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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 2, 2018 17:53:24 GMT
From what I read from you you should really brush up your education. Considering the way you butchered that sentence, I think that's what the educated call "irony". I don't think these characters are or should be defined by 40 year old movies. You could also reference the kills of Keaton's Batman, and I'd still feel the same way about Bat-Punisher in BvS. But while we're on the subject, maybe you should check out the TV and Donner cuts of Superman II. I'm afraid Snyder, in the infinite cuts of his movies, only has one Zod ending for Man of Steel. Are we really still complaining about Superman killing Zod in MoS? The movie made it pretty clear that he had no other option, and it’s not like he was happy about it. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 18:28:40 GMT
Considering the way you butchered that sentence, I think that's what the educated call "irony". I don't think these characters are or should be defined by 40 year old movies. You could also reference the kills of Keaton's Batman, and I'd still feel the same way about Bat-Punisher in BvS. But while we're on the subject, maybe you should check out the TV and Donner cuts of Superman II. I'm afraid Snyder, in the infinite cuts of his movies, only has one Zod ending for Man of Steel. Are we really still complaining about Superman killing Zod in MoS? The movie made it pretty clear that he had no other option, and it’s not like he was happy about it. Like flying up? Blocking his eyes? How about never writing such a contrived catch 22 in the first place when Zod and Superman just spent 20 minutes levelling the city only for everything to come to stand still over like 3 people? And don't complain about the "complaining" when you and Jedan are the ones desperately pushing for a debate with someone who, mind you, was merely saying they've grown to like this Superman. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 2, 2018 18:35:49 GMT
Are we really still complaining about Superman killing Zod in MoS? The movie made it pretty clear that he had no other option, and it’s not like he was happy about it. Like flying up? Blocking his eyes? How about never writing such a contrived catch 22 in the first place when Zod and Superman just spent 20 minutes levelling the city only for everything to come to stand still over like 3 people? And don't complain about the "complaining" when you and Jedan are the ones desperately pushing for a debate with someone who, mind you, was merely saying they've grown to like this Superman. So tell me, after Superman flied up or blocked his eyes, what happens next? Zod would’ve just given up on trying to kill all of humanity? Also, when the fuck have I been “desperately pushing for a debate” with anyone? I was responding to a single comment you made. How the fuck is that “desperately pushing for a debate”? |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 19:32:04 GMT
Like flying up? Blocking his eyes? How about never writing such a contrived catch 22 in the first place when Zod and Superman just spent 20 minutes levelling the city only for everything to come to stand still over like 3 people? And don't complain about the "complaining" when you and Jedan are the ones desperately pushing for a debate with someone who, mind you, was merely saying they've grown to like this Superman. So tell me, after Superman flied up or blocked his eyes, what happens next? Zod would’ve just given up on trying to kill all of humanity? Also, when the fuck have I been “desperately pushing for a debate” with anyone? I was responding to a single comment you made. How the fuck is that “desperately pushing for a debate”? Blocking his eyes mid-laser blast probably would have blinded him. Can't kill all of humanity too good if you can't see. Fuck fuck fuckity fuckoo fuck. I'm saying if you're as over people "complaining" about the scene as you implied, then kindly peace the fuck out. Don't get on some high horse like I'm dredging up old shit when I'm the one being put on the defensive. I used the past as an example of why I like the present, thus there is no reason to argue with or debate me about the past unless you really, really want to. |
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Post by James on Dec 2, 2018 19:58:05 GMT
Doesn't matter to me. It would be cool, but it won't really add much.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 2, 2018 20:11:59 GMT
So tell me, after Superman flied up or blocked his eyes, what happens next? Zod would’ve just given up on trying to kill all of humanity? Also, when the fuck have I been “desperately pushing for a debate” with anyone? I was responding to a single comment you made. How the fuck is that “desperately pushing for a debate”? Blocking his eyes mid-laser blast probably would have blinded him. Can't kill all of humanity too good if you can't see. Fuck fuck fuckity fuckoo fuck. I'm saying if you're as over people "complaining" about the scene as you implied, then kindly peace the fuck out. Don't get on some high horse like I'm dredging up old shit when I'm the one being put on the defensive. I used the past as an example of why I like the present, thus there is no reason to argue with or debate me about the past unless you really, really want to. How do you know it would’ve blinded him? Plus, even if he was blinded, it doesn’t seem like that would prevent him from causing serious damage. The only other solution would’ve been to cripple Zod, thus leaving him to die a slow and agonizing death, since there’s no chance in hell that any of the world governments would’ve kept him alive. It’s not like Superman could just contact the Green Lantern Corps and have them take care of Zod. I also fail to see how I’m getting on any kind of high horse. I simply saw you make a statement, so I responded to it. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a troll. I never accused you of not liking the present or anything like that. I was simply addressing an old talking point that people who hated MOS used to go with before BvS made it much easier to bash Snyder’s version of the character. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 21:38:01 GMT
Blocking his eyes mid-laser blast probably would have blinded him. Can't kill all of humanity too good if you can't see. Fuck fuck fuckity fuckoo fuck. I'm saying if you're as over people "complaining" about the scene as you implied, then kindly peace the fuck out. Don't get on some high horse like I'm dredging up old shit when I'm the one being put on the defensive. I used the past as an example of why I like the present, thus there is no reason to argue with or debate me about the past unless you really, really want to. How do you know it would’ve blinded him? Plus, even if he was blinded, it doesn’t seem like that would prevent him from causing serious damage. The only other solution would’ve been to cripple Zod, thus leaving him to die a slow and agonizing death, since there’s no chance in hell that any of the world governments would’ve kept him alive. It’s not like Superman could just contact the Green Lantern Corps and have them take care of Zod. I also fail to see how I’m getting on any kind of high horse. I simply saw you make a statement, so I responded to it. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a troll. I never accused you of not liking the present or anything like that. I was simply addressing an old talking point that people who hated MOS used to go with before BvS made it much easier to bash Snyder’s version of the character. It's worked on Darkseid before, so I don't see why not. I did say "probably" to hedge my bets, though. Arter crippling him, in that way or another, Superman would have the leverage to drag his ass to the next inhabital galaxy. Or, you know, they could have just written the film in a different way so it didn't come down to such a divisive ultimatum. Well, I could have called him a hypocritical, self-pitying quasi-mute with nihilistic tendencies in honor of BvS, but the point of the MoS reference was to highlight the favorable change he's undergone between then and now. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 2, 2018 21:53:40 GMT
How do you know it would’ve blinded him? Plus, even if he was blinded, it doesn’t seem like that would prevent him from causing serious damage. The only other solution would’ve been to cripple Zod, thus leaving him to die a slow and agonizing death, since there’s no chance in hell that any of the world governments would’ve kept him alive. It’s not like Superman could just contact the Green Lantern Corps and have them take care of Zod. I also fail to see how I’m getting on any kind of high horse. I simply saw you make a statement, so I responded to it. I wasn’t trying to accuse you of being a troll. I never accused you of not liking the present or anything like that. I was simply addressing an old talking point that people who hated MOS used to go with before BvS made it much easier to bash Snyder’s version of the character. It's worked on Darkseid before, so I don't see why not. I did say "probably" to hedge my bets, though. Arter crippling him, in that way or another, Superman would have the leverage to drag his ass to the next inhabital galaxy. Or, you know, they could have just written the film in a different way so it didn't come down to such a divisive ultimatum. Well, I could have called him a hypocritical, self-pitying quasi-mute with nihilistic tendencies in honor of BvS, but the point of the MoS reference was to highlight the favorable change he's undergone between then and now. Crippling Zod, only to leave him alone on an uninhabited planet so that he could die a slow and agonizing death? That doesn’t seem much better than straight up snapping his neck. If Superman was able to contact the Green Lantern Corps so that they could deal with Zod, then I would agree that killing him would’ve been completely unnecessary, but as of now, Superman doesn’t even know what a Green Lantern is. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 22:44:02 GMT
It's worked on Darkseid before, so I don't see why not. I did say "probably" to hedge my bets, though. Arter crippling him, in that way or another, Superman would have the leverage to drag his ass to the next inhabital galaxy. Or, you know, they could have just written the film in a different way so it didn't come down to such a divisive ultimatum. Well, I could have called him a hypocritical, self-pitying quasi-mute with nihilistic tendencies in honor of BvS, but the point of the MoS reference was to highlight the favorable change he's undergone between then and now. Crippling Zod, only to leave him alone on an uninhabited planet so that he could die a slow and agonizing death? That doesn’t seem much better than straight up snapping his neck. If Superman was able to contact the Green Lantern Corps so that they could deal with Zod, then I would agree that killing him would’ve been completely unnecessary, but as of now, Superman doesn’t even know what a Green Lantern is. I literally said inhabital. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 2, 2018 23:52:36 GMT
Crippling Zod, only to leave him alone on an uninhabited planet so that he could die a slow and agonizing death? That doesn’t seem much better than straight up snapping his neck. If Superman was able to contact the Green Lantern Corps so that they could deal with Zod, then I would agree that killing him would’ve been completely unnecessary, but as of now, Superman doesn’t even know what a Green Lantern is. I literally said inhabital. You mean “inhabitable”? My mistake. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 2, 2018 23:59:40 GMT
I literally said inhabital. You mean “inhabitable”? My mistake. Yes, that's what I mean. Apparently my phone has other ideas. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Dec 3, 2018 10:53:47 GMT
All that "Snider's Superman is Ayn Rand character" drivel (including the absurd "he could have used his hands to block Zod beams" claim) comes from an uninformed Snider hate-article people like to senslessly parrot.
To bring some enlightenment:
1. Snyder's Superman is clearly not in line with Rand-ian hero ideals (which de facto corresponds with Nietsche's Übermensch concept): This is because Snyder's SM/Clark is blatantly tormenting himself with his self-imposed DUTY to help others (without asking reward); sldo bc of his conflict of heeding his father's advise that using his powers could make matters worse - which he finally resolved by splitting up into Superman and becoming an idealistic reporter. An argument could be made that the Superman II movie character was Rand-ian - as he selfishly gives up his SM-vocation for love and needlessly mursers people. But even here it's nonsensical a claim.
2. The "snapping Zod's neck" argument is as as clumsy as it is stupid. In the much beloved SM II classic Supes (and Lois) murder the humanized and helpless Zod (and friends) by sadistically crushing his hand (smiling) and then killing him - multiple murder in the fortress of solitude. Snyder's solution on the other hand would legally not even constitute murder as Supes kills a murderer to prevent him from killing a familiy. Zod was literally "too dangerous to be kept alive" and there was no other way without endangering millions, Zod was a venegeful rabid dog begging to be put down. The irony of it is that this failed anti-MoS argument also ignores the (legacy/culture) point and character development that these actions involve.
In the end, these arguments reveal much more about the person making them than about the subject they are defaming.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 3, 2018 14:48:30 GMT
Not unless its going to be Henry Cavill
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