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Post by damngumby on May 22, 2018 17:31:01 GMT
... hiding behind their secret identities?
There seems to be a distinct difference between Marvel and DC in this regard ... at least with the superheroes we've been introduced to in the movies.
The identities of the Marvel superheroes are known in the MCU. You can visit Tony Stark at his house, or say hi to Captain America in the park. No one wears a mask or feels the need to wear a disguise. (I'll get to Spiderman)
DC superheroes, on the other hand, hide among us. The civilian lives they lead are a lie. What are they afraid of?
Persecution for breaking the law every time they derry-do? Stalker fans? Paying taxes?
It's interesting to note that even the role of the Spiderman costume has changed now that he's part of the MCU. It use to be just a means of concealment. It had no functionality in the earlier movies. Now it has function. There's a tactical advantage for him to wear it. And his secret identity appears to be falling by the way-side in the MCU. It is no longer a primary plot device.
Are DC superheroes cowards? ... ashamed of who they are? ... pathological liars? What?
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Post by scabab on May 22, 2018 17:44:14 GMT
They're accurate to the comic.
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 22, 2018 17:53:16 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense.
The answer is obvious and you already know what it is. They don't want to put those they love in harms way.
But yeah, you're right, wanting to protect those closest to you from your own enemies is *so* cowardly.
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Post by damngumby on May 22, 2018 19:02:23 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense. Like I said, Spiderman's secret identity doesn't seem to be all that important anymore. The list of people who know who he is continues to grow with every passing movie. Batman is basically a criminal who would be arrested on sight if the authorities knew who he was. He is protecting himself. If Superman is trying to keep Lois Lane out of harms way, he's doing a damn poor job of it. His disguise has no impact on her welfare. Wonder Woman doesn't have a family or boy friend (as far as we know). She is only protecting herself. Your "protecting love ones" theory just doesn't hold water. Sorry. I think that Marvel has realized that a superhero with a secret identity these days is stupid and a distraction from the actual story, so they've jettisoned it. DC still wants their fans to believe that a pair of glasses will fool most people.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on May 22, 2018 19:40:20 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 22, 2018 21:43:31 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense. Like I said, Spiderman's secret identity doesn't seem to be all that important anymore. The list of people who know who he is continues to grow with every passing movie. Batman is basically a criminal who would be arrested on sight if the authorities knew who he was. He is protecting himself. If Superman is trying to keep Lois Lane out of harms way, he's doing a damn poor job of it. His disguise has no impact on her welfare. Wonder Woman doesn't have a family or boy friend (as far as we know). She is only protecting herself. Your "protecting love ones" theory just doesn't hold water. Sorry. I think that Marvel has realized that a superhero with a secret identity these days is stupid and a distraction from the actual story, so they've jettisoned it. DC still wants their fans to believe that a pair of glasses will fool most people. Those that are learning Spider-Man's identity are other superheroes, not everyday schmucks. Batman is protecting the people of Gotham when the police either can't or won't. Obviously he doesn't want to be arrested or killed as Bruce Wayne and jeopardize that. Also, is he not looking after Alfred or Lucius or any of his other close friends by keeping his identity a secret? They would immediately become an easy target to get to Bruce if his identity was known. Same thing with Lois. People don't recognize Clark as Superman, so she's safe. If they did, wouldn't she be the easiest and most effective way to bend Clark to their will? Batman used Lois to calm Superman down in JL, so couldn't Lex or the Joker use her as collateral to force Superman into doing something for them? I'm glad you couldn't figure that out for yourself and you needed me to spell it out for you. That was fun.
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Post by NormanClature on May 22, 2018 22:44:34 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense. The answer is obvious and you already know what it is. They don't want to put those they love in harms way. But yeah, you're right, wanting to protect those closest to you from your own enemies is *so* cowardly. Wonder Woman has nobody she needs to protect. Batman has Alfred who gets into enough shit anyway so I don't see why protecting him in that way is necessary. Superman has his mom and Lois, so it's a bit late to worry about people finding his link with both of them and Aquaman has an eel called Brian.
Can you really say that these people would be in any more jeopardy if the DC heroes threw away their disguises?
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Post by sdrew13163 on May 22, 2018 22:55:17 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense. The answer is obvious and you already know what it is. They don't want to put those they love in harms way. But yeah, you're right, wanting to protect those closest to you from your own enemies is *so* cowardly. Wonder Woman has nobody she needs to protect. Batman has Alfred who gets into enough shit anyway so I don't see why protecting him in that way is necessary. Superman has his mom and Lois, so it's a bit late to worry about people finding his link with both of them and Aquaman has an eel called Brian.
Can you really say that these people would be in any more jeopardy if the DC heroes threw away their disguises? Yes.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 1:57:45 GMT
Another troll thread by King Kong Brady. He rants about how much he hates DC Fan and then he comes here and posts the same exact thread.
Hypocrisy
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 1:59:40 GMT
Like Spider-Man? He still has a secret identity. Your argument against that makes no sense. The answer is obvious and you already know what it is. They don't want to put those they love in harms way. But yeah, you're right, wanting to protect those closest to you from your own enemies is *so* cowardly. This! Brady, you've been OWNED yet again!
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Post by damngumby on May 23, 2018 2:03:25 GMT
I'm glad you couldn't figure that out for yourself and you needed me to spell it out for you. That was fun. You enjoy repeating yourself? The number of people who know who Spiderman is has increased considerably in the MCU, including non-superheroes. His secret identity is no longer a factor and appears to be in the process of being jettisoned by Marvel. Lois’s involvement with Superman is known. There is no reason for a Clark Kent persona to protect her. And using the name Kent actually puts his foster mother in more danger, not less. Nobody knows her as Super-mom. Batman is a criminal. If he was all alone, he would still wear a mask to avoid prosecution. None of them, in their current iteration, maintain a secret identity to protect their friends and families. It’s dumb. Marvel has figured it out. DC, not so much.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 2:10:13 GMT
I'm glad you couldn't figure that out for yourself and you needed me to spell it out for you. That was fun. You enjoy repeating yourself? The number of people who know who Spiderman is has increased considerably in the MCU, including non-superheroes. His secret identity is no longer a factor and appears to be in the process of being jettisoned by Marvel. Lois’s involvement with Superman is known. There is no reason for a Clark Kent persona to protect her. And using the name Kent actually puts his foster mother in more danger, not less. Nobody knows her as Super-mom. Batman is a criminal. If he was all alone, he would still wear a mask to avoid prosecution. None of them, in their current iteration, maintain a secret identity to protect their friends and families. It’s dumb. Marvel has figured it out. DC, not so much. Come on, Brady. You're embarassing yourself. This is painful to watch
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Post by damngumby on May 23, 2018 2:19:33 GMT
Another troll thread by King Kong Brady. He rants about how much he hates DC Fan and then he comes here and posts the same exact thread. Hypocrisy A provocative topic is not a troll thread. I defined a DC troll post here .... LINK
Stupidity and dishonesty, that is the key ... thought it’s not something you should try to emulate.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2018 2:30:43 GMT
I think that Marvel has realized that a superhero with a secret identity these days is stupid and a distraction from the actual story, so they've jettisoned it. Does the whole world know Spider-Man's secret identity? HUGE FAIL!!! MCU didn't jettison Spider-Man's secret identity so your argument just doesn't hold water. And as for cowards, the biggest coward in CBM history is Hulk. Got a beatdown from Thanos and then got too scared to show up for the rest of the movie.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2018 2:32:24 GMT
Like I said, Spiderman's secret identity doesn't seem to be all that important anymore. The list of people who know who he is continues to grow with every passing movie. Batman is basically a criminal who would be arrested on sight if the authorities knew who he was. He is protecting himself. If Superman is trying to keep Lois Lane out of harms way, he's doing a damn poor job of it. His disguise has no impact on her welfare. Wonder Woman doesn't have a family or boy friend (as far as we know). She is only protecting herself. Your "protecting love ones" theory just doesn't hold water. Sorry. I think that Marvel has realized that a superhero with a secret identity these days is stupid and a distraction from the actual story, so they've jettisoned it. DC still wants their fans to believe that a pair of glasses will fool most people. Those that are learning Spider-Man's identity are other superheroes, not everyday schmucks. Batman is protecting the people of Gotham when the police either can't or won't. Obviously he doesn't want to be arrested or killed as Bruce Wayne and jeopardize that. Also, is he not looking after Alfred or Lucius or any of his other close friends by keeping his identity a secret? They would immediately become an easy target to get to Bruce if his identity was known. Same thing with Lois. People don't recognize Clark as Superman, so she's safe. If they did, wouldn't she be the easiest and most effective way to bend Clark to their will? Batman used Lois to calm Superman down in JL, so couldn't Lex or the Joker use her as collateral to force Superman into doing something for them? I'm glad you couldn't figure that out for yourself and you needed me to spell it out for you. That was fun. Most MCU fans need things spelled out for them.
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Post by damngumby on May 23, 2018 9:37:54 GMT
Another explaination for why DC continues to keep their superhero identities secret is that they are not particularly interested in holding their superheroes accountable for their actions. If they fuck up, there are no unpleasant consequences to follow them around.
Marvel, on the other hand, has delved into this topic extensively. When a Marvel superhero screws the pooch, it changes their life. Tony Stark’s home is destroyed, Steve Rogers becomes a wanted man. Other superheroes are imprisoned. They don’t have that safety net of a second secret life to retreat into ... which helps make their stories more compelling. There is more at stake. More to lose. Less room for error.
A big improvement would be for the DC superheroes to come out of the closet and throw that secret identity crutch away. It’s just holding them back.
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Post by damngumby on May 23, 2018 10:58:41 GMT
I think that Marvel has realized that a superhero with a secret identity these days is stupid and a distraction from the actual story, so they've jettisoned it. Does the whole world know Spider-Man's secret identity? HUGE FAIL!!! MCU didn't jettison Spider-Man's secret identity so your argument just doesn't hold water. Spider-Man has been address three times already. Do try to keep up, cupcake. Oh dear, did you just compare DC adult superheroes to an emotion driven rage monster who, developmentally, is only a few years old, just learned to talk, and experience his first defeat at the hands of the most powerful being in the universe? The Hulk will, no doubt, overcome his fear and return with a vengeance. Can we say the same about the DC adults who still hide behind thier secret identities?
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Post by DC-Fan on May 23, 2018 17:04:23 GMT
Tony Stark’s home is destroyed Tony Stark's home is destroyed not because he revealed his identity to the world but because he was so stupid that he announced his home address on TV to the whole world. Maybe next time, Tony Stark will announce his social security number and credit card numbers on TV to the whole world. Steve Rogers becomes a wanted man. Steve Rogers became a wanted man not because the whole world knows his identity but because he chose to break the law and become an accessory to murder after the fact. Other superheroes are imprisoned. Because they broke the law by aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities. which helps make their stories more compelling. Nothing compelling about a bunch of criminals aiding and abetting a double-murderer to flee from the authorities and obstructing justice.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:18:00 GMT
Another troll thread by King Kong Brady. He rants about how much he hates DC Fan and then he comes here and posts the same exact thread. Hypocrisy A provocative topic is not a troll thread. I defined a DC troll post here .... LINK
Stupidity and dishonesty, that is the key ... thought it’s not something you should try to emulate. i don't know. I see quite a bit of stupidly and dishonesty in this thread.
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Post by damngumby on May 23, 2018 17:44:33 GMT
A provocative topic is not a troll thread. I defined a DC troll post here .... LINK
Stupidity and dishonesty, that is the key ... thought it’s not something you should try to emulate. i don't know. I see quite a bit of stupidly and dishonesty in this thread. Me too ... LINK
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