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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 4:50:09 GMT
Yeah, watching that now. L’amour, c’est étrange, but you do some crazy things for company when your girlfriend’s been captured by stormtroopers on another planet. Star Trek ’09. Yeah, um, yeah. So far this kinda feels like a nothing-movie, if that makes sense. And, like Rogue One (one small point of similarity), it feels set on earth, what with this camping sequence and everything. Harrelson and his girlfriend are pretty fun. OK, this Han looks more like young Orson Welles than like Ford. Same rounded face and nose-shape, eyes not exactly the same but same general shape. Strange casting choice. So true. It’s just filling in gaps. Honestly, it’s hard to cast a young Ford. Look at how long the casting and choices were discussed before this movie was really a thing.Oh, I’m sure it is. The movie doesn’t quite feel like it needs to be a thing, though. I don’t exactly mind that he doesn’t look like Ford, it’s just distracting. The Orson Welles resemblance is funny. And Thandie’s blown herself up–real good, as the boys on the Farm Film Report would say!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2018 4:50:31 GMT
What’s weird is that I’m mostly liking it so far, even if I’m not really all that invested in it. It actually reminds me, mood-wise, of Thor: Ragnarok. But, like Rogue One but in a completely different way, there’s just something off to it that doesn’t feel like Star Wars. There's an element of just ticking boxes with the flick. It's problematic. They also, to me, kind of overdo the "explaining"/allusions to various iconic Han moments, traits, and mannerisms. ETA: I would say the Chewie stuff is the exception that proves this rule; that's all very natural and well done, to me.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 4:50:40 GMT
What’s weird is that I’m mostly liking it so far, even if I’m not really all that invested in it. It actually reminds me, mood-wise, of Thor: Ragnarok. But, like Rogue One but in a completely different way, there’s just something off to it that doesn’t feel like Star Wars. It’s an empty movie, has interesting world-building, feels like earth in some parts (like ST, except that was earth!), embraces space in others, takes much from heist/western/Con/underdog schemer films, and the non Star Wars characters are actually better than the Star Wars ones, but it has great pacing. It keeps you engaged, with some sort of heart and curiosity.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 4:52:50 GMT
I like the girl. This Han’s fine so far, just a little generic. Oddly, this feels just very Disneylike, I’m not sure why. Rogue One didn’t feel anything like Disney, but it went overboard in trying to be different (I thought). Is it just the print I’m watching, or is the lighting dark and ugly?This is, in my opinion, a conscious choice by RH. Interesting–why do you think he did that?
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 4:54:17 GMT
This is, in my opinion, a conscious choice by RH. Interesting–why do you think he did that? Han’s lighting and coloring is the dingy interior of the Millennium Falcon, so it should follow him everywhere.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 4:54:41 GMT
What’s weird is that I’m mostly liking it so far, even if I’m not really all that invested in it. It actually reminds me, mood-wise, of Thor: Ragnarok. But, like Rogue One but in a completely different way, there’s just something off to it that doesn’t feel like Star Wars. There’s an element of just ticking boxes with the flick. It’s problematic. They also, to me, kind of overdo the “explaining”/allusions to various iconic Han moments, traits, and mannerisms. ETA: I would say the Chewie stuff is the exception that proves this rule; that’s all very natural and well done, to me. Hoping poor Chewie actually gets a role. He’s always a bit too much in the background. But, yeah, I absolutely agree it’s just ticking boxes that don’t need to be ticked. I’ve never been a fan of overexplaining backstories in these types of movies– Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade included.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2018 4:55:26 GMT
This is, in my opinion, a conscious choice by RH. Interesting–why do you think he did that? It's heavy-handed and something of an oversimplification, but the film generally moves from dark to light. (I know there are intermittent scenes at nighttime, etc., but the very first scenes -- absolute darkness -- contrast in an interesting and satisfying way to the... final scenes... I just think it's a subtle visual trick that mostly mirrors Han's situation.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 4:57:44 GMT
Oh mang, I forgot Paul Bettany was Dryden Vos!
I actually really like him in this standard villain role. His subtle face affect is neat.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 4:57:56 GMT
What’s weird is that I’m mostly liking it so far, even if I’m not really all that invested in it. It actually reminds me, mood-wise, of Thor: Ragnarok. But, like Rogue One but in a completely different way, there’s just something off to it that doesn’t feel like Star Wars. It’s an empty movie, has interesting world-building, feels like earth in some parts (like ST, except that was earth!), embraces space in others, takes much from heist/western/Con/underdog schemer films, and the non Star Wars characters are actually better than the Star Wars ones, but it has great pacing. It keeps you engaged, with some sort of heart and curiosity. That’s pretty much how I’m feeling right now. Empty, but engaging. This night-club looks as dull as the casino in Last Jedi, unfortunately. Have I not reached the parts where it embraces space yet? Heist/western/con is how I would have done it too, generally, but differently. Not sure. It’s not the first movie I would have greenlighted had I been a producer. The gal’s back! She looks a bit like a young Jennifer Connelly. Knew there was a reason I liked her.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2018 4:59:09 GMT
There’s an element of just ticking boxes with the flick. It’s problematic. They also, to me, kind of overdo the “explaining”/allusions to various iconic Han moments, traits, and mannerisms. ETA: I would say the Chewie stuff is the exception that proves this rule; that’s all very natural and well done, to me. Hoping poor Chewie actually gets a role. He’s always a bit too much in the background. But, yeah, I absolutely agree it’s just ticking boxes that don’t need to be ticked. I’ve never been a fan of overexplaining backstories in these types of movies– Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade included. I've never thought of it Last Crusade in that way. I'll try to keep it in mind when I do my annual June rewatch.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 5:02:01 GMT
Colden, what’s your opinion of Lando in this?
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 5:02:13 GMT
Han’s lighting and coloring is the dingy interior of the Millennium Falcon, so it should follow him everywhere. It’s heavy-handed and something of an oversimplification, but the film generally moves from dark to light. (I know there are intermittent scenes at nighttime, etc., but the very first scenes – absolute darkness – contrast in an interesting and satisfying way to the… final scenes… I just think it’s a subtle visual trick that mostly mirrors Han’s situation. Ah. I think it’s also the version I’m watching, at least a little bit. Or maybe I’m older than I think and need new glasses. My problem is that there’s so much mood whiplash that I can’t tell what’s supposed to be good or bad. This scene with all of them talking, for example, is lit brightly yet somehow feels dingy.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 5:04:06 GMT
Han’s lighting and coloring is the dingy interior of the Millennium Falcon, so it should follow him everywhere. It’s heavy-handed and something of an oversimplification, but the film generally moves from dark to light. (I know there are intermittent scenes at nighttime, etc., but the very first scenes – absolute darkness – contrast in an interesting and satisfying way to the… final scenes… I just think it’s a subtle visual trick that mostly mirrors Han’s situation. Ah. I think it’s also the version I’m watching, at least a little bit. Or maybe I’m older than I think and need new glasses. My problem is that there’s so much mood whiplash that I can’t tell what’s supposed to be good or bad. This scene with all of them talking, for example, is lit brightly yet somehow feels dingy. Space pollution everywhere; Space pollution in my air.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 5:06:06 GMT
His egotism mirrors Welles as well. Someone should cast him as Orson one of these days.
I think I’ve got to reconsider my expectations for this and just think of it as set on earth.
Lando now?
Also: does everyone understand Chewie, or just Han? Because “don’t listen to him” seems to imply that everyone can understand him.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 5:08:28 GMT
His egoism mirrors Welles as well. Someone should cast him as Orson one of these days. I think I’ve got to reconsider my expectations for this and just think of it as set on earth. Lando now? Also: does everyone understand Chewie, or just Han? Because “don’t listen to him” seems to imply that everyone can understand him. It’ll get a little more Space-y in a bit. Doesn’t help they don’t show them getting anywhere. Should just be Han. 🤷♂️ Wait til you get a load of this one’s droid.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 5:08:40 GMT
They’re going to bring Billy Dee Williams back for some sequel, right? That guy’s great.
Does this game have rules?
This Lando doesn’t look exactly like Billy Dee Williams, but he’s got the mannerisms and voice down perfectly. It’s funny that they went for that with Lando but not for Han.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 5:10:44 GMT
They’re going to bring Billy Dee Williams back for some sequel, right? That guy’s great. Does this game have rules? This Lando doesn’t look exactly like Billy Dee Williams, but he’s got the mannerisms and voice down perfectly. It’s funny that they went for that with Lando but not for Han. Donald Glover is a great actor. He’s spot on. But what they did with Lando for this film, Is the questionable part. The game has rules, but he’s a cheat. Yep, Billy Dee should be back for IX. 😃
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 15, 2018 5:11:33 GMT
And will Salzmank ever stop asking rhetorical questions?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 15, 2018 5:13:12 GMT
Colden, what’s your opinion of Lando in this? I think Donald Glover is a talented actor who mostly makes interesting choices and tries hard to make the role his own. I think he does pretty well with Han and sort of overall, but the scenes with that droid fucking suck. Like, every scene with her is the worst thing I've ever seen in a Star Wars movie. I literally groaned aloud in the theater at the "equal rights" line.
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Dec 15, 2018 5:13:22 GMT
And will Salzmank ever stop asking rhetorical questions? Let’s find out!
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