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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 21:35:48 GMT
Please show your workings? Genocidal god spanks one of his angels who has the temerity to question him... Sounds like a freedom fighter to me? |
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 14, 2017 21:39:29 GMT
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Post by blade on Mar 14, 2017 21:54:55 GMT
Could Satan actually be the good guy?
That's like asking if Rabbit really isn't fat or doesn't actually live in his mother's basement. 
The answer is no. |
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Post by Nostalgias4Geeks🌈 on Mar 15, 2017 5:47:32 GMT
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Post by cupcakes on Mar 15, 2017 14:54:41 GMT
tpfkar  Glamour kitten, go have a whisper-ma-phone conversation with Ada, your twin in twisted fantasy. It might calm you a bit. God thinks you're an idiot |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 15, 2017 15:01:41 GMT
Keep in mind that I have no religion.. but if we were to assume that God / Satan exists, how do we really know who's the good guy and who's the bad guy? Lets see..
From what we know the Bible is allegedly the word of God. He's pretty much telling the story. We also know that within the text there's a lot of violence (especially in the old testament). Much of it is either committed by God himself or done in his name and/or on his command. There are many examples of God's wrath in both the old and new testament, which includes drowning people, burning them to death, killing children, feeding "sinners" to lions, sending down illnesses and plagues, ordering rapes, etc.
On the opposite side of the spectrum however, we know very little about Satan. About the only thing we really know is that that A) he was a fallen angel, and B) he's evil. I think if you were to look through the entire bible, you would find very few instances where satan himself actually harms anyone. If anything, I'd say he seems to encourage free will and critical thinking (that's good, right?).
So if we take the Bible for what it claims to be, which is the word of God, isn't it all just a bit one sided? Isn't it like taking a statement from one individual but not the other? If any of it's true, why are we to believe God is honest?
How do we really know that Satan is the bad guy? Maybe it's God who's the asshole and Satan is the hero fighting for individuality and free thought?
Ehh?1?!11 Not that I believe any of this crap, but sure, who's to say the satan character didn't just get tired of god's completely inept running of things where he punishes people for finite crimes like simply not believing, and encourages war and murder. The entire god idea is so silly, I don't see how it's any less reasonable to say the satan character was trying to save us from this maniac. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 15, 2017 16:29:52 GMT
There's actually a pretty robust history in art and literature of Satan being rethought as either a hero or anti-hero. EG, William Blake interpreted Satan as the same spirit of emotion and rebellion that drove people to rise up and overthrow corrupt governments: he saw both the French and American revolutions as "Satan's Work," in which "God" was synonymous with authoritarian governments. John Milton infamously portrayed Satan as a kind of hero in Paradise Lost while attempting to "explain the ways of God to man." Much text has been poured forth in an attempt to explain why the very-religious Milton created that representation. Even in film, Carl Dreyer's Leaves from Satan's Book depicts Satan as a good guy whose "temptations" are really about trying to find someone capable of resisting them.
It's worth noting that many artistic depictions of Satan derive from the pagan god Pan, who was associated with nature, instinct, and sexuality. In Blake's mythology, he believed the reason Satan was cast as a "villain" in Christianity was precisely because it was the natural instincts/emotions of man that religion attempted to control by, well, vilifying them. The idea being that if you can get people to suppress their instincts/emotions then you can control them in general, and that such was necessary for the formation of functional/lawful societies.
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Post by general313 on Mar 15, 2017 17:33:31 GMT
There's actually a pretty robust history in art and literature of Satan being rethought as either a hero or anti-hero. EG, William Blake interpreted Satan as the same spirit of emotion and rebellion that drove people to rise up and overthrow corrupt governments: he saw both the French and American revolutions as "Satan's Work," in which "God" was synonymous with authoritarian governments. John Milton infamously portrayed Satan as a kind of hero in Paradise Lost while attempting to "explain the ways of God to man." Much text has been poured forth in an attempt to explain why the very-religious Milton created that representation. Even in film, Carl Dreyer's Leaves from Satan's Book depicts Satan as a good guy whose "temptations" are really about trying to find someone capable of resisting them. It's worth noting that many artistic depictions of Satan derive from the pagan god Pan, who was associated with nature, instinct, and sexuality. In Blake's mythology, he believed the reason Satan was cast as a "villain" in Christianity was precisely because it was the natural instincts/emotions of man that religion attempted to control by, well, vilifying them. The idea being that if you can get people to suppress their instincts/emotions then you can control them in general, and that such was necessary for the formation of functional/lawful societies. That reminds me of Mark Twain's The Mysterious Stranger, where a nephew of the devil (by the name of Satan) visits a medieval village in Austria and tries to help out. Instead of being evil, Satan's family is somewhat coolly detached and indifferent to the plight of humans, but well meaning. It also delves into determinism and free will. |
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