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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 22, 2018 18:50:21 GMT
Aren't they named after Kylo Ren?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2018 7:02:19 GMT
Aren't they named after Kylo Ren? So then Rey's last name is Stimpy?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Apr 23, 2018 10:41:35 GMT
Problem is JJ's mystery boxes would require a whole new prequel trilogy set between ROTJ & TFA to answer most of those I think. As it is they're playing instead with flashbacks to wedge those things in right now. Snoke, Rey's backstory, etc... TLJ portrayed they don't care, & if they don't, why should I? I'm beyond the days of reacting at mediocre backstories of beloved characters like Obi-Wan & Anakin... this bunch aren't even worthy yet.
Essentially, Disney went full DCU on the fly with this instead of tried & true MCU approach of, you know, actually planning stuff out beforehand. lol, you mean "actually planning stuff out beforehand" like when they now finally admit that they messed up their (simplistic) timeline, or "planning" like writing messy, incoherent, and contradicting trilogies that shift in tone, focus and narrative?
"Tried and true MCU approach" indeed, but I think Lucasfilm is very much in line with that marvelous approach anyway. No, the hard thing would be to leave the profitable, kiddy MCU-ways and jettison some of the childish jokes, formula stagnation and junk food writing.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 23, 2018 15:41:48 GMT
So then Rey's last name is Stimpy? THAT'S THE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!1
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Apr 23, 2018 17:04:40 GMT
So then Rey's last name is Stimpy? THAT'S THE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!1
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 23, 2018 17:06:44 GMT
THAT'S THE ONE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!1 BRILLIANT!
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Post by Jedan Archer on Apr 23, 2018 20:29:13 GMT
Is it more humane to let the franchise live on as a vegetable, or to simply pull the plug on it?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 24, 2018 21:32:49 GMT
Aren't they named after Kylo Ren? Do we know that for sure? Maybe its a name like DARTH Vader, DARTH Sidious, DARTH Maul. etc. Maybe there's going to be a bunch of guys called Tony REN, Papa REN, Poo Poo REN.
We don't even know what Darth means. I know its explained in some book somewhere, but unless its in something live action I don't accept it as canon.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 24, 2018 21:43:36 GMT
Aren't they named after Kylo Ren? Do we know that for sure? Maybe its a name like DARTH Vader, DARTH Sidious, DARTH Maul. etc. Maybe there's going to be a bunch of guys called Tony REN, Papa REN, Poo Poo REN.
We don't even know what Darth means. I know its explained in some book somewhere, but unless its in something live action I don't accept it as canon.
Actually, most of the other Knights are women ( Ka Ren, Sha Ren, and Lau Ren )
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 0:22:36 GMT
Aren't they named after Kylo Ren? Do we know that for sure? Depends on how sure you mean. I mean, it's a guy who calls himself Ren. And he led a bunch of other guys to form a group that he's the boss of, and they called themselves The Knights of Ren... and that's just a coincidence? I guess that is within the realm of possibility, but if so then it's a really, really dumb thing for the writer to do. It would be like showing a bunch of Jedi that Luke had formed who were called The Luke Skywalker Appreciation Society of Jedi, and then have somebody be like "Oh, no, we're not actually named for that Luke Skywalker. It's this other Luke Skywalker I know. He's my cousin. But it's okay, people make that mistake all the time." Could it happen? I guess. But it would be deeply weird if it did. Um, Darth isn't a name. It's a title. I mean, it's really obvious in the first movie that Darth was meant to be Vader's first name, and that he was just some guy and not Luke's father. But they decided that Darth was a title, it's the Sith equivalent of Lord or Baron or whatever. Tell me about it. I've seen NINE of these bloody movies now and I'm STILL waiting to find out what the hell a "Sith" is and what they want revenge for. Not one of the movies explains it! Not one!
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Post by shinnickneth on Apr 25, 2018 1:04:27 GMT
They actually answered that in a, get this, Lego Game. Lego The Force Awakens infact. I don't remember if it was DLC but there is a dlc that explains C3PO red Arm. They also answered it in the comic, "The Phantom Limb", which Anthony Daniels read at one of the Celebrations. starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Special:_C-3PO_1:_The_Phantom_Limb
^ Pointless information I wish I didn't know.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 25, 2018 17:56:52 GMT
Here's my questions, mostly aimed at Disney/Lucasfilm: I'll take a crack at these...
1. Why did you refuse George Lucas planned trilogy?
My guess is that it sucked and/or it was way too thin to make movies from. Lucas is known for scribbling on notepads. I have a massive "the making of Star Wars" book, and all it has from him are hand written notes. Its kinda awful.
2. Why did you remake episode 4 instead of doing a new/original story?
That's an opinion, but from a $$$ and nostalgia point of view it makes a weird, if not lazy, kind of sense to re-tread some old ground.
3. Why do you hate women? You're female characters have been poorly thought out, written and are uninteresting. I mean you literally have a female character who almost killed herself in a selfish act because she fell "in love" with a male character that she just met? You have another one who, for whatever reason, tells no one of her planned that eventually leads to the death of hundreds, possibly thousands.\
Again, opinion, and a wild interpretation of the events if you ask me.
4. Why do you hate the original characters so much? Let's check the list: Han Solo is turned into a deadbeat father who abandons his family for whatever reason and is killed off without any funeral. Luke Skywalker isolated himself from his family and friends and didn't care about any of them for whatever reason. And when he does return, he shows up as a force projection and fades away.Leia is tossed aside for a dumbass admiral. Ackbar is killed off without any sort of proper acknowledgement, despite being a fan favorite.
Hmmmm. I don't completely agree, but I don't completely DISagree either. I wouldn't say that they hated the OT characters, but more that they didn't take enough care of them. I could go on about that...
5. Why did you decanon the extended universe, despite it's popularity?
My guess is because it had gotten way too big and because it didn't mesh with their future plans. Don't forget, even Lucas himself didn't pay the EU much mind.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 25, 2018 18:06:37 GMT
Here's my questions, mostly aimed at Disney/Lucasfilm: I'll take a crack at these...
1. Why did you refuse George Lucas planned trilogy?
My guess is that it sucked and/or it was way too thin to make movies from. Lucas is known for scribbling on notepads. I have a massive "the making of Star Wars" book, and all it has from him are hand written notes. Its kinda awful.
Word on the skreetz was that if featured child actors as leads, and gave Disney some major "Jake Lloyd flashbacks"
2. Why did you remake episode 4 instead of doing a new/original story?
That's an opinion, but from a $$$ and nostalgia point of view it makes a weird, if not lazy, kind of sense to re-tread some old ground.
Agreed, from a ROI standpoint, it was very smart.
3. Why do you hate women? You're female characters have been poorly thought out, written and are uninteresting. I mean you literally have a female character who almost killed herself in a selfish act because she fell "in love" with a male character that she just met? You have another one who, for whatever reason, tells no one of her planned that eventually leads to the death of hundreds, possibly thousands.\
Again, opinion, and a wild interpretation of the events if you ask me.
They are obviously increasing the focus on women's viewpoints in the films, again, smart.
4. Why do you hate the original characters so much? Let's check the list: Han Solo is turned into a deadbeat father who abandons his family for whatever reason and is killed off without any funeral. Luke Skywalker isolated himself from his family and friends and didn't care about any of them for whatever reason. And when he does return, he shows up as a force projection and fades away.Leia is tossed aside for a dumbass admiral. Ackbar is killed off without any sort of proper acknowledgement, despite being a fan favorite.
Hmmmm. I don't completely agree, but I don't completely DISagree either. I wouldn't say that they hated the OT characters, but more that they didn't take enough care of them. I could go on about that...
Hate's a strong word. I doubt the past-retirement-age actors really wanted heavy involvement, though.
5. Why did you decanon the extended universe, despite it's popularity?
My guess is because it had gotten way too big and because it didn't mesh with their future plans. Don't forget, even Lucas himself didn't pay the EU much mind.
"Freedom!"
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Apr 26, 2018 20:31:51 GMT
4. Why do you hate the original characters so much? Let's check the list: Han Solo is turned into a deadbeat father who abandons his family for whatever reason and is killed off without any funeral. Luke Skywalker isolated himself from his family and friends and didn't care about any of them for whatever reason. And when he does return, he shows up as a force projection and fades away.Leia is tossed aside for a dumbass admiral. Ackbar is killed off without any sort of proper acknowledgement, despite being a fan favorite.
Hmmmm. I don't completely agree, but I don't completely DISagree either. I wouldn't say that they hated the OT characters, but more that they didn't take enough care of them. I could go on about that...
Hate's a strong word. I doubt the past-retirement-age actors really wanted heavy involvement, though.
I'm almost 99% certain that the powers that be had a conversation with Harrison Ford about his FAMOUSLY known desire to have Han Solo die in ROTJ. Few people know that J.J. Abrams and Harrison Ford were already friends because they worked together on Regarding Henry many years ago (which Abrams wrote). I'll bet anything the conversation went something like "Hey, if you do this we can finally kill Han like you always wanted!" and he went "Yeah, lets do that! This way I can finally get out from under!"
As for Luke and Leia... there was enough time to re-shoot a scene or two to have Luke live and have Leia die instead. Fisher died in Dec 27 2016, and TLJ was released Dec 15 2017, a whole year later! There was more than enough time to make the change. wtf?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Apr 26, 2018 21:23:06 GMT
I'm almost 99% certain that the powers that be had a conversation with Harrison Ford about his FAMOUSLY known desire to have Han Solo die in ROTJ. Few people know that J.J. Abrams and Harrison Ford were already friends because they worked together on Regarding Henry many years ago (which Abrams wrote). I'll bet anything the conversation went something like "Hey, if you do this we can finally kill Han like you always wanted!" and he went "Yeah, lets do that! This way I can finally get out from under!"
As for Luke and Leia... there was enough time to re-shoot a scene or two to have Luke live and have Leia die instead. Fisher died in Dec 27 2016, and TLJ was released Dec 15 2017, a whole year later! There was more than enough time to make the change. wtf?
They weren't going to change the plan just because Carrie Fisher died. And the plan was - get Luke Skywalker out of Rey's way by first making him a cowardly failure who resigned to quitting, then kill him off. It's probably why Colin Trevorrow got fired... because he didn't want to agree to writing Luke that way.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 26, 2018 21:29:25 GMT
I think it's important that Rey's parents are trashy nobodies. Not because it's a subversion of what everyone predicted (though, it helps), but because there's an expectation that Jedi parents SHOULD be important. Like the force is eugenicist. Rey's story is about how anyone can be a Jedi. It also highlights how she is the yin to Kylo's yang. Where he had amazing parents and a good upbringing, she came from nothing and terrible parents. They are opppites.
But I am dreading that Captain Obvious Conclusion gives in and reveals she's Obi-Wan's daughter or something.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on May 1, 2018 17:40:04 GMT
I'm almost 99% certain that the powers that be had a conversation with Harrison Ford about his FAMOUSLY known desire to have Han Solo die in ROTJ. Few people know that J.J. Abrams and Harrison Ford were already friends because they worked together on Regarding Henry many years ago (which Abrams wrote). I'll bet anything the conversation went something like "Hey, if you do this we can finally kill Han like you always wanted!" and he went "Yeah, lets do that! This way I can finally get out from under!"
As for Luke and Leia... there was enough time to re-shoot a scene or two to have Luke live and have Leia die instead. Fisher died in Dec 27 2016, and TLJ was released Dec 15 2017, a whole year later! There was more than enough time to make the change. wtf?
They weren't going to change the plan just because Carrie Fisher died. And the plan was - get Luke Skywalker out of Rey's way by first making him a cowardly failure who resigned to quitting, then kill him off. It's probably why Colin Trevorrow got fired... because he didn't want to agree to writing Luke that way. Could be.
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