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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 22, 2018 14:21:19 GMT
Watched the unaltered version with my son last night. I think what makes this film work so well is its high spirit and complete lack of cynicism. Remarkable considering it was released in the 1970s when cynicism was the more common attitude among the new wave filmmakers and audiences. Still not sure why Chewbacca wasn't given a medal in the ceremony honoring Luke's massacre of everybody aboard The Death Star.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 22, 2018 15:35:01 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 22, 2018 17:10:25 GMT
It reminds me of Superman: The Movie just a year later in the way that it has some rather gaping flaws, but the heart behind it is so pure you just can't help but love it.
It's also just one of the best adventure movies of all time.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Apr 23, 2018 13:16:56 GMT
Star Was ?
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 23, 2018 20:43:27 GMT
(Looks at thread title) Oh, goddammnit!
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Post by vegalyra on Apr 23, 2018 20:45:24 GMT
We also didn't have this...
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 23, 2018 20:50:21 GMT
It reminds me of Superman: The Movie just a year later in the way that it has some rather gaping flaws, but the heart behind it is so pure you just can't help but love it. It's also just one of the best adventure movies of all time. Just curious what you consider to be "gaping flaws" ?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 23, 2018 20:53:00 GMT
Watched the unaltered version with my son last night. I think what makes this film work so well is its high spirit and complete lack of cynicism. Remarkable considering it was released in the 1970s when cynicism was the more common attitude among the new wave filmmakers and audiences. Still not sure why Chewbacca wasn't given a medal in the ceremony honoring Luke's massacre of everybody aboard The Death Star.
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I'm pretty sure they weren't going to surrender peacefully. In addition to the high spirit and lack of cynicism, I think the unique world building and attention to detail contributed to the movie's success.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Apr 23, 2018 20:58:48 GMT
We also didn't have this...
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 23, 2018 21:10:18 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 23, 2018 21:25:52 GMT
It reminds me of Superman: The Movie just a year later in the way that it has some rather gaping flaws, but the heart behind it is so pure you just can't help but love it. It's also just one of the best adventure movies of all time. Just curious what you consider to be "gaping flaws" ? The writing and acting can be pretty bad. There's also not much in the way of development for anyone except Luke and Obi-Wan. I've also never been a fan of the ending with the award ceremony, which felt like a studio-mandated type of scene to tidy the whole movie up before studios did that kind of thing. Still, it's my #16 favorite movie of all time, so I forgive all of that.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 23, 2018 21:27:39 GMT
Just curious what you consider to be "gaping flaws" ? The writing and acting can be pretty bad. There's also not much in the way of development for anyone except Luke and Obi-Wan. I've also never been a fan of the ending with the award ceremony, which felt like a studio-mandated type of scene to tidy the whole movie up before studios did that kind of thing. Still, it's my #16 favorite movie of all time, so I forgive all of that. Fair points, what about "Superman" ?
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 23, 2018 21:34:02 GMT
The writing and acting can be pretty bad. There's also not much in the way of development for anyone except Luke and Obi-Wan. I've also never been a fan of the ending with the award ceremony, which felt like a studio-mandated type of scene to tidy the whole movie up before studios did that kind of thing. Still, it's my #16 favorite movie of all time, so I forgive all of that. Fair points, what about "Superman" ? Superman has some serious pacing issues. The lack of development for Lex also kind of leaves a lot to be desired after awhile of seeing him near the end. It just makes you wonder what could have been if he was given a little more screen-time (that could have also helped with the pacing). The flying scene with Lois is great until she starts rhyming and talking to herself, then the whole scene is pretty much ruined for me. I'm also part of the club that isn't real fond of the turning-back-time ending. It didn't used to bother me, but after watching it a few times it really takes away from the earlier scenes. Same as with Star Wars, though, I love this movie and it would easily be in my Top 75. It used to be in my Top 50, but it fell out after my last rewatch. It's still very good though.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 23, 2018 21:53:54 GMT
(Looks at thread title) Oh, goddammnit!
It's often confused with the sole directorial effort by Roger Eberg. Common occurrence.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Apr 23, 2018 23:24:24 GMT
Han shot first!
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Post by darksidebeadle on Apr 23, 2018 23:28:57 GMT
yeah the unaltered versions of star wars and return of the jedi are much better.. empire is fine either way, they didnt do much to it cos it was so great as is.. i appreciate the longer wampa/luke scene and the background additions to cloud city.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 23, 2018 23:48:23 GMT
The whole "Special Edition" thing never bothered me.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Apr 24, 2018 0:01:56 GMT
Lex Luthor didnt get an introduction because a)the movie was about Superman and b) since Gene Hackman was famous it was more like a Batman tv villain appearance.
I have no issue with the time reversal ending since he was doing all sorts of super things for others, and reversing time in a fit of rage was meant to be something flukey and done for himself.
But I agree about the Lois poem. Supposedly they originally planned her to sing it. Oh God...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2018 2:54:23 GMT
Prediction, your son will like empire the least and love rotj the most, they all do. If he's like, under 9 that is.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 24, 2018 3:23:10 GMT
Prediction, your son will like empire the least and love rotj the most, they all do. If he's like, under 9 that is. I think your prediction might be wrong... I saw "Empire Strikes Back" in the theater when I was FIVE years old, and "Return of The Jedi" when I was EIGHT. "Empire Strikes Back" has always been my favorite... and "Return of The Jedi" has always been my least favorite... of the films in the original trilogy.
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