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Post by summers8 on Jun 2, 2018 16:25:06 GMT
Lol. there ...you read it. I wish I could do Magneto vs Joker because that is more a levelled debate.
is it a no brainier which is a better villain? they should not even be compared.
Um ...can I do killmonger vs loki , once I get pass the angry black man stereotype of killmonger and how one dimensional he was compared to magneto? afterall he is more similar to Loki..I want the throne thing from my brother/cousin/kin.
Magneto wins this just from these scene alone and I remember every Killmonger scene.
seriously even the levelheated MCU fans like hauntedknight87? is this a real debate here?
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Post by summers8 on Jun 2, 2018 16:30:32 GMT
The scary idea we xmen fans are been forced to accept mediocrity Killmonger who is a magneto wanabee as admitted by the actor himself is shocking.
What is next to accept? Loltron sorry Ultron over future Sentinels? LOL.
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 16:47:10 GMT
The scary idea we xmen fans are been forced to accept mediocrity Killmonger who is a magneto wanabee as admitted by the actor himself is shocking. What is next to accept? Loltron sorry Ultron over future Sentinels? LOL. Ultron had more thematic and character depth than anyone in the X-Men movies. Ultron's views on humanity and their need for saviours also contrasted nicely with the Avengers and their need to protect the status quo without any real moral evolution. Captain America: Ultron thinks we're monsters, that we're what's wrong with the world. This isn't just about beating him. It's about whether he's right. Ultron: I'm sorry, I know you mean well. You just didn't think it through. You want to protect the world but you don't want it to change. How is humanity saved if it's not allowed to... evolve? |
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Post by summers8 on Jun 2, 2018 16:55:05 GMT
The scary idea we xmen fans are been forced to accept mediocrity Killmonger who is a magneto wanabee as admitted by the actor himself is shocking. What is next to accept? Loltron sorry Ultron over future Sentinels? LOL. Ultron had more thematic and character depth than anyone in the X-Men movies. Ultron's views on humanity and their need for saviours also contrasted nicely with the Avengers and their need to protect the status quo without any real moral evolution. Captain America: Ultron thinks we're monsters, that we're what's wrong with the world. This isn't just about beating him. It's about whether he's right. Was this through the omelette jokes or the lack of threat he represented?
was he right? I will say yes because that movie destroyed cities, which is what monsters do but its worse as the heroes are joking and laughing about it.
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 17:08:33 GMT
Ultron had more thematic and character depth than anyone in the X-Men movies. Ultron's views on humanity and their need for saviours also contrasted nicely with the Avengers and their need to protect the status quo without any real moral evolution. Captain America: Ultron thinks we're monsters, that we're what's wrong with the world. This isn't just about beating him. It's about whether he's right. Was this through the omelette jokes or the lack of threat he represented?
was he right? I will say yes because that movie destroyed cities, which is what monsters do but its worse as the heroes are joking and laughing about it.
If you think Ultron made a joke about omelettes, you need your head examined. Also, Ultron had a point about the Avengers and they knew it. That's why the team had no way of stopping him until they had acquired the Vision, a pure being worthy of lifting Mjolnir, and the final step towards the Avengers becoming something greater than they were before. Furthermore, I don't remember any of the heroes laughing or making jokes ABOUT the city being destroyed as they were too busy making sure to get as many civilians to safety as possible... because that's what heroes do  |
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Post by scabab on Jun 2, 2018 17:23:50 GMT
Both were villains were good. What's the problem?
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 17:32:26 GMT
Both were villains were good. What's the problem? He wants to prove the XCU is somehow the thinking man's franchise, while naysaying anything the MCU does. |
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Post by politicidal on Jun 2, 2018 17:42:39 GMT
It's not a crime that they share similar motivations. As for Ultron, I do like Ultron but it's more for James Spader's voicework and his evolving designs. They really force his transformation from a.i. to insanity rapidly which, I get. Movie's gotta movie and get to the second act.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 2, 2018 18:07:08 GMT
Killmonger sucked. Fassbender’s Magneto rocks!
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 2, 2018 18:28:48 GMT
If you compare Kilmonger's performance to any single movie where Magneto appears, Kilmonger was a much stronger performance. Obviously Magneto is going to have an edge if you include all the movies he's been in.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 2, 2018 19:12:44 GMT
If you compare Kilmonger's performance to any single movie where Magneto appears, Kilmonger was a much stronger performance. Obviously Magneto is going to have an edge if you include all the movies he's been in. MCU fans have a right to say killmomger but real film making and real acting is different.
To say killmonger had a stronger performance than fassbender in first class is laughable.
Fassbender was so good in the role there was oscar talk of supporting nod and many mistook the movie for InGlorious bastards. the acting was that good. he showed many layers and sides to him which makes his performance factually stronger even emotional sides like this.
Please...this is too funny. if you change magneto's race the reception will not change. if you change killmonger's race, he is forgettable and another generic 1 dimensional villain.
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 19:35:31 GMT
If you compare Kilmonger's performance to any single movie where Magneto appears, Kilmonger was a much stronger performance. Obviously Magneto is going to have an edge if you include all the movies he's been in. MCU fans have a right to say killmomger but real film making and real acting is different.
To say killmonger had a stronger performance than fassbender in first class is laughable.
Fassbender was so good in the role there was oscar talk of supporting nod and many mistook the movie for InGlorious bastards. the acting was that good. he showed many layers and sides to him which makes his performance factually stronger even emotional sides like this.
Please...this is too funny. if you change magneto's race the reception will not change. if you change killmonger's race, he is forgettable and another generic 1 dimensional villain.
Why would you change Killmonger's race? His race would most likely play a huge part of why he sees the world the way he does. Are you some kind of asshole? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 2, 2018 20:05:24 GMT
Lol. there ...you read it. I wish I could do Magneto vs Joker because that is more a levelled debate.
is it a no brainier which is a better villain? they should not even be compared.
Um ...can I do killmonger vs loki , once I get pass the angry black man stereotype of killmonger and how one dimensional he was compared to magneto? afterall he is more similar to Loki..I want the throne thing from my brother/cousin/kin.
Magneto wins this just from these scene alone and I remember every Killmonger scene.
seriously even the levelheated MCU fans like hauntedknight87? is this a real debate here?
Wait what did I do again? |
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Post by summers8 on Jun 2, 2018 20:41:26 GMT
Lol. there ...you read it. I wish I could do Magneto vs Joker because that is more a levelled debate.
is it a no brainier which is a better villain? they should not even be compared.
Um ...can I do killmonger vs loki , once I get pass the angry black man stereotype of killmonger and how one dimensional he was compared to magneto? afterall he is more similar to Loki..I want the throne thing from my brother/cousin/kin.
Magneto wins this just from these scene alone and I remember every Killmonger scene.
seriously even the levelheated MCU fans like hauntedknight87? is this a real debate here?
Wait what did I do again? Nothing I called you a level headed MCU fan. its a compliment. |
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Post by charzhino on Jun 2, 2018 20:56:55 GMT
If you think Ultron made a joke about omelettes, you need your head examined. Ive rewatched the scene. The omellete line was meant as a joke. The way he says it. The tone of the exchange. The quick reply Stark gives about beating him making an omelette. Thor gives him an indifferent look, because its not a funny joke. That single line destroyed Ultrons credibility and made him look weak rather than sinister. |
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 21:32:15 GMT
If you think Ultron made a joke about omelettes, you need your head examined. Ive rewatched the scene. The omellete line was meant as a joke. The way he says it. The tone of the exchange. The quick reply Stark gives about beating him making an omelette. Thor gives him an indifferent look, because its not a funny joke. That single line destroyed Ultrons credibility and made him look weak rather than sinister. It's not a joke. You're a moron. Even if it was a joke (It isn't), it wouldn't do anything to damage his credibility. He was still completely right about everything and the Avengers knew it. Ultron was never meant to be sinister, He was meant to challenge the Avengers morally, which is why the team all refer to themselves as monsters throughout the movie. |
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 2, 2018 23:31:05 GMT
If you compare Kilmonger's performance to any single movie where Magneto appears, Kilmonger was a much stronger performance. Obviously Magneto is going to have an edge if you include all the movies he's been in. MCU fans have a right to say killmomger but real film making and real acting is different.
To say killmonger had a stronger performance than fassbender in first class is laughable.
Fassbender was so good in the role there was oscar talk of supporting nod and many mistook the movie for InGlorious bastards. the acting was that good. he showed many layers and sides to him which makes his performance factually stronger even emotional sides like this.
Please...this is too funny. if you change magneto's race the reception will not change. if you change killmonger's race, he is forgettable and another generic 1 dimensional villain.
That scene is hampered by some lousy CGI. |
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Post by hobowar on Jun 2, 2018 23:47:36 GMT
MCU fans have a right to say killmomger but real film making and real acting is different.
To say killmonger had a stronger performance than fassbender in first class is laughable.
Fassbender was so good in the role there was oscar talk of supporting nod and many mistook the movie for InGlorious bastards. the acting was that good. he showed many layers and sides to him which makes his performance factually stronger even emotional sides like this.
Please...this is too funny. if you change magneto's race the reception will not change. if you change killmonger's race, he is forgettable and another generic 1 dimensional villain.
That scene is hampered by some lousy CGI. What scene? |
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Post by blockbusted on Jun 3, 2018 10:22:03 GMT
That scene is hampered by some lousy CGI. What scene? That scene where Magneto is lifting a submarine. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 3, 2018 10:32:38 GMT
Ive rewatched the scene. The omellete line was meant as a joke. The way he says it. The tone of the exchange. The quick reply Stark gives about beating him making an omelette. Thor gives him an indifferent look, because its not a funny joke. That single line destroyed Ultrons credibility and made him look weak rather than sinister. It's not a joke. You're a moron. Even if it was a joke (It isn't), it wouldn't do anything to damage his credibility. He was still completely right about everything and the Avengers knew it. Ultron was never meant to be sinister, He was meant to challenge the Avengers morally, which is why the team all refer to themselves as monsters throughout the movie. How was it not a joke? |
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