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Post by ThatGuy on Jun 19, 2018 3:13:40 GMT
That's false. Black Panther made the type of money it did only because Octavia Spencer and celebrities like her bought out entire theaters for Black Panther because they didn't want a black-led superhero movie to look like a flop. Sorry, pal. But black celebrities did the same thing for 'A Wrinkle In Time'. That movie lost $80 million dollars! So that's not the reason 'Black Panther' was so successful at the box office. And that was an Oprah movie.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jun 19, 2018 3:20:56 GMT
how many screenings were brought out by celebs? given that the average cinema screen has a seating of about 200-300 ppl, lets say 300 to be generous, even if 10k screenings were brought out by celebs for people that would equate to less than $2.75m of the films over $1.3B box office, of all the things to use to discredit a films success this is just comical. Do you think Nike got all their profits for Air Jordan shoes from Michael Jordan buying all the shoes himself? Nike got their profits from Air Jordan shoes because Michael Jordan endorsed the shoes and then plenty of fans went and bought the shoes. That's why companies often get celebrity endorsements for their products. Because celebrity endorsements often increase product sales. And when Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buy all the tickets, they're effectively endorsing the movie. So many people who wouldn't have watched the movie decided to go watch the movie because of the celebrity endorsement. So the box office increase for Black Panther from Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets isn't just limited to the number of tickets they bought but also has to include the millions of people who wouldn't have gone to see the movie but decided to watch the movie because of the celebrity endorsement. So Black Panther's box office was artificially inflated (or as formersamhmd would call it - "artificial boosters") by Octavia Spencer and other celebrities buying all the tickets. Doesn't really matter how you get into space, so long as you get there. Hee hee hee...
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Post by DSDSquared on Jun 19, 2018 12:00:37 GMT
It is overrated, but it is still a good film. Avengers Infinity War was WAY better and had a way better villain. The sad thing is that Black Panther is still better than the entire DCEU.
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Post by sostie on Jun 19, 2018 18:19:35 GMT
I've said many times that Black Panther is over-rated and now I've been proven right. Most movie viewers agree with me that Black Panther is the most over-rated movie of 2018. most overrated movie of year so far?The tally of votes so far: Annihilation = 1 Black Panther = 9 Hereditary = 1 Infinity War = 2 Love, Simon = 2 Keep in mind that thread isn't on the DCEU board but on the general Now Playing and Upcoming Films board. So the voters aren't DC fans but general movie viewers who have no bias for nor against MCU or DCEU. Using the same kind of evaluation skills.... 10 best and 10 worst films of 20179 responses and Wonder Woman only in one Top 10! Seems EVERYONE thinks Wonder Woman isn't that great Keep in mind that thread isn't on the MCU board but on the Film General board. So the voters aren't MCU fans but general movie viewers who have no bias for nor against MCU or DCEU.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 29, 2018 23:16:17 GMT
it was kinda painful to watch every white media person bending over backward to heap praise on BP. They were terrified of saying anything that could be seen as remotely negative about it. If you get the "racist" label, your career is over. Agreed. That's why Black Panther got such high ratings from critics. Because critics were afraid to say anything even remotely negative about it for fear of being labeled a "racist". And those high ratings which were due to critics' fear resulted in more people going to watch the movie who normally wouldn't have gone to watch the movie if the critics had given Black Panther an honest and accurate rating instead of the high ratings due to fear of being labeled a "racist". formersamhmd loved to use the term "artificial boosters". Well, no movie embodies "artificial boosters" more than Black Panther. Wonder Woman got a little of that too so it's not just Marvel benefiting. Not really. Critics have no fear of criticizing a female-led superhero movie, but criticizing a black-led superhero movie in today's society is just unfathomable and would basically be career-suicide for any critic who does so. If you don't think so, just consider this. People who didn't vote for Obama were often called "racists", but people who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "women-haters". I know you have the bias, but it worked the same for both movies. WW got the "female empowerment" thing from critics and the press. They were terrified of saying anything negative about it lest they be labeled a "sexist". This is the "Me Too" era after all. It helped WW box office too. Notice that people who went to see WW in theaters.... didn't go see JL? If they were fans of the character they would have gone to see her in her next appearance. That's how it worked for the Marvel characters in Avengers. I would struggle to find a way to prove that a single person who was a fan of WW the movie bought a ticket for JL. JL actually opened LOWER than WW did. One would assume that Batman and Superman would bring in more than a WW movie on opening weekend by themselves. Adding WW to the mix...and it opens LOWER? The fans of the WW just didn't show up for JL. Granted, BP box office was more driven by agenda. Black people were actually expected to go watch it multiple times out of some sense of duty.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 30, 2018 17:45:13 GMT
Agreed. That's why Black Panther got such high ratings from critics. Because critics were afraid to say anything even remotely negative about it for fear of being labeled a "racist". And those high ratings which were due to critics' fear resulted in more people going to watch the movie who normally wouldn't have gone to watch the movie if the critics had given Black Panther an honest and accurate rating instead of the high ratings due to fear of being labeled a "racist". formersamhmd loved to use the term "artificial boosters". Well, no movie embodies "artificial boosters" more than Black Panther. Not really. Critics have no fear of criticizing a female-led superhero movie, but criticizing a black-led superhero movie in today's society is just unfathomable and would basically be career-suicide for any critic who does so. If you don't think so, just consider this. People who didn't vote for Obama were often called "racists", but people who didn't vote for Hillary weren't called "women-haters". I know you have the bias, but it worked the same for both movies. WW got the "female empowerment" thing from critics and the press.They were terrified of saying anything negative about it lest they be labeled a "sexist". That's false. Critics were terrified for saying anything negative about Black Panther for fear of being labeled "racist", but critics weren't terrified of saying anything negative about Wonder Woman. Just look at the Presidential campaigns. Any time someone said anything critical of Obama, they were labeled as a "racist", but people who said critical things about Hillary weren't labeled as "sexist". people who went to see WW in theaters.... didn't go see JL? I would struggle to find a way to prove that a single person who was a fan of WW the movie bought a ticket for JL. The fans of the WW just didn't show up for JL. WW and JL were marketed to 2 different demographics. WB marketed WW to most of the same demographic that watches the Supergirl TV series - female viewers. That's why WW was the 1st superhero movie to have more female viewers than male viewers. JL was marketed to the normal CBM audience and not so much to the target audience for WW.
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Post by harpospoke on Jun 30, 2018 19:37:24 GMT
I know you have the bias, but it worked the same for both movies. WW got the "female empowerment" thing from critics and the press.They were terrified of saying anything negative about it lest they be labeled a "sexist". That's false. Critics were terrified for saying anything negative about Black Panther for fear of being labeled "racist", but critics weren't terrified of saying anything negative about Wonder Woman. Just look at the Presidential campaigns. Any time someone said anything critical of Obama, they were labeled as a "racist", but people who said critical things about Hillary weren't labeled as "sexist". Not sure how you missed the same politics with Hillary and WW. We live in a time where a person can't even say they didn't like the Ghostbusters or Oceans 8 movies. If you say something negative about them, you are a "sexist". How did you miss that? How have you missed all the stuff at the Oscars about "female empowerment"? "Equal pay for actresses" "More female directors" You really are missing all that stuff? You can't possibly have missed the political nonsense with The Last Jedi. Any critic of that horrible movie was labeled a "sexist" from day one. Thank you. Like I said, the "female" aspect of WW helped its box office just like the "black" aspect of BP helped its box office. There is a reason why those movies had a higher percentage of female and black viewers than any other CB movies respectively. And it's not "marketing" with JL. I can't think of a way to claim a single fan of WW went to see JL. There is nothing in the numbers that would support that WW brought a single fan to JL. It looks like the audience for WW was only there because it was a "female vehicle". JL didn't have that, so the viewers for WW didn't show up. You should stay consistent. BP and WW both had this political boost. It's pretty obvious.
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