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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 19, 2018 1:27:20 GMT
Whether it be politically, morally, religious, or whatever reason.
Triumph of the Will and Forrest Gump immediately comes to mind.
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 19, 2018 1:38:29 GMT
What is there to disagree with in Forrest Gump? Not saying there weren't life's lessons but from what I recall it all seemed pretty simple and basic stuff.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 19, 2018 1:41:54 GMT
What is there to disagree with in Forrest Gump? Not saying there weren't life's lessons but from what I recall it all seemed pretty simple and basic stuff. Not to say I don't like. I think it's quite good - Forrest stumbles into many major American events and great fortune and fame all the while naïve to what's really going on. The American dream? |
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Post by bravomailer on Apr 19, 2018 1:47:40 GMT
Dirty Harry does not express my views on proper law enforcement but it's a very good movie.
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Post by permutojoe on Apr 19, 2018 2:09:28 GMT
What is there to disagree with in Forrest Gump? Not saying there weren't life's lessons but from what I recall it all seemed pretty simple and basic stuff. Not to say I don't like. I think it's quite good - Forrest stumbles into many major American events and great fortune and fame all the while naïve to what's really going on. The American dream? Fair enough. To answer the OP question, first thing that comes to mind is any type of propaganda film that glorifies war or demonizes those we have fought. |
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 19, 2018 2:21:40 GMT
If you hold somebody captive in your house and show them kindness they will fall in love with you. That didn't work with Karen Gillan. |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 19, 2018 2:55:58 GMT
Gods Not Dead - Anyone who is not a Christian is a bad person with no morals.
War Room - You should not stay in a toxic relationship.
Loving the Bad Man - Rape is not a beautiful thing.
Rock: It's Your Decision - Rock music is not evil.
Too Saved - Winning the lottery is not bad.
Saving Christmas - Doing good thing for people is a good thing.
Audacity - Gay people are not horrible.
Accidental Activist - Bigotry and prejudice are not a positive thing.
The Lock In - Nude pics are not demonic.
An American Carol - Being Conservitive does not solve everything.
A Matter of Faith - The whole movie I disagree with.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 19, 2018 3:10:24 GMT
Gods Not Dead - Anyone who is not a Christian is a bad person with no morals. War Room - You should not stay in a toxic relationship. Loving the Bad Man - Rape is not a beautiful thing.Rock: It's Your Decision - Rock music is not evil. Too Saved - Winning the lottery is not bad. Saving Christmas - Doing good thing for people is a good thing. Audacity - Gay people are not horrible. Accidental Activist - Bigotry and prejudice are not a positive thing. The Lock In - Nude pics are not demonic. An American Carol - Being Conservitive does not solve everything. A Matter of Faith - The whole movie I disagree with. Whaat..........? |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 19, 2018 3:36:22 GMT
CASABLANCA.
The message is "war is more important than love."
Maybe they didnt intend that, but that is how it comes out.
It is a counter-intuitive message.
Rick was mad at Ilsa because she left him in Paris. He didnt know about Victor. They arrive in Casablanca and at first he is upset but then learns that she thought Victor was dead, and Rick is starting to have partisan feelings again like the old days (although were they ever really dead? He helped that guy at the gambling table) so thanks to them he decides he will go back into military work.
But Ilsa seems to indicate she loves Rick more than Victor (that is the impression one has I think--Victor is really boring) so she was willing to stay with Rick but he insists she goes because Victor needs her for his work.
She may not regret leaving him immediately, but eventually she would--why? Because her action could cause the war to be lost?
I can't find a way to reconcile the message with common sense. Maybe if they worded his speech differently. As it is, he is lecturing her to forget their love because of the importance of war. A timeless message?
As for DIRTY HARRY--the message is clearly that Harry is a dinosaur, obsolete--this is why he throws away the badge. "Your society is lost" is the message in the end. Whether one agrees with that is the question.
THE GHOST AND THE DARKNESS
This one bothered me for a few things.
One was the way it demonized the lions. The railroad was an intrusion on their territory. A monkey is used as bait. There was no animal friendly moral message in the story at all. Thatw as weird.
It also had a jarring element that the Muslim railroad worker is made a good guy, but the Hindus are treated as anonymous and stupid.
This was the first film that made me pay attention to Hollywood showing weird favoritism to Islam.
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Post by mikef6 on Apr 19, 2018 4:32:33 GMT
CASABLANCA. The message is "war is more important than love." Maybe they didnt intend that, but that is how it comes out. It is a counter-intuitive message. Rick was mad at Ilsa because she left him in Paris. He didnt know about Victor. They arrive in Casablanca and at first he is upset but then learns that she thought Victor was dead, and Rick is starting to have partisan feelings again like the old days (although were they ever really dead? He helped that guy at the gambling table) so thanks to them he decides he will go back into military work. But Ilsa seems to indicate she loves Rick more than Victor (that is the impression one has I think--Victor is really boring) so she was willing to stay with Rick but he insists she goes because Victor needs her for his work. She may not regret leaving him immediately, but eventually she would--why? Because her action could cause the war to be lost? I can't find a way to reconcile the message with common sense. Maybe if they worded his speech differently. As it is, he is lecturing her to forget their love because of the importance of war. A timeless message? In “Casablanca” Rich did not send Ilsa away because of “war” as a vague philosophical concept, but because of that particular war which engaged most of the world and was a serious threat to all of the Free World. “Watch On The Rhine” was another film that got several Oscar nominations in the same year as “Casablanca,” including Best Picture. “Rhine,” written by Lillian Hellman, won the Best Actor Oscar. Its message, delivered by Bette Davis in the closing scene, is that evil and tyranny stood on the brink of enslaving the world and the war must be fought no matter what sacrifices need to be made. Davis says that the women must be willing to send their husbands and sons off the war, perhaps to die, to fight the evil. This is jarring to us because of how politicians have lied us into unnecessary wars throughout the second half of the 20th century and into the 21st. Yet, that was the way the world looked to people in the early 1940s. For a more modern presentation of this same view of what we now call the Second World War (that there was a very real possibility of evil winning), see “Darkest Hour.” |
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Post by marianne48 on Apr 19, 2018 4:47:29 GMT
It's a Wonderful Life--no good deed goes unpunished. The story is like A Christmas Carol in reverse. Self-sacrifice may be noble, but beware of those who will see you as a pushover and use you.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 19, 2018 4:54:36 GMT
In “Casablanca” Rich did not send Ilsa away because of “war” as a vague philosophical concept, but because of that particular war which engaged most of the world and was a serious threat to all of the Free World. So it was war propaganda. I came to that conclusion myself. It wasn't as blunt as Orson Welles telling listeners at the end of a Suspense episode that they better buy war bonds or they may end up enslaved and working for $2 a day, but it has the same gist. Hyperbole to the extreme. Compared to the Iliad or something, it is not a normal art message. I'd have to think of any famous work of literature or art that championed the view that war was more important than love. I have read a fair bit, never encountered that. Usually the immutable truth is that love is superior to war if you have the choice and that the personal interests of two people does amount to more than a hill of beans when compared to geopolitics. In EL CID, Heston leaves his wife to command his army--but a)it was loyalty to his men and b)he was fighting for the direct survival of his land--there was not even a debate about it like there had been with WW 2 (America First, Charles Lindbergh, Patton's doubts etc). |
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 19, 2018 4:58:12 GMT
Gods Not Dead - Anyone who is not a Christian is a bad person with no morals. War Room - You should not stay in a toxic relationship. Loving the Bad Man - Rape is not a beautiful thing.Rock: It's Your Decision - Rock music is not evil. Too Saved - Winning the lottery is not bad. Saving Christmas - Doing good thing for people is a good thing. Audacity - Gay people are not horrible. Accidental Activist - Bigotry and prejudice are not a positive thing. The Lock In - Nude pics are not demonic. An American Carol - Being Conservitive does not solve everything. A Matter of Faith - The whole movie I disagree with. Whaat..........? Yeah I know. I just seen that film. I heard how messed up it was. Its, very much so. Anyway the film is about a girl who gets raped and has a baby from that rape and it shows the baby growing up. The rapist says something along the lines that what he created was beautiful. Im probably misinterpreting what the filmmakers intended but it looks to me that rape although awful can still make a beautiful thing. Its a messed up film. |
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Post by ravi02 on Apr 19, 2018 5:00:40 GMT
American Sniper - Bradley Cooper's good, but I don't care for its mythologizing of Chris Kyle, ugly stereotypical portrayals of Iraqis and the way it reduces the very complicated war on terror into a simple black and white fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 5:47:04 GMT
Well, i'd have to say, in general if a movie has one, I generally don't like it.
If it has some sort of a moral message, is that what you mean? If that is what you mean, then I don't like it.
I don't need films to teach Me how to live. That's just how I look at it.
Would that be fair to say that? Or am I missing the whole point here? |
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Post by ck100 on Apr 19, 2018 5:55:55 GMT
Reading the Casablanca stuff made me think of this alternate ending where Ilsa isn't so conflicted about leaving Rick. lol.
Start at 1:08
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