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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2018 16:25:48 GMT
Oh I thought there was going to be some article somewhere discussing a couple thousand poll results or something....not just fifteen people.... But yeah I suppose with how the movie was just a huge phenomenon that it is going to be open for more of this "overrated" talk. If it had made the same amount of money as Ant-man then it'd be different. I thought it was really good but isn't it #1 on Rotten Tomatoes for the best superhero movie? Yeah that's a bit much, I wouldn't even say Top 10....maybe Top 15. I'd say it made the type of money it did because it had the most heart for being one of the regular solo movies. People responded to that. That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop.
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Post by raiderjedi on Jun 17, 2018 16:32:32 GMT
Its still better than anything put out by DC. Overrated does not mean it's a bad movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 16:34:38 GMT
I'd say it made the type of money it did because it had the most heart for being one of the regular solo movies. People responded to that. That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop. You know that the movie wouldn't make the amount of money it did even with celebrities renting theaters. You do know that the box office is only the ticket sales right? The money for renting the theater goes to the theater. Also, people kept going to see the movie. Celebrities didn't pay for everyone to go to every showing. Are you really saying that celebrities went around the world buying tickets for everyone?
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Post by scabab on Jun 17, 2018 18:58:54 GMT
I just watched the movie for the second time for father's day.
It really is a good movie, one of the better MCU movies and a solid 8/10.
In that sense I don't know if it would be considered over rated because it has a 7.5/10 on IMdb and a 8.2/10 on Rotten Tomatoes.
So it's neither over or under rated. It's rated where it really should be.
It's not a 9 or 10 movie like The Avengers or Logan or The Dark Knight and it's not a 5 or 6 movie like Batman vs Superman or X-men 3.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 17, 2018 20:24:09 GMT
That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop. Would you like a tissue, cupcake? ... or a mop? At the root of all DC-Frauds woes, there’s always some conspiracy at work against him ... be it the critics, refs, scientists, and now black celebrities. It must be real hard work coming up with these endless excuses to explain why the winners and losers of this world do not align with how the DC-Fraudster thinks it should be.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 17, 2018 23:03:03 GMT
That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop. Are you really saying that celebrities went around the world buying tickets for everyone? Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets for a theater served 2 purposes: 1. It artificially inflated Black Panther's box office. 2. Their buying all the tickets effectively served as their endorsement of the movie, which caused more people who wouldn't have watched the movie to go see the movie. Do you think Nike would've sold all those shoes if Michael Jordan didn't endorse the Air Jordan shoes? The fact is when celebrities endorse a product, that usually leads to an increase in product sales as many people who normally wouldn't have bought the product will buy it just because a celebrity endorsed it. That's what happened with Air Jordan shoes and that's what happened with the Black Panther box office. The reason the Black Panther box office was so high was because Octavia Spencer and other celebrities bought all the tickets for a theater, thereby effectively giving their endorsement of the movie and pulling in many people who normally wouldn't have gone to see the movie if not for the celebrity endorsement. People didn't respond to any "heart" in Black Panther. There was no "heart" in Black Panther. The fact is people responded to the celebrity endorsement.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 17, 2018 23:16:57 GMT
Are you really saying that celebrities went around the world buying tickets for everyone? Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets for a theater served 2 purposes: 1. It artificially inflated Black Panther's box office. 2. Their buying all the tickets effectively served as their endorsement of the movie, which caused more people who wouldn't have watched the movie to go see the movie. Do you think Nike would've sold all those shoes if Michael Jordan didn't endorse the Air Jordan shoes? The fact is when celebrities endorse a product, that usually leads to an increase in product sales as many people who normally wouldn't have bought the product will buy it just because a celebrity endorsed it. That's what happened with Air Jordan shoes and that's what happened with the Black Panther box office. The reason the Black Panther box office was so high was because Octavia Spencer and other celebrities bought all the tickets for a theater, thereby effectively giving their endorsement of the movie and pulling in many people who normally wouldn't have gone to see the movie if not for the celebrity endorsement. 1- Again that wouldn't even count for $1,000 to the box office. How much do you think a movie ticket costs? It's not like they bought out a showing at IMAX.
2- Not many people knew that they did that. You really think the foreign markets saw the movie because of those celebrities? Also, if that were true, that would account for 1 viewing. If the movie was bad then people would have only seen it once. Celebrities endorse movies all the time. Have you not seen a celebrity giving an interview about a movie? And, no, celebrities did not buy tickets for all the showings. They most likely only bought tickets for a single showing. And the funny thing is that people get free tickets in contests all the time. And there was only a few celebrities that did that.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2018 0:09:55 GMT
Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets for a theater served 2 purposes: 1. It artificially inflated Black Panther's box office. 2. Their buying all the tickets effectively served as their endorsement of the movie, which caused more people who wouldn't have watched the movie to go see the movie. Do you think Nike would've sold all those shoes if Michael Jordan didn't endorse the Air Jordan shoes? The fact is when celebrities endorse a product, that usually leads to an increase in product sales as many people who normally wouldn't have bought the product will buy it just because a celebrity endorsed it. That's what happened with Air Jordan shoes and that's what happened with the Black Panther box office. The reason the Black Panther box office was so high was because Octavia Spencer and other celebrities bought all the tickets for a theater, thereby effectively giving their endorsement of the movie and pulling in many people who normally wouldn't have gone to see the movie if not for the celebrity endorsement. 1- Again that wouldn't even count for $1,000 to the box office. How much do you think a movie ticket costs? It's not like they bought out a showing at IMAX.
2- Not many people knew that they did that. You really think the foreign markets saw the movie because of those celebrities? Also, if that were true, that would account for 1 viewing. If the movie was bad then people would have only seen it once. Celebrities endorse movies all the time. Have you not seen a celebrity giving an interview about a movie? And, no, celebrities did not buy tickets for all the showings. They most likely only bought tickets for a single showing. And the funny thing is that people get free tickets in contests all the time. And there was only a few celebrities that did that.
The community outreach campaigns and celebrity theater buyouts for Black Panther were estimated to have totaled one million dollars in the US. Just one million dollars. That's a paltry sum considering the films overall box office. I personally participated in a campaign to buy out a theater for underprivileged children in my community. We received a 17% discount on the theater for committing to buying out 2 (mid/late afternoon) screenings. And since the vast majority of the participants were children eleven years of age or younger, we also did not pay full price for adult tickets. (Food was extra though. Oh God, it was extra). If similar scenarios unfolded for the celebrities and other outreach campaigns that bought out theaters it would not have inflated Black Panther's ticket sales appreciably. As for celebrity endorsements, I guess you could say that influenced ticket sales but, a celebrity endorsement doesn't make you see a film two, three, four and five times if you thought the film was overrated --- unless of course, you were the victim of mind control. A key factor in Black Panther's cinematic dominance was repeat viewing.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 18, 2018 0:43:50 GMT
1- Again that wouldn't even count for $1,000 to the box office. How much do you think a movie ticket costs? It's not like they bought out a showing at IMAX.
2- Not many people knew that they did that. You really think the foreign markets saw the movie because of those celebrities? Also, if that were true, that would account for 1 viewing. If the movie was bad then people would have only seen it once. Celebrities endorse movies all the time. Have you not seen a celebrity giving an interview about a movie? And, no, celebrities did not buy tickets for all the showings. They most likely only bought tickets for a single showing. And the funny thing is that people get free tickets in contests all the time. And there was only a few celebrities that did that.
The community outreach campaigns and celebrity theater buyouts for Black Panther were estimated to have totaled one million dollars in the US. Just one million dollars. That's a paltry sum considering the films overall box office. I personally participated in a campaign to buy out a theater for underprivileged children in my community. We received a 17% discount on the theater for committing to buying out 2 (mid/late afternoon) screenings. And since the vast majority of the participants were children eleven years of age or younger, we also did not pay full price for adult tickets. (Food was extra though. Oh God, it was extra). If similar scenarios unfolded for the celebrities and other outreach campaigns that bought out theaters it would not have inflated the Black Panther's ticket sales appreciably. As for celebrity endorsements, I guess you could say that influenced ticket sales but, a celebrity endorsement doesn't make you see a film two, three, four and five times if you thought the film was overrated --- unless of course, you were the victim of mind control. A key factor in Black Panther's cinematic dominance was repeat viewing. That would have to be a lot of screenings all over the country.
Yeah, so many people have said "I'm going to my 6th viewing."
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Post by summers8 on Jun 18, 2018 2:09:32 GMT
there is a line between overrated and cultural impact for people of colour, I think some might be mixing the two.
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Post by dazz on Jun 18, 2018 13:05:23 GMT
No more over-rated than WW was, but seems like DC-Fan is again not understanding what a word means, over-rated doesn't mean bad, means over-rated as in praised/value beyond it's merits, which this was as was WW, neither are bad films though.
Also how many screenings were brought out by celebs? given that the average cinema screen has a seating of about 200-300 ppl, lets say 300 to be generous, even if 10k screenings were brought out by celebs for people that would equate to less than $2.75m of the films over $1.3B box office, of all the things to use to discredit a films success this is just comical.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 18, 2018 16:27:57 GMT
Overrated? Yes. One of the more middling MCU movies?(My opinion) Yes Still a good movie? Yes This shows that even if an MCU movie ranks amongst the middle of the MCU it's still a good movie. This. I put BP in with Dr Strange and Ant-Man. They are all "fine". Nothing overly special, but still good movies worth watching.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 18, 2018 16:49:30 GMT
1- Again that wouldn't even count for $1,000 to the box office. How much do you think a movie ticket costs? It's not like they bought out a showing at IMAX.
2- Not many people knew that they did that. You really think the foreign markets saw the movie because of those celebrities? Also, if that were true, that would account for 1 viewing. If the movie was bad then people would have only seen it once. Celebrities endorse movies all the time. Have you not seen a celebrity giving an interview about a movie? And, no, celebrities did not buy tickets for all the showings. They most likely only bought tickets for a single showing. And the funny thing is that people get free tickets in contests all the time. And there was only a few celebrities that did that.
The community outreach campaigns and celebrity theater buyouts for Black Panther were estimated to have totaled one million dollars in the US. Just one million dollars. That's a paltry sum considering the films overall box office. I personally participated in a campaign to buy out a theater for underprivileged children in my community. We received a 17% discount on the theater for committing to buying out 2 (mid/late afternoon) screenings. And since the vast majority of the participants were children eleven years of age or younger, we also did not pay full price for adult tickets. (Food was extra though. Oh God, it was extra). If similar scenarios unfolded for the celebrities and other outreach campaigns that bought out theaters it would not have inflated Black Panther's ticket sales appreciably. As for celebrity endorsements, I guess you could say that influenced ticket sales but, a celebrity endorsement doesn't make you see a film two, three, four and five times if you thought the film was overrated --- unless of course, you were the victim of mind control. A key factor in Black Panther's cinematic dominance was repeat viewing. The total isn't really the point though. The fact that happened was just an indicator of what was going on with the BP box office in general. It was a "cultural event" movie. Also an "important" movie. Whether or not the public liked the movie wasn't the #1 reason for its box office. 37% of opening weekend came from black viewers. The press for the movie was all about how "important" it was. These are a few examples of many: www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a18242052/black-panther-audience-reactions/www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvelfortune.com/2018/02/21/black-panther-record-box-office-diverse-audience/www.forbes.com/sites/adriennegibbs/2018/02/15/why-is-black-panther-selling-out-activists-churches-schools-buy-1000s-of-tickets/#1e690649dbb0With all that going on, it was kinda painful to watch every white media person bending over backward to heap praise on BP. They were terrified of saying anything that could be seen as remotely negative about it. If you get the "racist" label, your career is over. Wonder Woman got a little of that too so it's not just Marvel benefiting.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 18, 2018 16:56:17 GMT
The community outreach campaigns and celebrity theater buyouts for Black Panther were estimated to have totaled one million dollars in the US. Just one million dollars. That's a paltry sum considering the films overall box office. I personally participated in a campaign to buy out a theater for underprivileged children in my community. We received a 17% discount on the theater for committing to buying out 2 (mid/late afternoon) screenings. And since the vast majority of the participants were children eleven years of age or younger, we also did not pay full price for adult tickets. (Food was extra though. Oh God, it was extra). If similar scenarios unfolded for the celebrities and other outreach campaigns that bought out theaters it would not have inflated Black Panther's ticket sales appreciably. As for celebrity endorsements, I guess you could say that influenced ticket sales but, a celebrity endorsement doesn't make you see a film two, three, four and five times if you thought the film was overrated --- unless of course, you were the victim of mind control. A key factor in Black Panther's cinematic dominance was repeat viewing. The total isn't really the point though. The fact that happened was just an indicator of what was going on with the BP box office in general. It was a "cultural event" movie. Also an "important" movie. Whether or not the public liked the movie wasn't the #1 reason for its box office. 37% of opening weekend came from black viewers. The press for the movie was all about how "important" it was. These are a few examples of many: www.elle.com/culture/movies-tv/a18242052/black-panther-audience-reactions/www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvelfortune.com/2018/02/21/black-panther-record-box-office-diverse-audience/www.forbes.com/sites/adriennegibbs/2018/02/15/why-is-black-panther-selling-out-activists-churches-schools-buy-1000s-of-tickets/#1e690649dbb0With all that going on, it was kinda painful to watch every white media person bending over backward to heap praise on BP. They were terrified of saying anything that could be seen as remotely negative about it. If you get the "racist" label, your career is over. Wonder Woman got a little of that too so it's not just Marvel benefiting. I think the outreach totals are relevant. They may have contributed to a domino effect in viewership for the film but, they certainly didn't make up the largest demographic/audience for overall ticket sales.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 18, 2018 17:20:52 GMT
I think the outreach totals are relevant. They may have contributed to a domino effect in viewership for the film but, they certainly didn't make up the largest demographic/audience for overall ticket sales. Agreed. It was just an example of what was going on and driving the ticket sales.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 18, 2018 17:34:54 GMT
So 9/15 people say it's overrated on a discussion poll makes it the most overrated movie on the spot? There's 7 billion people in the world, most of whom seen Black Panther and most think it's one of the BEST movies of 2018, including myself! 15 out 7 billion isn't even 1%.
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Post by Surly on Jun 18, 2018 23:37:47 GMT
I've said many times that Black Panther is over-rated and now I've been proven right. Most movie viewers agree with me that Black Panther is the most over-rated movie of 2018. most overrated movie of year so far?The tally of votes so far: Annihilation = 1 Black Panther = 9 Hereditary = 1 Infinity War = 2 Love, Simon = 2 Keep in mind that thread isn't on the DCEU board but on the general Now Playing and Upcoming Films board. So the voters aren't DC fans but general movie viewers who have no bias for nor against MCU or DCEU. Black Panther the most overrated movie in 2018? Hah! It's not even the most overrated blockbuster of 2018. Star Wars: The Last Jedi was more overrated. The story and the characters in that movie were a mess! A train wreck!
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Post by Surly on Jun 19, 2018 0:27:05 GMT
I'd say it made the type of money it did because it had the most heart for being one of the regular solo movies. People responded to that. That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop. Sorry, pal. But black celebrities did the same thing for 'A Wrinkle In Time'. That movie lost $80 million dollars! So that's not the reason 'Black Panther' was so successful at the box office.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 2:32:41 GMT
how many screenings were brought out by celebs? given that the average cinema screen has a seating of about 200-300 ppl, lets say 300 to be generous, even if 10k screenings were brought out by celebs for people that would equate to less than $2.75m of the films over $1.3B box office, of all the things to use to discredit a films success this is just comical. Do you think Nike got all their profits for Air Jordan shoes from Michael Jordan buying all the shoes himself? Nike got their profits from Air Jordan shoes because Michael Jordan endorsed the shoes and then plenty of fans went and bought the shoes. That's why companies often get celebrity endorsements for their products. Because celebrity endorsements often increase product sales. And when Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buy all the tickets, they're effectively endorsing the movie. So many people who wouldn't have watched the movie decided to go watch the movie because of the celebrity endorsement. So the box office increase for Black Panther from Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets isn't just limited to the number of tickets they bought but also has to include the millions of people who wouldn't have gone to see the movie but decided to watch the movie because of the celebrity endorsement. So Black Panther's box office was artificially inflated (or as formersamhmd would call it - "artificial boosters") by Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 19, 2018 2:49:45 GMT
it was kinda painful to watch every white media person bending over backward to heap praise on BP. They were terrified of saying anything that could be seen as remotely negative about it. If you get the "racist" label, your career is over. Agreed. That's why Black Panther got such high ratings from critics. Because critics were afraid to say anything even remotely negative about it for fear of being labeled a "racist". And those high ratings which were due to critics' fear resulted in more people going to watch the movie who normally wouldn't have gone to watch the movie if the critics had given Black Panther an honest and accurate rating instead of the high ratings due to fear of being labeled a "racist". formersamhmd loved to use the term "artificial boosters". Well, no movie embodies "artificial boosters" more than Black Panther. Wonder Woman got a little of that too so it's not just Marvel benefiting. Not really. Critics have no fear of criticizing a female-led superhero movie, but criticizing a black-led superhero movie in today's society is just unfathomable and would basically be career-suicide for any critic who does so. If you don't think so, just consider this. People who didn't vote for Obama were often called "racists", but people who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "women-haters".
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