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Post by captainbryce on May 26, 2018 12:57:52 GMT
This is mostly targeted towards Christian believers. Do you believe that the bible teaches that “lust” is a sin?
The reason I ask is because I just had a debate with someone who claimed that it was, and this is the reason why things such as porn, and masturbation, and even homosexuality, and sex outside of marriage was sinful - because they all involve lust which is all involve lust. As a former Christian, I’m fully aware of what the Bible says and what my interpretation of it was when I was a believer. However I’m pretty sure that even then my belief was a minority belief. So I’m curious as to how most Christians interpret this today.
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Post by rizdek on May 26, 2018 19:14:36 GMT
This is mostly targeted towards Christian believers. Do you believe that the bible teaches that “lust” is a sin? The reason I ask is because I just had a debate with someone who claimed that it was, and this is the reason why things such as porn, and masturbation, and even homosexuality, and sex outside of marriage was sinful - because they all involve lust which is all involve lust. As a former Christian, I’m fully aware of what the Bible says and what my interpretation of it was when I was a believer. However I’m pretty sure that even then my belief was a minority belief. So I’m curious as to how most Christians interpret this today. As a former Christian, I was convinced it was a sin because Jesus seemed to make it synonymous with committing adultery in one's heart and that's one of the big ten. Of course the problem is agreeing on what, exactly, lust is. One thing I'm sure of. Christians either
-never "lust"...it's always something less, a normal desire, casual notice, healthy interest, OR they
-lust with abandon and ask for forgiveness each time
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Post by goz on May 27, 2018 2:37:36 GMT
Not being a Christian, I don't really have an opinion on that however it reminds me of the other sin of homosexuality, in which Christians claim that they love homosexuals and it is only the 'act' that homosexuals perform, that is the sin.
Perhaps Christians have this view as well on lust? Depending on the definition of 'lust' whether they see the idea of lusting is as bad as the act?
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Post by maya55555 on May 27, 2018 3:18:31 GMT
gozzy
Why are you so obsessed with this?
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Post by goz on May 27, 2018 7:25:11 GMT
gozzy
Why are you so obsessed with this?
...because bigoted Catholics are.
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Post by kls on May 27, 2018 8:06:03 GMT
It would seem to me lust is needed for the species to continue. That be fruitful and multiply stuff and all.... As for marriage even if sexual activity is seen as something that should be reserved for married couples the desire is what drives us to pick our spouses. It doesn't develop by saying 'I do'.
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Post by kls on May 27, 2018 8:07:15 GMT
gozzy
Why are you so obsessed with this?
...because bigoted Catholics are. Why single out Catholics? I don't know a person in my parish who has ever said eff all about homosexuality.
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Post by captainbryce on May 27, 2018 12:43:01 GMT
...because bigoted Catholics are. Why single out Catholics? I don't know a person in my parish who has ever said eff all about homosexuality. I tend to agree. I think that way of thinking is more typical of both Evangelical Christians and Mormons. Those groups seem more obsessed with homosexuality than Catholics.
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Post by kls on May 27, 2018 12:44:35 GMT
Why single out Catholics? I don't know a person in my parish who has ever said eff all about homosexuality. I tend to agree. I think that way of thinking is more typical of both Evangelical Christians and Mormons. Those groups seem more obsessed with homosexuality than Catholics. I've never even heard a priest address the issue.
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Post by maya55555 on May 27, 2018 19:37:44 GMT
gozzy
I have never met a bigoted Catholic. You are simply obsessed, and that is why you follow me around these boards............HONEY.
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Post by goz on May 27, 2018 21:18:35 GMT
...because bigoted Catholics are. Why single out Catholics? I don't know a person in my parish who has ever said eff all about homosexuality. Previously in this thread I said Christians in general. I singled out Catholics purely in a personal answer to Molar, as a result of her response to me. It was not a general comment.
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Post by captainbryce on May 27, 2018 22:22:10 GMT
Why single out Catholics? I don't know a person in my parish who has ever said eff all about homosexuality. Previously in this thread I said Christians in general. I singled out Catholics purely in a personal answer to Molar, as a result of her response to me. It was not a general comment. It’s interesting how none of the board’s resident Christians have responded yet.
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Post by THawk on May 27, 2018 23:55:28 GMT
There are NO sins. It's not even worth contemplating over lust, even from those hypocritical Christians who claim it is a sin, because the majority would have engaged in lustful acts anyway, even if in stable relationships. Sexual attraction and acting out on it is born out of lust and desire, and there can be no selective reasoning's or arguments to imply otherwise. Heck, that is why many people get married, due to the sex aspect. If sex wasn't on the cards regarding a marriage, I doubt most couples would even get married to each other. This is actually the reason why society is shit and so many marriages end in divorce or total failure staying together for the kids.
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Post by mrellaguru on May 28, 2018 3:13:51 GMT
This is actually the reason why society is shit and so many marriages end in divorce or total failure staying together for the kids.
You mean because people have sex with each other?
This is technically true. If everyone would just stop having sex then eventually we wouldn't have this crappy society with all of its flaws.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 28, 2018 9:41:26 GMT
This is mostly targeted towards Christian believers. Do you believe that the bible teaches that “lust” is a sin? The reason I ask is because I just had a debate with someone who claimed that it was, and this is the reason why things such as porn, and masturbation, and even homosexuality, and sex outside of marriage was sinful - because they all involve lust which is all involve lust. As a former Christian, I’m fully aware of what the Bible says and what my interpretation of it was when I was a believer. However I’m pretty sure that even then my belief was a minority belief. So I’m curious as to how most Christians interpret this today. So, is a person to interpret that sex between husband and wife is not only exclusively for the purposes of procreation, but also supposed to be "lust-free"? How does this work? How else is a guy going to achieve an erection/orgasm unless there is some degree of lust? This is what I would want to know. No, I do not believe that lust is a sin. (But I wouldn't call myself a Christian, either.) And I wouldn't want to be in the same room with a person who thought that masturbation was sinful! Yee-Gods! Just because it is self-indulgent and it feels good and it can be done in private does not make it sinful.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 10:12:43 GMT
I personally view sins based on what they are defined as representations of the imperfections and flaws of human nature, and whether they are considered evil or not is subjective. Though in actuality I don't believe sins exist at all and that the concept of sin is something we convince ourselves of believing as a way of controlling these flaws. From the Christian perspective I still think sins can be seen as subjective based on the circumstance and on the individual.
Whether to decide lust is evil or not I guess just highly depends on how lust is impacting a certain person as well as what it makes that person do. I can see lust as a form manipulation used for a selfish motive just like I can see lust as a form of expressing a genuine interest and affection towards someone.
I think when reading the Bible it should be looked at as a whole and not just individual scriptures in regards to talking about lust along with everything else. If you believe in God and feel that lust is preventing your relationship with God than it might be seen as a sin according to you, but it's not something to judge as a sin for everyone else since lust can affect people in different ways. The fact that the Bible is mostly interpreted by the individual could make even a Christian agree to see it this way.
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Post by Terrapin Station on May 28, 2018 10:19:17 GMT
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Post by Vegas on May 28, 2018 12:19:56 GMT
I guess that there are degrees to everything....
According to The Bible: Drinking isn't really a "sin".... but, being a drunkard is.
Lust, like greed, is just a mental thought... but one that is considered to be the start of a possible path that can lead to evil.
It's all relative to how strong the urge is and how much you act on it... and whether or not your target "belongs" to someone else.
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 13:21:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 13:53:52 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this.
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