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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 5:10:23 GMT
That makes no sense at all. If Strange knew that the 1 winning scenario was to give the stone to Thanos, then why not just give Thanos the stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and have Thanos stab Stark first before agreeing to give Thanos the stone? That's just bad writing. I guess that is one of the 14 million possibilities which didn’t work for some undisclosed reason. It had to happen the way it happened. 🤷🏼♂️ But that's why it doesn't make any sense at all. If the only possibility of winning is that Thanos gets all the infinity stones, then why does it matter whether he just gives up the infinity stone when they first see Thanos rather than go through the fight and trying to get the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand? What if Starlord hadn't been such a dick and let them get the gauntlet off Thanos' hand first? Would that result in a losing scenario? If so, then why would Strange let them attempt that? How does Strange know Starlord would be such a dick and stop them from getting the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand? IF everything is supposed to happen exactly the way it did for them to win, then what if Groot doesn't say "I am Groot" and Steve Rogers doesn't say "I am Steve Rogers"? What if he just said "I'm Steve"? Would that be a losing scenario then? It just makes no sense at all that if Strange knew the only winning scenario was Thanos getting all the infinity stones, then why the fuck would Strange even allow them to fight Thanos and try to get the gauntlet off of Thanos' hand? That's just really bad writing.
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Post by deviates on Apr 29, 2018 6:52:42 GMT
What’s the point of posting the same exact thing twice in a row... ![](https://s26.postimg.cc/xevdzgvq1/angry5.gif) That's just bad writing.
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Post by sostie on Apr 29, 2018 12:57:31 GMT
Or the 1 win out of 14 million outcome he saw only happened if he gave up the Time Stone That makes no sense at all. If Strange knew that the 1 winning scenario was to give the stone to Thanos, then why not just give Thanos the stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and have Thanos stab Stark first before agreeing to give Thanos the stone? That's just bad writing. He saw the one winning scenario....he saw how it would play out, and it had so far played out as he predicted, him giving the stone in exchange for Stark's life was part of that, everything that followed would have already predicted based on those actions. His part, giving up the stone at that time for that reason, was the part he had to play in it. It was playing out exactly as he needed it to. And either way it's not bad writing by the MCU because it's all fan theory...you have no idea what will happen next.
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Post by sostie on Apr 29, 2018 12:59:01 GMT
Have a feeling Antman & Wasp will end mid or post credits, with some characters "fading". In a final battle in Avengers 4 I can see Ant-man/Giant-Man playing a major part. Maybe his ability to explore another diemnsion may be put to use
Seeing that Ant-man and Wasp were the founding members of The Avengers in the comics maybe they'll form The New Avengers! (potential title for part 4 or 5? )
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Apr 29, 2018 13:26:08 GMT
Likes: Thanos and his backstory and his relationship with Gamora
Iron Man and Dr Strange interactions (Comedy Gold!)
Guardians (Glad they toned down some of the humor from Guardians 2)
Thor's story arc
Vision and Wanda's story arc. Wish we saw more of it as well.
Red Skull's return ( A nice surprise and hopefully maybe he'll come back and have one last confrontation with Captain America)
The Black Order (Great villains, especially Maw)
Dislikes: Limited screen time for Captain America and his allies. Captain America is still my favorite Avengers, and loved all his moments in this film, especially the spear catch, but he really got shortchanged in this. Wish we had a scene of him and his "secret Avengers" doing something in another part of the world that could have lead up to his introduction with Thanos threat
Wakanda battle. Didn't like the outrider army and everything. Too much CGI. Was kinda hoping they move away from the CGI armies like in the first Avengers and Ultron. They should have just stuck with the Black Order.
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Post by sostie on Apr 29, 2018 13:41:32 GMT
Some little things I really liked:
Rocket/White Wolf team up
Drax's invisibility
"We will deep fry your kebab"
Rocket, Thor and Groot arriving at Wakanda - one of the big surprises
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 16:38:31 GMT
That makes no sense at all. If Strange knew that the 1 winning scenario was to give the stone to Thanos, then why not just give Thanos the stone when they first see Thanos? Why go through the fight and have Thanos stab Stark first before agreeing to give Thanos the stone? That's just bad writing. it's not bad writing by the MCU It's bad writing by MCU because: Doctor Strange: "There are 14 million ways this could go but only 1 of them is a winning scenario for us. Yes, I know what is the 1 winning scenario for us out of 14 million scenarios. But I'm not going to tell you, Tony Stark, or anyone else what that winning scenario is. Instead, I'm just going to disintegrate into dust and take that 1 winning scenario out of 14 million as a secret to the grave. Good luck beating Thanos on your own!"
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Post by NormanClature on Apr 29, 2018 16:47:58 GMT
it's not bad writing by the MCU It's bad writing by MCU because: Doctor Strange: "There are 14 million ways this could go but only 1 of them is a winning scenario for us. Yes, I know what is the 1 winning scenario for us out of 14 million scenarios. But I'm not going to tell you, Tony Stark, or anyone else what that winning scenario is. Instead, I'm just going to disintegrate into dust and take that 1 winning scenario out of 14 million as a secret to the grave. Good luck beating Thanos on your own!"That doesn't make any sense because if Doctor Strange knows what the one winning scenario is then presumably he also knows that part of it will involve half of the Avengers disintegrating into dust and telling people what happens in that scenario would alter the future.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 16:50:37 GMT
It's bad writing by MCU because: Doctor Strange: "There are 14 million ways this could go but only 1 of them is a winning scenario for us. Yes, I know what is the 1 winning scenario for us out of 14 million scenarios. But I'm not going to tell you, Tony Stark, or anyone else what that winning scenario is. Instead, I'm just going to disintegrate into dust and take that 1 winning scenario out of 14 million as a secret to the grave. Good luck beating Thanos on your own!"That doesn't make any sense because if Doctor Strange knows what the one winning scenario is then presumably he also knows that part of it will involve half of the Avengers disintegrating into dust and telling people what happens in that scenario would alter the future. So Doctor Strange is just going to let half the universe die? Or maybe, Doctor's Strange's definition of winning is "Yeah, half the universe died, but we still defeated Thanos in the end so that counts as a win for us."
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Post by NormanClature on Apr 29, 2018 16:53:34 GMT
That doesn't make any sense because if Doctor Strange knows what the one winning scenario is then presumably he also knows that part of it will involve half of the Avengers disintegrating into dust and telling people what happens in that scenario would alter the future. So Doctor Strange is just going to let half the universe die? Or maybe, Doctor's Strange's definition of winning is "Yeah, half the universe died, but we still defeated Thanos in the end so that counts as a win for us." I assume he has seen the time line all the way through until the end where Tony Stark/Captain Marvel/whoever takes the infinity gauntlet from Thanos and reverses everything.
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Post by sostie on Apr 29, 2018 18:30:46 GMT
That doesn't make any sense because if Doctor Strange knows what the one winning scenario is then presumably he also knows that part of it will involve half of the Avengers disintegrating into dust and telling people what happens in that scenario would alter the future. So Doctor Strange is just going to let half the universe die? Or maybe, Doctor's Strange's definition of winning is "Yeah, half the universe died, but we still defeated Thanos in the end so that counts as a win for us." He hasn't won yet...there is still part 2 to come. If this is the reason. You seem to be struggling with the concept here, or deliberately being contrary. Maybe this is simpler for you...seen Groundhog Day? Bill Murray has to get everything perfect in a certain way before he can move forward. If Infinity War is a "Groundhog Day", it has not ended yet.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 18:35:00 GMT
So Doctor Strange is just going to let half the universe die? Or maybe, Doctor's Strange's definition of winning is "Yeah, half the universe died, but we still defeated Thanos in the end so that counts as a win for us." I assume he has seen the time line all the way through until the end where Tony Stark/Captain Marvel/whoever takes the infinity gauntlet from Thanos and reverses everything. So Doctor Strange has seen the winning scenario all the way through until the end but he's not going to tell anyone how it goes and is just going to let them figure out which 1 of the 14 million scenarios would be the winning scenario?
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Post by Peter B. Parker on Apr 29, 2018 18:47:08 GMT
Funny scenes that I liked:
"Where is Gamora?" "I'll do you one better, who is Gamora?" "I'll do you one better, why is Gamora?"
"Is it still the greatest movie of all time?" "It never was"
"I am groot!" "I am Steve Rogers"
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 29, 2018 20:21:47 GMT
Maybe the original Avengers are alive because Thanos kept his promise to the Chitauri of sparing those who killed so many Chitauri and nuked them.
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Post by NormanClature on Apr 29, 2018 20:25:46 GMT
I assume he has seen the time line all the way through until the end where Tony Stark/Captain Marvel/whoever takes the infinity gauntlet from Thanos and reverses everything. So Doctor Strange has seen the winning scenario all the way through until the end but he's not going to tell anyone how it goes and is just going to let them figure out which 1 of the 14 million scenarios would be the winning scenario? Yes, that's right. He has seen through to the end and telling them they are on the winning timeline would mean they are no longer on the winning timeline.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 20:35:52 GMT
So Doctor Strange has seen the winning scenario all the way through until the end but he's not going to tell anyone how it goes and is just going to let them figure out which 1 of the 14 million scenarios would be the winning scenario? Yes, that's right. He has seen through to the end and telling them they are on the winning timeline would mean they are no longer on the winning timeline. That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would telling them what the winning timeline is and what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios is, why would they do anything differently?
If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win?
Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing!
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Post by NormanClature on Apr 29, 2018 20:38:28 GMT
Yes, that's right. He has seen through to the end and telling them they are on the winning timeline would mean they are no longer on the winning timeline. That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would telling them what the winning timeline is and what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios is, why would they do anything differently?
If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win?
Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing!Are being stupid on purpose?
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Apr 29, 2018 20:44:51 GMT
Yes, that's right. He has seen through to the end and telling them they are on the winning timeline would mean they are no longer on the winning timeline. That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would telling them what the winning timeline is and what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios is, why would they do anything differently?
If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win?
Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing!It’s actually 14 million. And if them knowing isn’t part of the winning method, then it’s not. Telling them the exact way it happens isn’t going to do any good. You think telling Starlord that he’s going to turn to ash is going to go over well? They’ll do what they can to avoid that.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 29, 2018 20:49:12 GMT
That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would telling them what the winning timeline is and what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios is, why would they do anything differently? If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win? Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing! It’s actually 14 million. And if them knowing isn’t part of the winning method, then it’s not. Telling them the exact way it happens isn’t going to do any good. You think telling Starlord that he’s going to turn to ash is going to go over well? They’ll do what they can to avoid that. He doesn't have to tell them they turn to ash. He can just tell them what they should do to make sure it results in the winning scenario. Since no MCU fan has been able to give a logical and reasonable answer yet, I'll ask again:
Why would telling them what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what they should to achieve the 1 winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios, why would they do anything differently?
If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win?
Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing!
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Apr 29, 2018 21:04:17 GMT
It’s actually 14 million. And if them knowing isn’t part of the winning method, then it’s not. Telling them the exact way it happens isn’t going to do any good. You think telling Starlord that he’s going to turn to ash is going to go over well? They’ll do what they can to avoid that. He doesn't have to tell them they turn to ash. He can just tell them what they should do to make sure it results in the winning scenario. Since no MCU fan has been able to give a logical and reasonable answer yet, I'll ask again:
Why would telling them what they should do cause them to not be on the winning timeline anymore? If Doctor Strange told them what they should to achieve the 1 winning scenario out of 14 million scenarios, why would they do anything differently?
If someone told you "These are going to be the winning lottery numbers", why would you not choose those numbers? When Biff had Gray's Sports Almanac, do you think Biff placed any bets that he knew wasn't going to win?
Doctor Strange supposedly knows the 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios that would defeat a madman from killing half the universe, but he's going to keep that 1 winning scenario out of 1.4 million scenarios a secret all to himself and take that secret with him to the grave? Like I said, really awful writing!
No, it's because you don't understand. Clearly you never watched Terminator or even understand timeline paradox or the Butterfly effect. The one future Strange saw clearly involved the fight, Tony being wounded and everyone else being disintegrated. Mentioning it to the others simply alters that, hence the Butterfly effect. Even the simplest thing can change the future. So had Strange told the others, it could have had a very different outcome and they would never win or defeat Thanos
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