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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:55:01 GMT
Did the BBC show a lack of respect for Muslims in this article? Their byline read "Finsbury Park attack: Roses for Ramadan worshippers"...shouldn't they have said "Muslims" instead of "Ramadan worshippers"...?
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:47:45 GMT
It is an amazing movie. 9/10 But lets remember that the only reason it was nominated for best picture was because Netflix paid around $60m in a campaign for it to win. You have to wonder how much of that money actually goes to the academy or affiliated people / organisations. fortune.com/2019/02/25/netflix-roma-oscar-campaign-green-book/There have been countless foreign language movies better than Roma in the last decade. 'Shoplifters' (2018) was better than Roma. But the producers don't have $60m to chuck around telling people how good it is. I wasn't aware that Netflix had pulled this stunt. I have never used their services and I am outside the US. I had read about the promotion of "Shakespeare in Love" years ago. I think it one of the weakest films to ever take the Best Picture nod. I gave it 5/10.
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:37:45 GMT
Look at how many nominations it earned. How many foreign language movies perform this well with awards, including many that have been superior to this one? As I said, foreign language movies get nominated (not just for Oscars) regardless of the box office results. ROMA isn't the first one to be nominated in other categories. It appears you may have missed my point. Yes, other foreign language pictures get nominated, but in so many categories as Roma?
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:12:38 GMT
Here is another usage of "Easter worshippers" before the attacks took place in Sri Lanka. linkI don't get the point Cody or the wee fanny in his video are trying to make anyway 🤷 If you don't know that Easter worshippers are by definition Christian of one type or other, you've got to be thick as shit anyway. The point is to attack President Obama and Hillary Clinton as much and as often as possible. There is nothing that they will not dishonestly distort to do this, as is proven by what they are doing here.
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:07:52 GMT
It appears that the AP might be most responsible for the usage of "Easter worshippers".... Notice the date and time stamp. posted: Apr 20, 2019 06:12 AM EDT link
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 13:02:38 GMT
Here is another usage of "Easter worshippers" before the attacks took place in Sri Lanka. link
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 12:48:28 GMT
There has been a ridiculous focus on the use of the word Easter. The attacks took place on Easter, ergo its usage in the condolances. Did the attacks in New Zealand take place during Ramadan? No.
There was no disrespect given to Christians or Christianity.
It was the first time I saw anyone describing Christians as "Easter worshipers". Admittedly English is not my first language but it felt weird to me. I don't remember anyone calling the victims of the 2015 Mecca stampede "Hajj worshipers" or the victims of the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting as "Sabbath worshipers". I believe I have seen the term "Easter worshippers" used in the past, but not commonly. I think perhaps the appearance in tweets from President Obama and Hillary may have been caused by the word limit on Twitter. People who use it a lot are becoming accustomed to condensing what they say in fewer words. Using these two words conveys the same information as writing "Christians who were worshiping on Easter"...
But another explanation might be that they both used this turn of phrase because they both had just seen it used elsewhere. The Washington Post used it the day before the attacks took place, in a story about Notre Dame. Once again it appears the use was to pack as much meaning as possible into the few words of a byline. Obama also used the word "tourist' so my guess is that his wording came from reading the post article.
But the right-wing tends to have a love of conspiracy theories so they prefer to favor a more complicated situation where Obama and Hillary closely coordinated the wording in an effort to make a political statement. I doubt they actually talk to each other very often.
From the Washington Post: 20 April 2019
"Tourists, Easter worshippers lament closure of Notre Dame'
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 11:25:29 GMT
9/10 No recognizable actors to an American audience Most of the actors also aren't famous in Mexico (Yalitza hadn't even acted before). Maybe with Netflix distributing it this was different and led to it being a front runner to win the Academy Award for Best Picture? I don't think the AMPAS voters care about how popular a movie is. Hell, that's something a lot of people complain about. That they should nominate more popular movies. You're right about it being seen by more moviegoers thanks to being available on a streaming service, though. There have been many deserving foreign language films that barely get noticed upon release. In part I think it is because outside of some urban centers subtitled movies do not do good box office and the opportunity to see them is not so great because they aren't booked on many screens. This one had a ground-swell of attention which I think was in part due to the way it was released. I think this had an impact on the voting, in its favor. Look at how many nominations it earned. How many foreign language movies perform this well with awards, including many that have been superior to this one?
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 8:56:41 GMT
There has been a ridiculous focus on the use of the word Easter. The attacks took place on Easter, ergo its usage in the condolances. Did the attacks in New Zealand take place during Ramadan? No. There was no disrespect given to Christians or Christianity. That's where I would also understand the usage of the term Easter being used here because of it specifically happening on Easter. But it's looking at both of their separate tweets together where the point becomes made. Why mention Islamophobia and the Muslim community when showing condolences towards the victims but not do the same thing towards the attacks towards Christianity? Wouldn't it be disrespectful to only show recognition towards one religion but not the other? I think picking fault because the term "Muslim community" was used when something like "Christian community" was not is an attempt to find fault where none exists. It is an attempt to be divisive which is just the opposite of what the world needs at times like this. People like Ben Shapiro and those who find merit in what he says should be ashamed. And for the record only Hillary used the word Islamophobia, not both of them.
The attack in New Zealand had a clearer and more defined target than those in Sri Lanka which also included hotels. When these condolence messages were sent it was unclear who was responsible and what their motive might be. I saw speculation that the tourism industry was the main thing being attacked. It was not clear that Christians were targeted just because they were Christians. But Christianity was identified since Christians are directly mentioned as victims.
The whole point Shapiro is attempting to make is quite inline with the mantra of far too many in the American right-wing, that people are losing their quality of life to immigrants and that Muslim immigrants are dangerous. With no evidence President trump has claimed that Muslim terrorists are attempting to sneak across the Mexican border by hiding in caravans. So the right-wing vilifies those who push back against such sentiments. here we have an attempt to say there is a preferential bias against Christians and for Muslims for which there is no evidence, so they create evidence out of whole cloth.
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Apr 29, 2019 8:11:55 GMT
Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 8:11:55 GMT
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Apr 29, 2019 5:32:06 GMT
Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 5:32:06 GMT
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Post by geode on Apr 29, 2019 4:38:41 GMT
It is uncharacteristic of Clinton and Obama not to be consistent. Thanks for posting the point made from the video with an image. People in this thread seem to believe that Christians are complaining about their religion not being specifically stated alone, but it's more about its inconsistency in contrast with how Islam is stated that's the issue. If you are going to address the attacks of Islam as the "Muslim community" then it would equally be fair and respectful to address the attacks of Christianity as the "Christian community" as well, and not just "Easter worshippers", since Easter isn't a religion and is not what Christians actually worship/practice/celebrate as a whole. Neither Obama or Clinton address Muslims as "Ramadan eaters", as mentioned in the video, so why address Christians as "Easter worshippers?" It shows a clear sign of disrespect towards Christianity. I understand they might have thought since Easter is more universally recognized by many people then that influenced their reasoning to address it more generically, but then who else celebrates Easter at a Christian church other than Christians? It was obviously an attack on Christianity, not just Easter specifically. There has been a ridiculous focus on the use of the word Easter. The attacks took place on Easter, ergo its usage in the condolances. Did the attacks in New Zealand take place during Ramadan? No.
There was no disrespect given to Christians or Christianity.
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Apr 26, 2019 12:05:55 GMT
Post by geode on Apr 26, 2019 12:05:55 GMT
It takes me a couple of minutes to sew on a button, how about you?
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Post by geode on Apr 26, 2019 4:28:49 GMT
If you aren't a Catholic, you don't have to join to attain salvation. And if you are a Catholic, you don't have to leave to attain salvation. That's my take on it.
I think I can claim this much at the very least... being Catholic raises ones chances of reaching Heaven. those outside of the Catholic church, lower their chances of reaching Heaven.
because the Catholic church is the true church of God as it's started by Jesus Christ (with Peter (see... Matthew 16:18)) where as others are started by man. given that info, it's not difficult to see that it's unwise (to put it mildly) to be outside of the Catholic church.
plus, it's been basically said that, "Outside the Church[Catholic] there is no salvation" by saints etc and even in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (which is official church teachings) talks about it a bit... www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm ; so in short, given this info it's technically possible to be saved outside of the Catholic church but what I said above still applies in that your chances of reaching heaven are higher inside of the Catholic church than outside of it. so those outside of the Catholic church are basically rolling-the-dice with their salvation. Where the true church of God exists: Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 18:15:04 GMT
No, he did not. I pointed this out to Cody hours ago, and how it made those making his case hypocrites...since they all leave Trump's message out of their discussion while attacking Obama and Hillary. He ignored me of course, making him an accessory hypocrite.
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 18:11:18 GMT
THAT part of it, at least seems a silly quibble.
The degree to which, and how. the world at large calls out specific religions as the basis for terrorism isn't a quibble. But I think it needs to be done diplomatically. Given that ~1/4 the worlds population is Muslim, that means there are 1.75 billion Muslims. Clearly they ALL aren't out committing terrorism. In fact, that means there are probably well over 1.7 billion who are living peacefully. Clearly Islam has its radical elements just like Christians have their radical elements. The background of [one of] the perpetrators in the mosque attacks in New Zealand makes it clear he was doing it on behalf of Christians/Christianity. Yet I wouldn't hold Christians or Christianity in general as responsible for that attack. AFAIK, no public official specifically names Christianity or Christians in condemning those who attacked the mosques.
The problem I see with the Shapiros of the world...wishing to call out Islam and Muslims specifically is that I don't see how it helps anything. For me, anyways, I think it all comes down to how can the rest of the world support and encourage the moderate and peaceful Muslims? Maybe it's by clearly identifying when some terrorists are doing it in the name of Islam. I don't know for sure. But I'm guessing that those who respond like Hillary and Obama aren't doing it JUST to irritate Christians and protect radical Muslims, but rather it's because they are trying to minimize the importance of the Islam religion in these terrorists attacks vs the fact that there are radical elements of all worldviews...Christian, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. As I have said elsewhere, naming Islam in these extremists attacks only lends strength to THEIR cause...the cause of the radical Islamic terrorists...they WANT to be seen as radical...radical in their fight for their version of God. The other Muslims would probably rather NOT be associated with these terrorists attacks so are chagrined when it is pointed out that these extremists are doing it "in the name of God." So I don't see it as hypocrisy but at trying to be diplomatic. At worst it might be a mistake, but best it might be a better approach than the approach Shapiro and the dude hosting the video.
LOL How long did it take for you to come up with this insightful reply? You really are unable to carry out an informed, mature and intelligent conversation.
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 18:08:08 GMT
When people respond to me by just copying a link it usually means that they have no valid argument to make for themselves. The article in the link is just more distorted right-wing nonsense like that that Shapiro spouted, so what is your point? I knew you would just arrogantly dismiss that article. You’re a leftist you cannot help yourself. Uhh no. Christians do not worship Easter. Christians go to church to worship God and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Hence why we are called Christians. It is actually Obama and Clinton who are guilty of adding redundant wording. You are just like most of the other radical leftists willing to scoff at facts and twist things if it threatens to contradict your precious worldview. No, I read the article and it was just stating the same things Shapiro and his mouthpiece in the video you linked were making. You made no point but just pasted a link in response to my earlier reply. It is you that failed to make any argument, in effect dismissing what I wrote. I don't think you had the ability to make an intelligent reply, so you decided to not make a reply at all. That was probably wise, in that you did not expose your deficiencies further. You are coming across as a very ignorant person attempting to defend a position that really cannot be defended.
I already preemptively took your argument about Christians worshiping Easter apart before you made it. Why? Because others on the radical right were making this absurd claim. Remember the part I wrote about "Easter" being an adjective? Your reading makes the word "worshipers" modify Easter, and not the way it is written.
I am not even close to being a radical leftist. I am actually center-right. I think there are those that have seen my posts for years and know the truth.
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 14:59:20 GMT
I was, truly, viewing Dr. Lao through the eyes of a grownup, Geode. When I first saw it it was on the late movie and I was somewhere between the age of eighteen to twenty, and I thought it was grand. There's much to like and love in it, and producer-director George Pal had a heart as big as the great outdoors. I will have to watch it again. Although I have watched a few scenes over the years I don't think I have seen in in its entirety since its first release.
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 7:42:41 GMT
The condolence messages from President Obama and Hillary were made before there was any confirmation of the terrorists who perpetrated the crimes. I was even still seeing articles implying that radical Buddhist monks were involved. This was a very good reason not to specifically call out anybody. The allegation about "Easter worshipers is ridiculous. Obama and Hillary simply used language in a more skilled way than President Trump and his uneducated followers appear to be capable of pulling off. "Easter worshipers" implicitly refers to Christians but also indicates what these Christians were engaged in doing. It conveys more meaning without adding redundant wording. So they should be criticized for their abilities to express themselves more elegantly than those rendering this criticism? This is being petty at best. The word "Easter" is used as an adjective in the the statements from President Obama and Hillary Clinton. It modifies the noun Once again hatred is being stoked here. Why not accept the sincere condolences for what they were, a sincere expression of sympathy? You don't have to like somebody to agree with them about something like this. Why always assume them to be enemies? But even if you do, Jesus said to love our enemies. I sure don't see much love in the replies given here. But why wasn't President Trump's tweet included in the discussion? He didn't use the word "Christians" or "Muslims" either, and yet I take his condolences as being sincere in spite of his mistake about the number killed. “Heartfelt condolences from the people of the United States to the people of Sri Lanka on the horrible terrorist attacks on churches and hotels that have killed at least 138 million people and badly injured 600 more. We stand ready to help!” townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2019/04/23/why-hillary-clinton-and-barack-obama-tweeted-about-easter-worshippers-n2545189 When people respond to me by just copying a link it usually means that they have no valid argument to make for themselves. The article in the link is just more distorted right-wing nonsense like that that Shapiro spouted, so what is your point?
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Post by geode on Apr 25, 2019 7:23:46 GMT
The condolence messages from President Obama and Hillary were made before there was any confirmation of the terrorists who perpetrated the crimes. I was even still seeing articles implying that radical Buddhist monks were involved. This was a very good reason not to specifically call out anybody. The allegation about "Easter worshipers is ridiculous. Obama and Hillary simply used language in a more skilled way than President Trump and his uneducated followers appear to be capable of pulling off. "Easter worshipers" implicitly refers to Christians but also indicates what these Christians were engaged in doing. It conveys more meaning without adding redundant wording. So they should be criticized for their abilities to express themselves more elegantly than those rendering this criticism? This is being petty at best. The word "Easter" is used as an adjective in the the statements from President Obama and Hillary Clinton. It modifies the noun Once again hatred is being stoked here. Why not accept the sincere condolences for what they were, a sincere expression of sympathy? You don't have to like somebody to agree with them about something like this. Why always assume them to be enemies? But even if you do, Jesus said to love our enemies. I sure don't see much love in the replies given here. But why wasn't President Trump's tweet included in the discussion? He didn't use the word "Christians" or "Muslims" either, and yet I take his condolences as being sincere in spite of his mistake about the number killed. “Heartfelt condolences from the people of the United States to the people of Sri Lanka on the horrible terrorist attacks on churches and hotels that have killed at least 138 million people and badly injured 600 more. We stand ready to help!”
President Trump appears to have been equally guilty of what Hillary and Obama are being berated for....does he share their leftist agenda? This is hypocrisy in play in my opinion, but that is typical of ben Shapiro and those who think he has valid things to say.
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