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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 22, 2018 21:23:00 GMT
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linkFor those who don’t know who this guy is, he directed the animated adtation of The Dark Knight Returns. Anyway, this would seem to contradict the assumption that BvS was made specifically because WB was disappointed in MoS.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 22, 2018 21:30:51 GMT
Anyway, this would seem to contradict the assumption that BvS was made specifically because WB was disappointed in MoS. Who assumed that?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Apr 22, 2018 21:33:24 GMT
Snyder already confirmed this, over a year ago:
"I gotta be honest, it definitely was a thing that... after Man of Steel finished and we started talking about what would be in the next movie, I started subtly mentioning that it would be cool if he faced Batman. In the first meeting, it was like, "Maybe Batman?" Maybe at the end of the second movie, some Kryptonite gets delivered to Bruce Wayne's house or something. Like in a cryptic way, that's the first time we see him. But then, once you say it out loud, right? You're in a story meeting talking about, like, who should [Superman] fight if he fought this giant alien threat Zod who was basically his equal physically, from his planet, fighting on our turf... You know, who to fight next? The problem is, once you say it out loud, then it's kind of hard to go back, right? Once you say, "What about Batman?" then you realize, "Okay, that's a cool idea. What else?" I mean, what do you say after that? ...But I'm not gonna say at all that when I took the job to do Man of Steel that I did it in a subversive way to get to Batman. I really believe that only after contemplating who could face [Superman] did Batman come into the picture."
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 22, 2018 21:34:54 GMT
Anyway, this would seem to contradict the assumption that BvS was made specifically because WB was disappointed in MoS. Who assumed that? A common theory from both detractors and fans of MoS has been that BvS was a last minute thing that only happened because MoS didn’t make more money at the box office. I remember that having been a pretty prominent assumption during the days of the old IMDB forums. Trolls like OdumC were especially fond of this theory.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 23, 2018 0:04:58 GMT
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 23, 2018 16:39:17 GMT
A common theory from both detractors and fans of MoS has been that BvS was a last minute thing that only happened because MoS didn’t make more money at the box office. I remember that having been a pretty prominent assumption during the days of the old IMDB forums. Trolls like OdumC were especially fond of this theory. But at the same time, it doesn't sound like Batman was the main star of the movie like he was in the finished product. From that Snyder quote, it sounds like Batman was more like in the Doomsday role. It sounds like it was going to be Man of Steel 2, but the Batman role got bigger and bigger until it became Batman v Superman.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 23, 2018 17:02:04 GMT
A common theory from both detractors and fans of MoS has been that BvS was a last minute thing that only happened because MoS didn’t make more money at the box office. I remember that having been a pretty prominent assumption during the days of the old IMDB forums. Trolls like OdumC were especially fond of this theory. But at the same time, it doesn't sound like Batman was the main star of the movie like he was in the finished product. From that Snyder quote, it sounds like Batman was more like in the Doomsday role. It sounds like it was going to be Man of Steel 2, but the Batman role got bigger and bigger until it became Batman v Superman. Batman wasn’t the main star, at least not in the extended cut. Besides, what does “in the Doomsday role” even mean?
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 23, 2018 17:15:47 GMT
But at the same time, it doesn't sound like Batman was the main star of the movie like he was in the finished product. From that Snyder quote, it sounds like Batman was more like in the Doomsday role. It sounds like it was going to be Man of Steel 2, but the Batman role got bigger and bigger until it became Batman v Superman. Batman wasn’t the main star, at least not in the extended cut. Besides, what does “in the Doomsday role” even mean? Snyder says that Batman wouldn't have shown up until the end when someone sent him some Kryptonite. And they were looking for someone to fight him in the end like Zod. I'm guessing the movie itself would have been him against Luthor until they needed someone for Superman to fight. So he would basically have been the Doomsday character. Also, the extended cut doesn't count.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 23, 2018 17:19:08 GMT
Batman wasn’t the main star, at least not in the extended cut. Besides, what does “in the Doomsday role” even mean? Snyder says that Batman wouldn't have shown up until the end when someone sent him some Kryptonite. And they were looking for someone to fight him in the end like Zod. I'm guessing the movie itself would have been him against Luthor until they needed someone for Superman to fight. So he would basically have been the Doomsday character. Also, the extended cut doesn't count. When did Snyder say that? Also, why doesn’t the extended cut count? That was the initial cut of the movie, before the studio mandated that Snyder trim it down to 150 minutes. Why shouldn’t that count?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 23, 2018 17:41:33 GMT
Anyway, this would seem to contradict the assumption that BvS was made specifically because WB was disappointed in MoS. Who assumed that? Zack Snyder apologists.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 23, 2018 17:42:46 GMT
Actually, before BvS was officially released, that was a pretty widely believed narrative from the people who disliked MoS.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 23, 2018 17:47:42 GMT
Actually, before BvS was officially released, that was a pretty widely believed narrative from the people who disliked MoS. Well, post-release, I only hear it from people trying to blame BvS (and JL) solely on the studio. As if Watchnen, Sucker Punch, and Man of Steel itself are evidence of some infallible auteur who couldn't make a disorganized mess.
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Post by Jedan Archer on Apr 23, 2018 19:30:14 GMT
Actually, before BvS was officially released, that was a pretty widely believed narrative from the people who disliked MoS. Well, post-release, I only hear it from people trying to blame BvS (and JL) solely on the studio. As if Watchnen, Sucker Punch, and Man of Steel itself are evidence of some infallible auteur who couldn't make a disorganized mess. Nonsense.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 23, 2018 23:52:30 GMT
Snyder says that Batman wouldn't have shown up until the end when someone sent him some Kryptonite. And they were looking for someone to fight him in the end like Zod. I'm guessing the movie itself would have been him against Luthor until they needed someone for Superman to fight. So he would basically have been the Doomsday character. Also, the extended cut doesn't count. When did Snyder say that? Also, why doesn’t the extended cut count? That was the initial cut of the movie, before the studio mandated that Snyder trim it down to 150 minutes. Why shouldn’t that count? You answered your own question. Extended Cuts and Director's Cuts, etc. are just movies with deleted scenes added back in. You don't count deleted scenes in the extras section of a movie do you?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 24, 2018 0:30:09 GMT
When did Snyder say that? Also, why doesn’t the extended cut count? That was the initial cut of the movie, before the studio mandated that Snyder trim it down to 150 minutes. Why shouldn’t that count? You answered your own question. Extended Cuts and Director's Cuts, etc. are just movies with deleted scenes added back in. You don't count deleted scenes in the extras section of a movie do you? The extended cut is a version of the movie that exists, and is available for viewing. Comparing that to deleted scenes in the extras for a DVD doesn’t really work. The bottom line is that the extended cut of the movie exists, and people have seen it, and know how all the scenes that weren’t in the theatrical cut fit into the narrative. Plus, I recall that the cut did have a one night theatrical release.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 24, 2018 17:39:47 GMT
You answered your own question. Extended Cuts and Director's Cuts, etc. are just movies with deleted scenes added back in. You don't count deleted scenes in the extras section of a movie do you? The extended cut is a version of the movie that exists, and is available for viewing. Comparing that to deleted scenes in the extras for a DVD doesn’t really work. The bottom line is that the extended cut of the movie exists, and people have seen it, and know how all the scenes that weren’t in the theatrical cut fit into the narrative. Plus, I recall that the cut did have a one night theatrical release. It does work because anyone can add deleted scenes into a movie just like WB did with BvS. It's the same as the Rogue Cut in DoFP. That's not the real cut of the movie. It's just a movie with the deleted scenes added back in. Another one is the Donner Cut of Superman 2 not being the definitive version. A 1 night theatrical release really doesn't mean anything. It was never said to be the definitive version by WB. At least George Lucas has said that the Special Special Edition is the definitive version of the movie. The extended cuts of movies are just, here look at this version.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 24, 2018 17:56:04 GMT
The extended cut is a version of the movie that exists, and is available for viewing. Comparing that to deleted scenes in the extras for a DVD doesn’t really work. The bottom line is that the extended cut of the movie exists, and people have seen it, and know how all the scenes that weren’t in the theatrical cut fit into the narrative. Plus, I recall that the cut did have a one night theatrical release. It does work because anyone can add deleted scenes into a movie just like WB did with BvS. It's the same as the Rogue Cut in DoFP. That's not the real cut of the movie. It's just a movie with the deleted scenes added back in. Another one is the Donner Cut of Superman 2 not being the definitive version. A 1 night theatrical release really doesn't mean anything. It was never said to be the definitive version by WB. At least George Lucas has said that the Special Special Edition is the definitive version of the movie. The extended cuts of movies are just, here look at this version. I’m not really getting what you mean. They exist, and are available to purchase, so they certainly are real cuts of the movies. They aren’t some random bonus extras on a DVD, they’re official releases of the films that were approved by the studios. Why shouldn’t they count? Anyway, the bottom line is that Batman wasn’t the star of BvS.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 24, 2018 19:06:31 GMT
It does work because anyone can add deleted scenes into a movie just like WB did with BvS. It's the same as the Rogue Cut in DoFP. That's not the real cut of the movie. It's just a movie with the deleted scenes added back in. Another one is the Donner Cut of Superman 2 not being the definitive version. A 1 night theatrical release really doesn't mean anything. It was never said to be the definitive version by WB. At least George Lucas has said that the Special Special Edition is the definitive version of the movie. The extended cuts of movies are just, here look at this version. I’m not really getting what you mean. They exist, and are available to purchase, so they certainly are real cuts of the movies. They aren’t some random bonus extras on a DVD, they’re official releases of the films that were approved by the studios. Why shouldn’t they count? Anyway, the bottom line is that Batman wasn’t the star of BvS. What I'm saying is that the extended cuts aren't the official cuts of the movie. They are the same as the novelization of a movie. You might as well say that everything in the script, even if not shot, is the official version of a movie. Eh, let's meet half way and say you are wrong.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 24, 2018 19:11:31 GMT
I’m not really getting what you mean. They exist, and are available to purchase, so they certainly are real cuts of the movies. They aren’t some random bonus extras on a DVD, they’re official releases of the films that were approved by the studios. Why shouldn’t they count? Anyway, the bottom line is that Batman wasn’t the star of BvS. What I'm saying is that the extended cuts aren't the official cuts of the movie. They are the same as the novelization of a movie. You might as well say that everything in the script, even if not shot, is the official version of a movie. Eh, let's meet half way and say you are wrong. The extended cut of BvS was officially released by WB, and is currently available for viewing. It’s not the same as a novelization, because a novelization isn’t made by the same people who work on the films. How exactly is that “meeting halfway”? The whole movie revolved around how the world was dealing with Superman. Superman and Batman were co-stars.
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 24, 2018 19:24:37 GMT
What I'm saying is that the extended cuts aren't the official cuts of the movie. They are the same as the novelization of a movie. You might as well say that everything in the script, even if not shot, is the official version of a movie. Eh, let's meet half way and say you are wrong. The extended cut of BvS was officially released by WB, and is currently available for viewing. It’s not the same as a novelization, because a novelization isn’t made by the same people who work on the films. How exactly is that “meeting halfway”? The whole movie revolved around how the world was dealing with Superman. Superman and Batman were co-stars. You are still not understanding what I said. It was an official release, but it is not the official version of the movie. The official version is the main theatrical cut. Didn't see the Deadpool 2 final trailer, huh? Are you sitting there with a scowl and all serious?
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