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Post by kratos on Jun 23, 2018 22:49:04 GMT
According to CBR, Avengers 3 is the most successful of all the MCU movies made so far money wise. Meanwhile Justice League actually did the worse out if the DCEU movies.
Marvel and DC are both so similar to each other but DC struggles a lot. Even before the DCEU anything that wasnt Batman, like Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern and Superman Returns flopped. Marvel though had multiple Spider-man and X-men movies.
What is the difference that one can be doing so well and the other doing so badly?
Is it the characters? Do people not like the other DC characters because theyre more other worldly? Is it because they are too dark and depressing? The actors they've chosen?
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Post by femalefan on Jun 23, 2018 22:52:02 GMT
Better casting, better directors, better writing, and Marvel took 10 years to build up to Infinity War and it's unnamed sequel starting with Irn Man.
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Post by NormanClature on Jun 23, 2018 23:19:43 GMT
According to CBR, Avengers 3 is the most successful of all the MCU movies made so far money wise. Meanwhile Justice League actually did the worse out if the DCEU movies. Marvel and DC are both so similar to each other but DC struggles a lot. Even before the DCEU anything that wasnt Batman, like Catwoman, Jonah Hex, Green Lantern and Superman Returns flopped. Marvel though had multiple Spider-man and X-men movies. What is the difference that one can be doing so well and the other doing so badly? Is it the characters? Do people not like the other DC characters because theyre more other worldly? Is it because they are too dark and depressing? The actors they've chosen? That's a tough one. My advice to you is tag DC-Fan, he will know the reason why and be able to give you a good answer.
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Post by scabab on Jun 23, 2018 23:20:56 GMT
It's the planning. They don't have a Kevin Feige.
From the very start with Iron Man they started building towards The Avengers. Iron Man 2 also had Black Widow, Thor also had Hawkeye and even Captain America introduced the Terrasect which was used in The Avengers.
Ever since The Avengers, all the movies built into Infinity War. Slowly introducing more characters and Infinity Stones.
DCEU doesn't have that. Man of Steel only became the first in the DCEU after it was successful so it was stand alone. Batman Vs Superman then threw too many things at people too soon.
Suicide Squad may have had Batman in it but it was its own thing that doesn't really build to anything moving forward.
So you had Justice League where they not only introduced the rest of the team but also had the whole thing with the Mother Boxes and Steppenwolf.
They shouldn't have done that, they should have something simpler like Metallo. Then moving forward they'd have slowly built up Darkseid and the Mother Boxes and they'd have that for the second movie.
Justice League teased the Injustice League when they haven't even finished out this whole stuff with Apocalypse and Darkseid yet so are they can jump back to that?
It's a mess.
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Post by merh on Jun 23, 2018 23:59:31 GMT
Marvel had all their big guns sold off to the highest bidders by the guys put in place after their bankruptcy. This forced them to work harder since they lacked Spidey, Xmen, etc. so they thought more along the lines of comic book company rather than a movie studio. You team up, but to do a team up, you meed characters people know to make them want to buy your product. Hire a talented actor at rock bottom through his own mistakes, not unlike the character you want him to play. Have a tie-in character (Nick Fury & Phil Coulson)
Incredible Hulk reworked a popular character using names people recognised
Sequel bring in another character (Widow).
Introduce the next couple heavy hitters. A god might be offputting, so go the Shakespearean route with a director & actors people recognise (Hopkins, Portman) using one of the peripherals (Coulson) & sneak in another future Avenger (Hawkeye). Set up the battle for the teamup.
Bring in one of the oldest characters in your stable while setting up the object of quest for your team-up (tesseract) as well as future characters (Winter Soldier, Zola, Red Skull) as well as the organization Hydra.
Meaning patience. Marvel built their house carefully, slowly with a solid base.
DC as an outlet of one of the older Hollywood studios approached it like an old Hollywood Studio. Go for the biggest payoff possible. Who needs to build these characters? Everyone knows Batman. Everyone knows Superman, even if they are trying to make him dark like Bats because Bats sells better now.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 24, 2018 0:44:44 GMT
They're paying off the critics, obviously.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 24, 2018 1:49:04 GMT
It's because the MCU is simply concerned about making their movies and telling their stories. The DCEU is too focused on catching up. They didn't take the time to properly develop their movies and characters like the MCU did. They simply threw Batman and Superman out there, hoping that their iconic status would be enough. It wasn't, and now they're back peddling to make things better.
Also... Zack Snyder. I mean, why the hell would they give Zack Snyder full control over their movies?
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Post by kratos on Jun 25, 2018 23:28:41 GMT
Zack Synder made Watchmen which was really well liked by fans.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 25, 2018 23:31:41 GMT
Zack Synder made Watchmen which was really well liked by fans. Watchmen was a flop. It was liked by some fans but the great majority of audiences didn't like it that much. I mean, I liked it... and I was the only one who liked it among all of my friends.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2018 0:00:45 GMT
DC have Batman this makes DC automatically better than Marvel.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 26, 2018 0:03:18 GMT
DC have Batman this makes DC automatically better than Marvel. And it's this kind of attitude that's making sure DCEU movies are crappy.
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 26, 2018 0:18:58 GMT
They have success but not quality
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Post by Marv on Jun 26, 2018 0:42:50 GMT
As other say, MCU took their time with it. They had a knockout in Iron Man too. It may not seem it now but that film was a homerun that instantly made people love that character and want to see more of him. It did so well that even if people were so so on Hulk, Thor and Captain america (which I think many fans were) they were still excited for the Avengers which seemed like a new idea. And that was another knockout. And because of solid writing and structure people can look back on those earlier films with nostalgia rather than disgust. All pieces to a bigger puzzle.
DCU came in and tried to sprint with MCU when they should’ve started jogging first. Having confidence in their own product and ability to make one good movie at a time. DCU just doesn’t have that structure. It’s not about the characters. DC characters are just as good, as well as their villains...but the films aren’t structured well to where they tell one small story at a time while leading towards bigger stories. They feel scattershot. Although I haven’t seen jL yet so I’m just speaking of BVS, Suicide Squad and Man of Steel.
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Post by damngumby on Jun 26, 2018 1:06:41 GMT
They have success but not quality Who has the “quality”? Please provide a few examples.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jun 26, 2018 4:08:57 GMT
They have success but not quality The majority of the general public( movie critics, movie goers, fans of the source material they're based upon) view them as being of good quality, their best films are considered to be milestones for superhero/comic based movies and blockbuster filmmaking alike while their weakest affairs are considered adequate entertainments. Individualized opinions being what they are do not change the fact that the majority of the movie going public hold the MCU in a high regard. And if your attempt an explanation is "they came fer jokes and explosions" I'm afraid you are not in the right to make such a claim given that you've rated other big and tiny screen productions perfect 10's because of violent content and featuring an actress you are partial towards - which is just as shallow.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 26, 2018 6:08:29 GMT
if these is about movies. no they are not doing better. that is media propaganda that favours mcu movies, but thank goodness there are film makers who tell the truth.
Also the best of the DC movies are better and more daring than the cookie cutter childish mcu movies.
lastly DC is superior to marvel in comics, video, games and animation and overall artistry.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jun 26, 2018 6:18:54 GMT
if these is about movies. no they are not doing better. that is media propaganda that favours mcu movies lel.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 26, 2018 9:12:48 GMT
that's rather myopic an observation, Marvel is currently doing better in movies. But only a decade ago they had essentially produced nothing but CBM-flops in their entire run, while DC since decades has been the sole big CBM-fish with Batman and Superman movies (since the 60s and before) that were considered quality movies winning awards.
Marvel is currently the fresh franchise while the old franchises, including DC (or even Star Wars), experience an artistic crisis.
It's only natural, while the CMB bubble lasts audiences will demand fresh yet familiar material instead of old heroes regurgitated - the second and third row comic IPs of MCU were there at the right time. And commercially in this genre you can hardly go wrong with the family- and kiddy friendly- clobber porn approach.
(I exclude X-men, as these are not really Marvel but a Fox-property that - like DC films - has seen lows but also unrivaled peakes: Logan is to Wolverine1 what TDK-trilogy/Superman1/WonderWoman is to Batman&Robin/Suicide Squad).
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 26, 2018 9:17:34 GMT
lastly DC is superior to marvel in comics, video, games and animation and overall artistry. very true, I do not recall ever to have played (or even heard of) a great Marvel game, or having read their comics (besides Marvel Star Wars which was pretty bad still) or seen any worthwhile animation. Whereas, as a comic book sceptic I only have to say Gotham Asylum games (played them), TDK Returns & Watchmen (read them) and countless animation films from DC (seen them).
Case closed.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 26, 2018 10:56:24 GMT
They had some good games back on the ps2. X-Men Legends and X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse are probably the best Marvel games of the ps2 era along with Spider-Man 2.
Marvel Ultimate Alliance, which was made by the same developer of X-Men Legends 1&2, was pretty good as well.
The Wolverine Origins game was a surprisingly good movie based game and probably the only good Wolverine game we're ever going to get.
Deadpool video game(which was rereleased on the ps4 and Xbox one) wasn't a terrible game either.
Unfortunately Disney put a lot of focus into the mobile gaming and f2p, so we never got anything good or decent for the current gen consoles.
Hopefully the upcoming Spider-Man PS4 game ends up being a good game.
There's also an Avengers rpg being made by SquareEnix as well.
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