disputes and 3 de facto director changes during/after principal photography. Or the games disaster with EA. All leading to a rather toxic fanbase climate, which does not bear well for future projects. Well said. You nailed every point. No he didn't. I destroyed all his points in another response. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 21, 2018 15:59:22 GMT
Reason 5) Disney can subsidize its movie division with money from other sectors until the end of time.
Think of it as a rich man hobby. A wealthy prince has the money to finance his painting-and no matter how terrible it is, he can afford to put it into galleries and pay people to gush over it.
The Last Jedi got a bad fan reaction and they do not care. So they do not need to think about audiences at all.
Or, they apparently will make money from people in Indonesia. If that is the case, then it means domestic markets dont matter anymore.
And we were told last year was the worst box office for Hollywood since 1992. Where's the panic?
Apparently everything is cool, people love movies so much there is a lunatic fringe posting fake negative reviews without even being paid (like corporate shills who would be paid to write positive reviews).
Kennedy's job is safe. She wasnt appointed for creative control, but to be the political figurehead for Disney's ideological shenanigans.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 21, 2018 16:28:18 GMT
Reason 5) Disney can subsidize its movie division with money from other sectors until the end of time. Think of it as a rich man hobby. A wealthy prince has the money to finance his painting-and no matter how terrible it is, he can afford to put it into galleries and pay people to gush over it. The Last Jedi got a bad fan reaction and they do not care. So they do not need to think about audiences at all. Or, they apparently will make money from people in Indonesia. If that is the case, then it means domestic markets dont matter anymore. And we were told last year was the worst box office for Hollywood since 1992. Where's the panic? Apparently everything is cool, people love movies so much there is a lunatic fringe posting fake negative reviews without even being paid (like corporate shills who would be paid to write positive reviews). Kennedy's job is safe. She wasnt appointed for creative control, but to be the political figurehead for Disney's ideological shenanigans.
Yep. ETA: and, from what I gather, to assist Disney in swindling/tricking Lucas into selling them Star Wars. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 22, 2018 6:13:58 GMT
Well said. You nailed every point. No he didn't. I destroyed all his points in another response. Hmm?... I question your claim that you destroyed all of them. I'm going to take the easiest one first: (1) the EA games disaster! This is true. When Kay Kay took over she shut down LucasArts video games. The company was sporadic at times - but nonetheless they sustained a relatively thriving market for SW video games. Kathleen closed it down and contracted out SW video games to EA Games/EA Sports; a company that has much mainstream success but mostly in sports... and no track record in the genre of sci-fi/sci-fantasy. They have only put out 2 retread games in 5 years. (2) Production problems: this is just a fact... Massive reshoots on Rogue One, possibly as much as 40%. Lord & Miller fired on the Han Solo anthology film after completing at least 80% of it. Massive reshoots likely to be more than the amount in Rogue One. Firing multiple directors in multiple movies. Firing multiple writers in multiple movies. Fallouts between Kennedy and directors and writers and actors... (3) Underperforming at the box office: For TLJ this is true. You have to tread carefully here. Underperforming and box office failure are not necessarily synonymous. And that's true in this case. But Disney was expecting a floor of about 1.5 billion, with a ceiling of likely 1.75 to 1.8 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion. I noticed you compared it to Black Panther's box office (which is only 10 - 15 million behind it). But expectations for Black Panther's box office was only about 3/4 (.75) billion. (4) Star Wars toys don't sell anymore: that be an over-generalization to put it in those terms, but statistics are showing that SW toy sales have declined. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Apr 22, 2018 15:13:25 GMT
No he didn't. I destroyed all his points in another response. Hmm?... I question your claim that you destroyed all of them. I'm going to take the easiest one first: (1) the EA games disaster! This is true. When Kay Kay took over she shut down LucasArts video games. The company was sporadic at times - but nonetheless they sustained a relatively thriving market for SW video games. Kathleen closed it down and contracted out SW video games to EA Games/EA Sports; a company that has much mainstream success but mostly in sports... and no track record in the genre of sci-fi/sci-fantasy. They have only put out 2 retread games in 5 years. (2) Production problems: this is just a fact... Massive reshoots on Rogue One, possibly as much as 40%. Lord & Miller fired on the Han Solo anthology film after completing at least 80% of it. Massive reshoots likely to be more than the amount in Rogue One. Firing multiple directors in multiple movies. Firing multiple writers in multiple movies. Fallouts between Kennedy and directors and writers and actors... (3) Underperforming at the box office: For TLJ this is true. You have to tread carefully here. Underperforming and box office failure are not necessarily synonymous. And that's true in this case. But Disney was expecting a floor of about 1.5 billion, with a ceiling of likely 1.75 to 1.8 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion. I noticed you compared it to Black Panther's box office (which is only 10 - 15 million behind it). But expectations for Black Panther's box office was only about 3/4 (.75) billion. (4) Star Wars toys don't sell anymore: that be an over-generalization to put it in those terms, but statistics are showing that SW toy sales have declined. My esteemed colleague, you're being too kind. (1) EA has been a fucking disaster. The most recent game, Battlefront II, was the subject of mass boycotts and ridiculously negative press to the point that the company's stock lost THREE BILLION DOLLARS in value. Source: www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/ea-loses-3b-in-stock-value-in-wake-of-star-wars-loot-boxes-w512796Now, to be fair, this wasn't so much because of direct decisions by KK, but it does -- as Waxer notes -- still fall at her feet as the head honcho. Lucas was pretty good about quality control and never, as best I can remember, engendered the type of resentment among consumers as this lootbox shit did. (2) Not a ton to add here except that there's been production problems on every one of the projects KK has overseen (writing/TFA; reshoots/Rogue; reshoots and directors fired/Solo; director fired/Episode IX) save for one: The Last Jedi, and that was... not universally beloved. (3) Which brings us to the box office, which Waxer nailed. I keep hearing about how it's the "number 9 box office gross of all-time," which surely isn't adjusted for inflation, but -- regardless: it also had the steepest second week drop-off of any Star Wars movie and the worst audience retention rate, worse than any of the prequels or originals or even the other Disney flicks. Source: www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/#6c98c5c73277(4) And the toy thing was widely reported a few months back as well. Source: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/-star-wars-toy-sales-fall-in-2017-as-movie-tie-fatigue-sets-inSo, there's four reasons to fire her.  |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 26, 2018 0:07:34 GMT
Hmm?... I question your claim that you destroyed all of them. I'm going to take the easiest one first: (1) the EA games disaster! This is true. When Kay Kay took over she shut down LucasArts video games. The company was sporadic at times - but nonetheless they sustained a relatively thriving market for SW video games. Kathleen closed it down and contracted out SW video games to EA Games/EA Sports; a company that has much mainstream success but mostly in sports... and no track record in the genre of sci-fi/sci-fantasy. They have only put out 2 retread games in 5 years. (2) Production problems: this is just a fact... Massive reshoots on Rogue One, possibly as much as 40%. Lord & Miller fired on the Han Solo anthology film after completing at least 80% of it. Massive reshoots likely to be more than the amount in Rogue One. Firing multiple directors in multiple movies. Firing multiple writers in multiple movies. Fallouts between Kennedy and directors and writers and actors... (3) Underperforming at the box office: For TLJ this is true. You have to tread carefully here. Underperforming and box office failure are not necessarily synonymous. And that's true in this case. But Disney was expecting a floor of about 1.5 billion, with a ceiling of likely 1.75 to 1.8 billion. TLJ made 1.3 billion. I noticed you compared it to Black Panther's box office (which is only 10 - 15 million behind it). But expectations for Black Panther's box office was only about 3/4 (.75) billion. (4) Star Wars toys don't sell anymore: that be an over-generalization to put it in those terms, but statistics are showing that SW toy sales have declined. My esteemed colleague, you're being too kind. (1) EA has been a fucking disaster. The most recent game, Battlefront II, was the subject of mass boycotts and ridiculously negative press to the point that the company's stock lost THREE BILLION DOLLARS in value. Source: www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/ea-loses-3b-in-stock-value-in-wake-of-star-wars-loot-boxes-w512796Now, to be fair, this wasn't so much because of direct decisions by KK, but it does -- as Waxer notes -- still fall at her feet as the head honcho. Lucas was pretty good about quality control and never, as best I can remember, engendered the type of resentment among consumers as this lootbox shit did. (2) Not a ton to add here except that there's been production problems on every one of the projects KK has overseen (writing/TFA; reshoots/Rogue; reshoots and directors fired/Solo; director fired/Episode IX) save for one: The Last Jedi, and that was... not universally beloved. (3) Which brings us to the box office, which Waxer nailed. I keep hearing about how it's the "number 9 box office gross of all-time," which surely isn't adjusted for inflation, but -- regardless: it also had the steepest second week drop-off of any Star Wars movie and the worst audience retention rate, worse than any of the prequels or originals or even the other Disney flicks. Source: www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/12/22/last-jedi-daily-grosses-are-swiftly-collapsing-the-worst-holds-of-all-9-star-wars-movies/#6c98c5c73277(4) And the toy thing was widely reported a few months back as well. Source: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/-star-wars-toy-sales-fall-in-2017-as-movie-tie-fatigue-sets-inSo, there's four reasons to fire her. Well said! Very well said. You thoroughly elaborated on all of those points. And you backed it up with reference material. What an awful decision by EA Games! Just a horrible handling of the video game market. In addition to that, the first SW Battlefront received mixed reviews from critics and a mixed response from purchasers. Both games rely heavily on content taken from the OT. And they're reboots of the original SW Battlefront series. And there's been one crossover game: Lego Star Wars - The Force Awakens. That one also filled out some of it's content with ROTJ. We've already had 3 SW films (and a fourth fastly approaching), but this is all that Kay Kay's choice can muster!... And there have been no games with Rogue One content. There are no future games that have even gotten past the earliest of planning stages. By contrast, LucasArts and other subcontracted game makers put out a plethora of games during the prequel era. Not one game solely based off of the sequel trilogy movies! And isn't the sequel trilogy supposed to be a more entertaining, more imaginative trilogy with better characters!?! LOL! |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 26, 2018 1:10:47 GMT
Reason #1) The Force Awakens (worldwide box office): $2 billion Reason #2) Rogue One (worldwide box office): $1 billion Reason #3) The Last Jedi (worldwide box office): $1.3 billion Reason #4) Solo (projected domestic opening weekend): $150 million
After Solo's run she will have made Disney $5-$5.5 billion in box office receipts alone (plus home market and merchandising). But yeah, I'm sure a bunch of people sending death threats on Twitter and calling the series "SJW Wars" in YouTube comments is gonna totally convince them to fire her. Yeah... we all know that you can include projected figures as facts!  So... the 'Black Panther' movie was projected to make 'Guardians of the Galaxy' type money - (somewhere between GotG and 'Ant Man' at the box office). That means between $600 million and $800 million... HOLY CRAP! That means there's 5 or 6 hundred million dollars of box office that movie can't claim!! I'm getting in line for my cut! |
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