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Post by captainbryce on Jul 3, 2018 23:16:07 GMT
1) Have empathy! Learn how to put yourself in someone else's place. And then (if you claim to care about other people), use that skill often. Having the ability to see things from someone else's perspective and empathize with their position will give you the desire to help and support them (even if they are someone you don't like or don’t get along with).
2) You don't need "religion" or "faith" to teach you the difference between right and wrong. However, if that is something that works for you, then use it! Use your faith for good, not evil. If you grew up believing in something like a higher power, or "The Golden Rule", or "What would Jesus do", then remind yourself of that several times a day (until it becomes second nature to you).
3) If you are of the secular type, then use what your mama taught you! Have common courtesy and be chivalrous. Say please and thank you. Hold the door for people. Give up your seat to an elderly person or pregnant woman. And try to live your life by “The Platinum Rule”! Treat others how THEY want to be treated.
4) Debate to your heart's content. But don't waist your time "arguing" with people over stupid shit, or trying to change other people to see it your way. Be open minded and willing to listen. Have humility. Accept that you don't know everything, and that someone else might actually know something you don't. Accept that people have different worldviews, backgrounds, and experiences which will give them a perspective you don't have (and vice versa). Learn how to agree to disagree!
5) Mind your business! Don't judge other people just because they look, speak, dress, act, believe, or love differently than you do, unless they are actually harming you in some way. At the end of the day, EVERYONE wants exactly the same thing....dopamine and serotonin! How we get those varies from person to person. But as long as everyone can get them "legally" and "safely", then it isn't your concern.
6) Be the bigger man....even if you're a woman! Admit when you are wrong. Apologize when you make a mistake or hurt someone. And remember that sometimes it's necessary to have a thicker skin, and to let people off in ignorance. And take pride in how much "better" of a person you are for doing so!
7) Rinse and repeat step one!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 23:18:58 GMT
1) Have empathy! Learn how to put yourself in someone else's place. And then (if you claim to care about other people), use that skill often. Having the ability to see things from someone else's perspective and empathize with their position will give you the desire to help and support them (even if they are someone you don't like or don’t get along with). 2) You don't need "religion" or "faith" to teach you the difference between right and wrong. However, if that is something that works for you, then use it! Use your faith for good, not evil. If you grew up believing in something like a higher power, or "The Golden Rule", or "What would Jesus do", then remind yourself of that several times a day (until it becomes second nature to you). 3) If you are of the secular type, then use what your mama taught you! Have common courtesy and be chivalrous. Say please and thank you. Hold the door for people. Give up your seat to an elderly person or pregnant woman. And try to live your life by “The Platinum Rule”! Treat others how THEY want to be treated. 4) Debate to your heart's content. But don't waist your time "arguing" with people over stupid shit, or trying to change other people to see it your way. Be open minded and willing to listen. Have humility. Accept that you don't know everything, and that someone else might actually know something you don't. Accept that people have different worldviews, backgrounds, and experiences which will give them a perspective you don't have (and vice versa). Learn how to agree to disagree! 5) Mind your business! Don't judge other people just because they look, speak, dress, act, believe, or love differently than you do, unless they are actually harming you in some way. At the end of the day, EVERYONE wants exactly the same thing....dopamine and serotonin! How we get those varies from person to person. But as long as everyone can get them "legally" and "safely", then it isn't your concern. 6) Be the bigger man....even if you're a woman! Admit when you are wrong. Apologize when you make a mistake or hurt someone. And remember that sometimes it's necessary to have a thicker skin, and to let people off in ignorance. And take pride in how much "better" of a person you are for doing so! 7) Rinse and repeat step one! Don't pass this along, it may become catchy to ignorant people. |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 3, 2018 23:47:42 GMT
1) Have empathy! Learn how to put yourself in someone else's place. And then (if you claim to care about other people), use that skill often. Having the ability to see things from someone else's perspective and empathize with their position will give you the desire to help and support them (even if they are someone you don't like or don’t get along with). 2) You don't need "religion" or "faith" to teach you the difference between right and wrong. However, if that is something that works for you, then use it! Use your faith for good, not evil. If you grew up believing in something like a higher power, or "The Golden Rule", or "What would Jesus do", then remind yourself of that several times a day (until it becomes second nature to you). 3) If you are of the secular type, then use what your mama taught you! Have common courtesy and be chivalrous. Say please and thank you. Hold the door for people. Give up your seat to an elderly person or pregnant woman. And try to live your life by “The Platinum Rule”! Treat others how THEY want to be treated. 4) Debate to your heart's content. But don't waist your time "arguing" with people over stupid shit, or trying to change other people to see it your way. Be open minded and willing to listen. Have humility. Accept that you don't know everything, and that someone else might actually know something you don't. Accept that people have different worldviews, backgrounds, and experiences which will give them a perspective you don't have (and vice versa). Learn how to agree to disagree! 5) Mind your business! Don't judge other people just because they look, speak, dress, act, believe, or love differently than you do, unless they are actually harming you in some way. At the end of the day, EVERYONE wants exactly the same thing....dopamine and serotonin! How we get those varies from person to person. But as long as everyone can get them "legally" and "safely", then it isn't your concern. 6) Be the bigger man....even if you're a woman! Admit when you are wrong. Apologize when you make a mistake or hurt someone. And remember that sometimes it's necessary to have a thicker skin, and to let people off in ignorance. And take pride in how much "better" of a person you are for doing so! 7) Rinse and repeat step one! Don't pass this along, it may become catchy to ignorant people. Like you? The more the merrier! |
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Post by goz on Jul 4, 2018 3:28:55 GMT
You forgot 'smile'  Hug people  and pat dogs  |
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Post by clusium on Jul 4, 2018 3:32:25 GMT
You forgot 'smile' Hug people and pat dogs Yes, & kitty cats too.  |
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Post by goz on Jul 4, 2018 3:39:00 GMT
You forgot 'smile' Hug people and pat dogs Yes, & kitty cats too. ...of course. We don't want to upset Catman. |
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Post by permutojoe on Jul 4, 2018 4:28:50 GMT
Empathy is a big one. In addition I would add impulse control, morality, and realistic regard for self.
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Post by Catman on Jul 4, 2018 13:07:43 GMT
Must love cats.
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Post by Cody™ on Jul 4, 2018 14:41:04 GMT
captainbryce The bible covers this. Romans 12:15”Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.”1 Corinthians 12:26 ”If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.”Ephesians 4:32 ”Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”Galatians 6:2”Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.”That’s because the current western values of contemporary and liberal/secular society has been shaped and has deep roots in Christianity. This doesn’t work because some people like to be treated badly. That’s why Christ’s golden rule trumps Confucius’ ‘silver rule’ or any other secular derivatives. ”Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels”2 Timothy 2:23Colossians 3:2 ”Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.”Philippians 2:3-11 Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. ...Ephesians 4:2 ”With all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,”Romans 14:1-23As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. ...Proverbs 26:17 Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears.John 7:24Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment1 Samuel 16:7 But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”Proverbs 11:2When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdomAs Christians we are taught to apologise to God first and foremost. That is what leads to repentance. Sounds to me a lot like the bible is a good source to try if someone is looking for a comprehensive guide to being a good person.
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jul 4, 2018 14:46:44 GMT
Does the Bible have any advice on recognising unconscious irony, one wonders? LOL |
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Post by Lugh on Jul 4, 2018 17:30:51 GMT
1) Be a Communist
2) Be a Communist
3) Be a Communist
4) Be a Communist
5) Be a Communist
6) Be a Communist
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 4, 2018 19:13:24 GMT
Empathy is a big one. In addition I would add impulse control, morality, and realistic regard for self. Morality is somewhat subjective though. Everyone has a slightly different sense of morality. |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 4, 2018 19:30:36 GMT
Many religious texts cover it. It’s also covered by non religious sources. That’s the beauty of it. You can learn the same thing from multiple outlets. That’s because the current western values of contemporary and liberal/secular society has been shaped and has deep roots in Christianity. I’m glad we agree; we don’t need religion anymore! This doesn’t work because some people like to be treated badly. That’s why Christ’s golden rule trumps Confucius’ ‘silver rule’ or any other secular derivatives. No, actually it does work because what is “good” or “bad” someone else is for them to decide, not you. If you want to be treated like a fairy princess, then I will treat you like one because that’s what you want. But I don’t want to be treated like a fairy princess because I’m a man. And if you treat me like one, you’re just trying to piss me off. That’s why the Platinum Rule is superior. It doesn’t rely on your own arrogance to decide for other people who they should be treated. It is the arrogance of the religious that often causes unnecessary conflict. Its when you decide what is best for me that things don’t work. Colossians 3:2 ”Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.” Those two statements don’t seem related at all. Romans 14:1-23As for the one who is weak in faith, Wrong. That’s not what that passage is saying. If you read it in context you’ll see that it is referring to other faithful Christians. It does not apply to non-believers at all, and is therefore not reinforcing my actual point (that it doesn’t matter whether someone else believes or not). It kind of makes the opposite point in the end. Proverbs 26:17 Whoever meddles in a quarrel not his own is like one who takes a passing dog by the ears. Unfortunatey, that only covers QUARRELS. It doesn’t seem to address meddling in other people’s lifestyles in general (which Christians seem to delight in). John 7:24Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment How unfortunate that so few Christians (including you personally) ever actually follow this advice. As Christians we are taught to apologise to God first and foremost. That is what leads to repentance. Yeah, but that doesn’t address what I said. You should be apologizing to the people you offend because they are the ones you’ve injured, not “god”. Sounds to me a lot like the bible is a good source to try if someone is looking for a comprehensive guide to being a good person. And for all the reasons I pointed out, it sounds to me like a very incomplete and rarely followed source. |
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Post by goz on Jul 4, 2018 21:52:08 GMT
Empathy is a big one. In addition I would add impulse control, morality, and realistic regard for self. Morality is somewhat objective though. Everyone has a slightly different sense of morality. I think you meant 'subjective'?  |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 4, 2018 23:02:53 GMT
Morality is somewhat objective though. Everyone has a slightly different sense of morality. I think you meant 'subjective'? You’re right. I blame autocorrect (or the 4 Jell-O shots I had). |
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 5, 2018 11:47:18 GMT
We do need religion because the world is often contrary to God. God sets the standards for right and wrong as those who make things up as they go a long will inevitably make bad choices because they are sinners and some stuff that is appealing to us is actually bad for us. but those who put God aside won't see things that way and will base things based around how they feel about a certain issue instead of sticking to God's moral truths regardless of ones personal feelings about certain moral issues.
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 5, 2018 16:56:57 GMT
We do need religion because the world is often contrary to God. That statement is a non-sequitur. Which is basically proof in itself that we do NOT need god. Any argument dependent on circular reasoning fails. “We need god because...god”. That’s basically what you just said, 😂 God sets the standards for right and wrong as those who make things up as they go a long will inevitably make bad choices because they are sinners and some stuff that is appealing to us is actually bad for us. Actully, man made up god and the concept of sin was made up as they went along. That’s why morality is subjective from culture to culture, and changes from century to century. The lack of consistency over what is moral is proof that nonsuch standard was set by any gods. Societies sets the standard based on the majority perception of morality (which evolves over time). but those who put God aside won't see things that way and will base things based around how they feel about a certain issue instead of sticking to God's moral truths regardless of ones personal feelings about certain moral issues. That’s not even a coherent thought. Suffice it to say, the fact that irreligious people can demonstrate morality and religious people so often fail at it is further proof that you don’t need religion to be a good person. You need empathy; which is something most Christians lack unfortunately. |
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Post by captainbryce on Jul 5, 2018 16:57:48 GMT
Yes, #6, taking the high road is sometimes the best and wisest option. As for # 4, why are most of us on here then.  I can’t speak for others, only myself. |
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 6, 2018 1:34:31 GMT
captainbryceThat's where your biggest flaw in what you said is at because once you think God does not exist, one will continue to do whatever they want. the truth is that Adam/Eve sinned and humanity had a fallen nature since (basically sin appears appealing to us and don't 'seem' wrong. but we have the truth of the Catholic church, which is the moral guide of the world, to tell us otherwise) and we no longer see things as they really are. that's where the Catholic church comes into play to help assist people in right and wrong, but since we all have free will, one can accept that or reject it and many reject it nowadays as they drift further and further away from God. just look at the general moral decline of society over the last 50 years or so (hell, even in the last 10-15 years or so it's taken a hit). it's quite large but I don't expect you to see this given you reject the reality of sin. Empathy is nice and all but that does not mean one has to accept sin like the world often accepts/promotes, especially as time passes this seems to accelerate. I think you feel that way largely because we differ in the basic truth that I accept the reality of God and sin where as you reject it. But you need Jesus Christ(who is God) to reach Heaven. also, even within religion, ALL people (outside of Jesus Christ (and His mother Mary)) are sinners. so even if someone is religious or not they are basically still going to sin here and there. but the important thing is, ones tries to avoid sin and work on being holier where as a non-believer won't even strive to correct some stuff about them as they won't even see it as a bad thing even when it is and I think that's especially true when it comes to sex as for a non-believer as long as two people agree to having sex then there is no wrong committed. but within Christianity unless your married it's always a sin, regardless if both people agree to it. basically the sexual desire is where a lot of people cross the line but I assume you will disagree with me here because you don't believe in the reality of God and sin, but sin has consequences.
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Post by goz on Jul 6, 2018 1:46:59 GMT
captainbryce That's where your biggest flaw in what you said is at because once you think God does not exist, one will continue to do whatever they want. the truth is that Adam/Eve sinned and humanity had a fallen nature since (basically sin appears appealing to us and don't 'seem' wrong. but we have the truth of the Catholic church, which is the moral guide of the world, to tell us otherwise) and we no longer see things as they really are. that's where the Catholic church comes into play to help assist people in right and wrong, but since we all have free will, one can accept that or reject it and many reject it nowadays as they drift further and further away from God. just look at the general moral decline of society over the last 50 years or so (hell, even in the last 10-15 years or so it's taken a hit). it's quite large but I don't expect you to see this given you reject the reality of sin. Empathy is nice and all but that does not mean one has to accept sin like the world often accepts/promotes, especially as time passes this seems to accelerate. I think you feel that way largely because we differ in the basic truth that I accept the reality of God and sin where as you reject it.But you need Jesus Christ(who is God) to reach Heaven. also, even within religion, ALL people (outside of Jesus Christ (and His mother Mary)) are sinners. so even if someone is religious or not they are basically still going to sin here and there. but the important thing is, ones tries to avoid sin and work on being holier where as a non-believer won't even strive to correct some stuff about them as they won't even see it as a bad thing even when it is and I think that's especially true when it comes to sex as for a non-believer as long as two people agree to having sex then there is no wrong committed. but within Christianity unless your married it's always a sin, regardless if both people agree to it. basically the sexual desire is where a lot of people cross the line but I assume you will disagree with me here because you don't believe in the reality of God and sin, but sin has consequences. Can you explain how the existence of God and sin is a basic truth and a 'reality', without resorting to the circular argument like 'It says so in the Bible' or 'it just is' or any other such nonsense? |
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