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Post by general313 on May 29, 2018 14:49:44 GMT
I guess that there are degrees to everything.... According to The Bible: Drinking isn't really a "sin".... but, being a drunkard is. Lust, like greed, is just a mental thought... but one that is considered to be the start of a possible path that can lead to evil. It's all relative to how strong the urge is and how much you act on it... and whether or not your target "belongs" to someone else. Matthew 5:28 seems to contradict that. "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." |
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Post by general313 on May 29, 2018 14:57:19 GMT
Does the Bible talk about any thought crimes besides those tied with sex? I can't recall any. There's nothing written about the sin of imagining killing your worst enemy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 29, 2018 15:10:29 GMT
Does the Bible talk about any thought crimes besides those tied with sex? I can't recall any. There's nothing written about the sin of imagining killing your worst enemy. Hating someone is tied to murdering them in 1 John.
Apathy is tied to bloodguilt.
Our heart, or desire, is linked to any number of bad things such as stealing, lying, & murder along with the sexual stuff in Matthew 15.
the emphasis one places on sex has nothing to do with the emphasis it is placed on in scripture which is as concerned with any number of other sins and particularly idolatry or plain old selfishness.
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Post by Isapop on May 29, 2018 15:22:00 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this. If a person has to ask for forgiveness for the sin of feeling a lustful desire, I guess he might just as well act on it rather than resist it. Either way, he needs to ask forgiveness. |
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Post by general313 on May 29, 2018 15:51:37 GMT
Does the Bible talk about any thought crimes besides those tied with sex? I can't recall any. There's nothing written about the sin of imagining killing your worst enemy. 1. Hating someone is tied to murdering them in 1 John.
2. Apathy is tied to bloodguilt.
Our heart, or desire, is linked to any number of bad things such as stealing, lying, & murder along with the sexual stuff in Matthew 15.
the emphasis one places on sex has nothing to do with the emphasis it is placed on in scripture which is as concerned with any number of other sins and particularly idolatry or plain old selfishness.
1. How about "majorly disliking" someone? 2. Any kind of apathy? Like not caring who wins the NBA championship? In any case, fair enough, I guess there are other thought crimes (or thought sins). This begs the question of whether some sins are worse than others. Intuitively, it would seem so, and the Bible seems to sometimes support this (the unpardonable sin and perhaps mortal sins). On the other hand, when it comes to salvation, stealing a bag of peanuts is equivalent to committing genocide. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 29, 2018 15:56:54 GMT
1. Hating someone is tied to murdering them in 1 John.
2. Apathy is tied to bloodguilt.
Our heart, or desire, is linked to any number of bad things such as stealing, lying, & murder along with the sexual stuff in Matthew 15.
the emphasis one places on sex has nothing to do with the emphasis it is placed on in scripture which is as concerned with any number of other sins and particularly idolatry or plain old selfishness.
1. How about "majorly disliking" someone? 2. Any kind of apathy? Like not caring who wins the NBA championship? In any case, fair enough, I guess there are other thought crimes (or thought sins). This begs the question of whether some sins are worse than others. Intuitively, it would seem so, and the Bible seems to sometimes support this (the unpardonable sin and perhaps mortal sins). On the other hand, when it comes to salvation, stealing a bag of peanuts is equivalent to committing genocide. There's no reason to grade sins since everyone is guilty of committing them and all are forgivable.
There is one unforgiveable sin and most people aren't capable of committing it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 29, 2018 15:58:09 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this. If a person has to ask for forgiveness for the sin of feeling a lustful desire, I guess he might just as well act on it rather than resist it. Either way, he needs to ask forgiveness. People can be repentant over the thought before the action which they would regret doing as well. |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 16:32:02 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this. Two questions on your answer: 1) Where did you find that definition of “lust”, and is that codified anywhere in scripture? 2) Is your answer based on any actual bible verses, or just your opinion. |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 16:34:36 GMT
I guess that there are degrees to everything.... According to The Bible: Drinking isn't really a "sin".... but, being a drunkard is. Lust, like greed, is just a mental thought... but one that is considered to be the start of a possible path that can lead to evil. It's all relative to how strong the urge is and how much you act on it... and whether or not your target "belongs" to someone else. Matthew 5:28 seems to contradict that. "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." I don’t see a contradiction there. Matthew 5:28 is talking about adultery (which is already codified in the Commandment regarding coveting). It’s clearly in the context of a married woman, but nothing to indicate it as a statement about lust in the general sesne. |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 16:35:45 GMT
Does the Bible talk about any thought crimes besides those tied with sex? I can't recall any. There's nothing written about the sin of imagining killing your worst enemy. Which makes it seem unlikely that it would discuss thought crimes tied to sex as well. That would be very inconsistent. |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 16:38:35 GMT
If a person has to ask for forgiveness for the sin of feeling a lustful desire, I guess he might just as well act on it rather than resist it. Either way, he needs to ask forgiveness. People can be repentant over the thought before the action which they would regret doing as well. Let’s get back to the actual question: Is lust a sin? |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 17:07:17 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this. I don't see lust in that way you defined. You can have a strong sexual desire for someone and not necessarily only view them as an object. What if that lust (sexual desire) was in combination of true genuine feelings for someone you love or care about? Lust and objectification can be connected in some circumstances but that doesn't mean they're the same thing. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 29, 2018 17:19:54 GMT
People can be repentant over the thought before the action which they would regret doing as well. Let’s get back to the actual question: Is lust a sin? That's been done to death.
I'm not interested in discussing that and especially since I would never believe you are actually looking for debate on the topic.
You admitted in the first post that you are just going to believe what you want so what's to debate exactly?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 17:44:12 GMT
Let’s get back to the actual question: Is lust a sin? That's been done to death.
I'm not interested in discussing that and especially since I would never believe you are actually looking for debate on the topic.
You admitted in the first post that you are just going to believe what you want so what's to debate exactly?
Well I find it an interesting topic to debate. It seems for the most part here that people have their own idea of what lust is, and it typically involves connecting it to something immoral but not exactly connected it to the actual definition of lust itself. I think there are negative associations with lust that sometimes people confuse them with actually being lust. |
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Post by clusium on May 29, 2018 18:01:55 GMT
Yes, lust is one of the 7 deadly sins. It is attacks the Commandment Thou shalt not commit adultery, & the Commandment Thou shalt covet thy neighbour's wife (or husband). Rape & molestation have their roots in lust. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on May 29, 2018 18:11:13 GMT
That's been done to death.
I'm not interested in discussing that and especially since I would never believe you are actually looking for debate on the topic.
You admitted in the first post that you are just going to believe what you want so what's to debate exactly?
Well I find it an interesting topic to debate. It seems for the most part here that people have their own idea of what lust is, and it typically involves connecting it to something immoral but not exactly connected it to the actual definition of lust itself. I think there are negative associations with lust that sometimes people confuse them with actually being lust. There is no reason for us to go off of our own definition.
We go by the dictionary version or how lust in described as a sin in Scripture which tends to be more specific.
In any event, nothing is stopping non-Christians from lusting under any term which is why it is odd there are so many threads about what Christians view as sin when it has no bearing on people who don't acknowledge sin.
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
Let’s get back to the actual question: Is lust a sin? That's been done to death.
I'm not interested in discussing that and especially since I would never believe you are actually looking for debate on the topic.
You admitted in the first post that you are just going to believe what you want so what's to debate exactly?
Okay, if you are not interested in discussing the topic, you can GO FUCK YOURSELF, and I’ll be content to discuss the matter with any others here who might be so inclined. Cheers!  |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 18:47:34 GMT
Yes, lust is one of the 7 deadly sins. It is attacks the Commandment Thou shalt not commit adultery, & the Commandment Thou shalt covet thy neighbour's wife (or husband). Rape & molestation have their roots in lust. So does love and procreation!  It ultimately depends on who the object of lust is, and what action is associated with lust that would make it sinful. And I would actually argue that neither rape nor molestation have anything to do with lust, but more to do with power and control. Psychologically speaking, rape is an abnormal desire exhibited by those who seek to control and dominate, and has little to do with normal sexual desire (which lust is). But I’m more interested in these so called 7 deadly sins. Is that actually biblical? Or is that more of a secular idea? |
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Post by captainbryce on May 29, 2018 18:56:19 GMT
There is no reason for us to go off of our own definition. We go by the dictionary version or how lust in described as a sin in Scripture which tends to be more specific. The dictionary definition of lust is “very strong sexual desire”. For the purposes of this discussion, this is the definition we are are using. Now, the bible does NOT define lust as a sin EXCEPT in specific circumstances. Do you disagree, or are you still not interested in talking about the thing you are talking about? In any event, nothing is stopping non-Christians from lusting under any term which is why it is odd there are so many threads about what Christians view as sin when it has no bearing on people who don't acknowledge sin. Odd to you (because ou have an insanely, one-dimensional way of thinking when it comes to open forum discussion). Whether non-Christians can lust or not isn’t being debated, so there is no point in you offering that obvious fact because that isn’t the point of the question. If you want to offer an opinion or argument in support of your belief then do so. If you just want to tell everyone else that we are stupid for having this conversation and criticize us for talking about something that you claim is boring, then go someplace else and talk about what you want to talk about. Make up your mind! |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2018 19:03:05 GMT
Lust (looking at an image-bearer of God as nothing more than an object of sexual gratification) is a sin. Didn't know there was a debate about this. Two questions on your answer: 1) Where did you find that definition of “lust”, and is that codified anywhere in scripture? 2) Is your answer based on any actual bible verses, or just your opinion. It's the definition of the original Greek word (which implies coveting and not just physical attraction). The Bible wasn't written in 21st century English. And I'm referring to Matthew 5 (when Jesus is discussing adultery). Wanting to possess someone for sex is sinful (especially if you've already committed yourself to another). It devalues him or her as an image-bearer of God. Physical attraction isn't the same as "lust" (again, referring to the Greek). |
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