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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 5:27:35 GMT
Sounds like it's past everyone's bedtime ! night all ! I'm still up!🌛 But I'm on west coast time. It's only 10:30 here...
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 17, 2018 11:38:34 GMT
So each planet has its own government, but there’s a Galactic Republic that oversees smaller kingdoms? I guess that’s what I’m confused about. Is the Republic like the UN? Yes, I’m overanalyzing this. I just got confused because everyone calls her “princess.” More like the US and its states. I would ignore her title, it is irrelevant. Nalkarj or even more like the European Union with its many cultures, languages and inability to establöish a proper Republican army or taxation system...which ultimately lead to it's downfall,...the Galactic Republic I mean not the EU.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 17, 2018 13:30:18 GMT
RE: everyone calls her “princess.” BUT an Earth Princess gets called "Princess" even when she is not in her own country so would work samesame with interplanetary princesses, yes ? Nalkarj overanalyzing ? On this board ? Guffaw ! <meme may be supplied by one of the expert resident meme-ers> .
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 14:00:58 GMT
Soitenly, BATouttaheck; it’s just that I’d never really heard of a princess in a republic before! But it’s just a Salzmank-writes-about-politics nitpick.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 17, 2018 14:39:53 GMT
Soitenly, BATouttaheck ; it’s just that I’d never really heard of a princess in a republic before! But it’s just a Salzmank-writes-about-politics nitpick. some modern republics allow citizens to keep and pass on old monarchic titles in their names, but these are not vested with any power of course.
The title of Pricess is more to alluding to the pulpy fairy tale and space opera origins of SW, than a thought-through political statement.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 14:43:57 GMT
Soitenly, BATouttaheck ; it’s just that I’d never really heard of a princess in a republic before! But it’s just a Salzmank-writes-about-politics nitpick. some modern republics allow citizens to keep and pass on old monarchic titles in their names, but these are not vested with any power of course.
The title of Pricess is more to alluding to the pulpy fairy tale and space opera origins of SW, than a thought-through political statement. Oh, I know—thus the “nitpick”!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 18:21:16 GMT
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 17, 2018 18:26:59 GMT
pulpy fairy tale and space opera origins of SW sounds vaguely blasphemic !, Tristan's Journal
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Aug 17, 2018 18:27:24 GMT
Did you watch the crap version with the new voice? Ugh.
The Yoda puppet--they did a really good job lighting it. I remember seeing the Mark Hamill hosted special on ESB in 1980 and they showed behind the scenes stuff-and when Yoda came up I thought: oh that ugly green thing must be the stand in puppet they use before the bring out the real one.
I saw it on my birthday in 1980. I still remember the cloudy skies, and the lines going around the block. and the guy with the deformed ear sitting in front of me to the right.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 17, 2018 18:29:24 GMT
@forceghostackbar The re-done voice sounds like Claude Rains … I wonder if that was deliberate ! and if so .. why ?
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 20:06:34 GMT
Now there’s a really weird change. I agree that the original voice sounds a lot better—a (slight) bit of Peter Lorre in there, maybe?
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 20:11:25 GMT
Did you watch the crap version with the new voice? Ugh.
The Yoda puppet--they did a really good job lighting it. I remember seeing the Mark Hamill hosted special on ESB in 1980 and they showed behind the scenes stuff-and when Yoda came up I thought: oh that ugly green thing must be the stand in puppet they use before the bring out the real one. I saw it on my birthday in 1980. I still remember the cloudy skies, and the lines going around the block. and the guy with the deformed ear sitting in front of me to the right. Yeah… My uncle, who was given bootlegs of seemingly every movie ever made, didn’t have the original of this one, unfortunately. Luckily, I thought the movie was a blast, but I’d be interested in seeing the original.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 20:19:05 GMT
So, final thoughts. Well, what can I say? It was great. As usual, @forceghostackbar accurately judged my movie-watching preferences and prejudices—to wit, he was right that I would like this one better. It built on the first Star Wars and improved the minor problems I had with it, all while offering a rip-roaring story and better characterizations. I can’t really think of any major flaws, I just had a blast. Great recommendation, everyone.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 20:36:10 GMT
The Vader-Luke fight, coldenhaulfield? What I found most amusing about it was how old-fashioned it was—harkening back to, say, the Errol Flynn-Basil Rathbone duels of ‘30s and ‘40s cinema. Pure good vs. evil storytelling, with Vader as something of a wizard (better villain than Harry Potter’s Nonoseman—I mean, Voldemort—who seems to have been directly inspired by him). I thought the fight was exciting, involving, and well-shot, with those bright lightsabers “popping” against the duller background. It’s a minor nitpick, but after “I am your father,” Luke’s falling down that chute was a bit anticlimactic, but there’s also this extent to which Vader really doesn’t want to harm Luke (e.g., when he told the Emperor it was better to keep Luke alive, which was a neat clue). The script was great. @forceghostackbar, you told me that Raiders’ Lawrence Kasdan co-wrote the script, and it has a Raiders-like flow and energy to it that I found very appealing. I saw that Leigh Brackett was also credited, though Wikipedia informs me that most of her work didn’t make it into the final draft—but I wonder if she had any hand in the Han-Leia interactions, which seemed delightfully Hawksian (Brackett, of course, having written some of the most Hawksian movies Hawks ever did: The Big Sleep, Rio Bravo, El Dorado). While we’re (i.e., “I’m”) discussing inspirations, something that amused me was how great the Hammer Horror inspiration is in the two Star Wars movies I’ve seen. I’d never expected that, but we got Peter Cushing, playing a variation on his Baron Frankenstein, as the baddie in the first movie, and here we’ve got Darth Vader looking and acting (and marching through hallways) like Christopher Lee’s Dracula. Not to mention the Hammer-esque bombastic villain-music and Vader being [physically] played by Hammer Frankenstein Monster David Prowse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2018 20:59:49 GMT
Let me ask this though, why didn't you just get the original SW movies on vhs, so that you could see the good versions? They are literally for sale, on the internet for 10 dollar for all 3 films combined.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 17, 2018 21:00:55 GMT
Let me ask this though, why didn't you just get the original SW movies on vhs, so that you could see the good versions? They are literally for sale, on the internet for 10 dollar for all 3 films combined. Maybe I will, one day. As is, I didn’t really want to spend money when the library (or, as I had originally thought, Uncle Save-a-Coin) had ‘em right there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 0:21:38 GMT
BATouttaheck Nalkarj Lucas had no idea how popular Boba was until the trilogy was finished. He always regretted not doing more with him so he provided a backstory in the prequels. The voice change was done in the Special Editions to match the prequels. It SHOULD have been the other way around, with the prequels being made to match the originals but... well, it was Lucas' call I suppose. There's a massive fan divide when it comes to Boba with some loving him and others calling him over rated. I fall into the former group. But without that original voice he isn't the same at all.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 18, 2018 0:31:32 GMT
@forceghostackbar All of this about Boba just flew over my head when I saw the films (multiple times over the years) .... I tend to go for overall story and not the details... I have trouble enough with all the MAJOR characters ! It's fun seeing how deeply you all know the characters and the voices and the costumes and and and … a little scary with the intensity thing … but interesting.
The pre-quells I have only seen once each as I didn't really care for them. To me, they just seemed "tacked on" to the originals.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 4:28:09 GMT
The real test awaits: What will Nalkarj think of Admiral Ackbar?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 18, 2018 5:05:52 GMT
The real test awaits: What will Nalkarj think of Admiral Ackbar?
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