NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on May 11, 2018 1:35:32 GMT
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Post by politicidal on May 11, 2018 2:01:36 GMT
To each his own I say. Even if IW is objectively better.
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on May 11, 2018 2:06:40 GMT
To each his own I say. Even if IW is objectively better. DCU hardcore would never agree that IW is "objectively better."
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NormanClature
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Post by NormanClature on May 11, 2018 14:59:27 GMT
I will have to assume that lack of answers = lack of belief.
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Post by PreachCaleb on May 11, 2018 15:58:02 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos.
That being said, IW is still the better movie.
Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film.
That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 11, 2018 18:35:32 GMT
Easy answer.
What is the genre of movies that JL and IW belong to? Well, JL is a superhero movie and IW is supposed to be a superhero movie.
In IW, the "heroes" don't act like heroes and are selfish and repeatedly put their own desires above the greater good. In JL, the superheroes act like true superheroes. There's no selfishness and no egos or claiming sole credit, like Starlord's "For the record, this is MY plan" in IW.
And most important of all, in JL, the superheroes work together (e.g. Batman giving advice to Flash when Flash was hesitant in his first battle, Wonder Woman mentoring Cyborg, Flash and Superman saving civilians, Superman and Cyborg pulling the Mother Boxes apart, Superman freezing Steppenwolf's axe and Wonder Woman chopping up the axe with her sword, etc.) and defeat the villain and save the world.
In IW, the "heroes" work against each other (e.g. Starlord screwing up the attempt to remove the gauntlet from Thanos' hand) and their selfishness results in the villain killing more than half the universe. That's not much of a superhero movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 11, 2018 18:36:02 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos. That being said, IW is still the better movie. Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film. That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie. Justice League is a much better movie than all 3 of the Avengers movies.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on May 11, 2018 18:37:33 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos. That being said, IW is still the better movie. Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film. That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie. Justice League is a much better movie than all 3 of the Avengers movies. You are truly unflappable, my friend.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 11, 2018 18:40:51 GMT
Justice League is a much better movie than all 3 of the Avengers movies. You are truly unflappable, my friend. I'm just speaking the truth.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 11, 2018 22:36:00 GMT
Justice League is a much better movie than all 3 of the Avengers movies. You are truly unflappable, my friend. I think it physically hurt him to type that.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 11, 2018 22:49:02 GMT
I'm no hardcore DCEU supporter, but I liked JL more than IW on the grounds that it's an actual movie. IW is half a movie, and nothing in it will matter in a year. Maybe I'll like it better after I see Avengers 4 - I didn't like Deathly Hallows Part 1 until I saw Part 2 - but until then it feels like a complete waste of time.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 11, 2018 22:55:21 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos. That being said, IW is still the better movie. Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film. That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie. Justice League is a much better movie than all 3 of the Avengers movies. In bizarro world.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 11, 2018 23:10:29 GMT
Easy answer. What is the genre of movies that JL and IW belong to? Well, JL is a superhero movie and IW is supposed to be a superhero movie. In IW, the "heroes" don't act like heroes and are selfish and repeatedly put their own desires above the greater good. In JL, the superheroes act like true superheroes. There's no selfishness and no egos or claiming sole credit, like Starlord's "For the record, this is MY plan" in IW. And most important of all, in JL, the superheroes work together (e.g. Batman giving advice to Flash when Flash was hesitant in his first battle, Wonder Woman mentoring Cyborg, Flash and Superman saving civilians, Superman and Cyborg pulling the Mother Boxes apart, Superman freezing Steppenwolf's axe and Wonder Woman chopping up the axe with her sword, etc.) and defeat the villain and save the world. In IW, the "heroes" work against each other (e.g. Starlord screwing up the attempt to remove the gauntlet from Thanos' hand) and their selfishness results in the villain killing more than half the universe. That's not much of a superhero movie. IW is the third Avengers film and the 19th film in the MCU overall, JL is the first JL film and the fifth DCEU film overall. IW had much more set up and much more faith from movie goers around the world that allowed them the opportunity shake things up from what people usually would expect from an MCU movie, so having Thanos win in the end was a surprise moment done right. JL however didn't have much build up to it and the execution of the narrative was nothing to go home about, had it come out ten years ago it probably would've been met with more acclaim and appreciation by movie goers but in 2017 standards for CBM's are higher and we had seen exactly what JL was trying to do but far better in other superhero movies. It was anything but the movie most fans were dreaming about seeing on the big screen when they were little. To date the only well-liked DCEU movie is Wonder Woman...
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Post by Skaathar on May 12, 2018 0:17:44 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos. That being said, IW is still the better movie. Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film. That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie. Well there was at most only 3 of the JL fighting Steppenwolf at any single time. And the only ones who really tried to work together against him was WW and Aquaman. In comparison, you had IM, Strange, Spiderman and half the GOTG teaming up against Thanos.
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Post by Skaathar on May 12, 2018 0:18:33 GMT
Easy answer. What is the genre of movies that JL and IW belong to? Well, JL is a superhero movie and IW is supposed to be a superhero movie. In IW, the "heroes" don't act like heroes and are selfish and repeatedly put their own desires above the greater good. In JL, the superheroes act like true superheroes. There's no selfishness and no egos or claiming sole credit, like Starlord's "For the record, this is MY plan" in IW. And most important of all, in JL, the superheroes work together (e.g. Batman giving advice to Flash when Flash was hesitant in his first battle, Wonder Woman mentoring Cyborg, Flash and Superman saving civilians, Superman and Cyborg pulling the Mother Boxes apart, Superman freezing Steppenwolf's axe and Wonder Woman chopping up the axe with her sword, etc.) and defeat the villain and save the world. In IW, the "heroes" work against each other (e.g. Starlord screwing up the attempt to remove the gauntlet from Thanos' hand) and their selfishness results in the villain killing more than half the universe. That's not much of a superhero movie. So does that mean you consider BvS to be a terrible superhero movie since none of the heroes acted like heroes?
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Post by ThatGuy on May 12, 2018 1:23:12 GMT
I'm no hardcore DCEU supporter, but I liked JL more than IW on the grounds that it's an actual movie. IW is half a movie, and nothing in it will matter in a year. Maybe I'll like it better after I see Avengers 4 - I didn't like Deathly Hallows Part 1 until I saw Part 2 - but until then it feels like a complete waste of time. Isn't Justice League the 1st part of 2 that they aren't going to finish?
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 12, 2018 1:34:51 GMT
I'm no hardcore DCEU supporter, but I liked JL more than IW on the grounds that it's an actual movie. IW is half a movie, and nothing in it will matter in a year. Maybe I'll like it better after I see Avengers 4 - I didn't like Deathly Hallows Part 1 until I saw Part 2 - but until then it feels like a complete waste of time. Isn't Justice League the 1st part of 2 that they aren't going to finish? It was originally. Then it got repurposed into a more standalone movie. Darkseid is only mentioned like once, and they cut his cameo.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 12, 2018 1:48:03 GMT
Easy answer. What is the genre of movies that JL and IW belong to? Well, JL is a superhero movie and IW is supposed to be a superhero movie. In IW, the "heroes" don't act like heroes and are selfish and repeatedly put their own desires above the greater good. In JL, the superheroes act like true superheroes. There's no selfishness and no egos or claiming sole credit, like Starlord's "For the record, this is MY plan" in IW. And most important of all, in JL, the superheroes work together (e.g. Batman giving advice to Flash when Flash was hesitant in his first battle, Wonder Woman mentoring Cyborg, Flash and Superman saving civilians, Superman and Cyborg pulling the Mother Boxes apart, Superman freezing Steppenwolf's axe and Wonder Woman chopping up the axe with her sword, etc.) and defeat the villain and save the world. In IW, the "heroes" work against each other (e.g. Starlord screwing up the attempt to remove the gauntlet from Thanos' hand) and their selfishness results in the villain killing more than half the universe. That's not much of a superhero movie. IW is the third Avengers film and the 19th film in the MCU overall, JL is the first JL film and the fifth DCEU film overall. IW had much more set up and much more faith from movie goers around the world that allowed them the opportunity shake things up from what people usually would expect from an MCU movie, so having Thanos win in the end was a surprise moment done right. It wasn't a surprise because most people knew there's going to be a Part 2 so it was obvious that Thanos would win Part 1. That's why JL is a much better movie than IW. Because JL is actually a complete movie while IW isn't even a complete movie. IW is only half a movie. IW is basically like paying to go see a baseball game and then it starts raining after 5 innings and the umpires call the game after 5 innings and since 5 innings is long enough for an official game, it's game over and you don't get any refund or raincheck.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 12, 2018 1:51:39 GMT
One thing I can say in JL's favor is that the entire team came together to fight their villain. In IW, the Avengers (and even GotG) spent most of the movie splintered off into factions across the cosmos. That being said, IW is still the better movie. Though I don't think it's a fair comparison. IW has ten years worth of backstory to call on and pay off. A better comparison is JL with the first Avengers film. That being said, the first Avengers is still the better movie. Well there was at most only 3 of the JL fighting Steppenwolf at any single time. And the only ones who really tried to work together against him was WW and Aquaman. In comparison, you had IM, Strange, Spiderman and half the GOTG teaming up against Thanos. In JL, all of the superheroes were working together for 1 common agenda. In IW, many of the "heroes" (e.g. Starlord, Scarlet Witch, etc.) had their own selfish agenda and the "heroes" were working against each other (e.g. Starlord working against IM, Strange, Spiderman and half the GOTG).
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Post by ThatGuy on May 12, 2018 1:53:00 GMT
Isn't Justice League the 1st part of 2 that they aren't going to finish? It was originally. Then it got repurposed into a more standalone movie. Darkseid is only mentioned like once, and they cut his cameo. They didn't repurpose it enough.
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