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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 20, 2018 8:09:48 GMT
The only film that can be factually argued better than TDK is Logan. We can see this more in how Logan went a step further to a best picture oscar nom after TDK started the journey by earning a nom in a major category. and this is when we look at the oscars as a chance to celebrate artistic merit not political bs. Also Logan is pure excellent drama the only other films that can be opinionated argued better than TDK is Batman Begins, DOFP, Spiderman 2 and X2. Why? simple. because they were all approached the same way. DOFP, X2, Batamn Begins gets that alone for been extremely grounded comic films. the MCU movies are automatically disqualified because their movies have a disney childish tone, too CGI looking and follow a factory house formula than a director's vision Logan is the closest, but the lack of a good villain brought it down. If Logan had a Heath Ledger Joker performance for it's villain then it would possibly surpass TDK. But it didn't. Still 2nd place still isn't bad.
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Post by Winter_King on Jul 20, 2018 9:18:36 GMT
It's all a matter of opinion. I happen to think that nothing in the MCU can touch Batman Begins or Watchmen and that there better MCU films than The Winter Soldier.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 20, 2018 9:32:23 GMT
TDK-trilogy is rightfully considered as one of the best film trilogy ever made.
TDK has proven to be a beloved classic with staying power, and a great crime movie about the human condition and it's corruption; it's a film with substance and one of the best artistic representations of the Freudian psyche model I have seen.
Personally, I think there are CBM movies on par or even creatively more interesting than TDK, like Watchmen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 10:52:19 GMT
Dude, don't do this please. Let's just appreciate that the MCU and TDK both have done great for superhero/comic based movies But MCU is not done great... How can we appreciate something if it's not true?
Am I hearing you correctly? You think pre-MCU/TDK movies were "movie of the week"?
If that's the case then you have got it totally the wrong way around. MCU are the "movies of the week", especially now when it really does feel like they're literally releasing one every week. They are generic and mass produced.
But before, movies like the TDK trilogy or Spider-Man trilogy were big events. They were exciting and you really forward to them. I wouldn't ever dream of paying to go see a MCU movie.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2018 10:58:17 GMT
TDK was made for adults. MCU movies are not. Its that simple, and because of that no MCU movie will ever overtake TDK unless they change their business model.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jul 20, 2018 11:18:19 GMT
The only film that can be factually argued better than TDK is Logan. We can see this more in how Logan went a step further to a best picture oscar nom after TDK started the journey by earning a nom in a major category. and this is when we look at the oscars as a chance to celebrate artistic merit not political bs. Also Logan is pure excellent drama the only other films that can be opinionated argued better than TDK is Batman Begins, DOFP, Spiderman 2 and X2. Why? simple. because they were all approached the same way. DOFP, X2, Batamn Begins gets that alone for been extremely grounded comic films. the MCU movies are automatically disqualified because their movies have a disney childish tone, too CGI looking and follow a factory house formula than a director's vision It's still subjective, dude. There's no facts to it. There are facts that do say some of the MCU films are better though, such as RottenTomatoes. But no one believes, not even me because it's all subjective. And since when are the Oscars merits of a good film?? They're a joke and meaningless and if you really judge a film based on what Oscar it won and not the actual quality of the film, then you have no argument.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 20, 2018 12:56:50 GMT
The Joker's plan made no sense and relied heavily on everything conveniently going his way. You can just feel the sloppiness of the writing every time he does something.
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Post by scabab on Jul 20, 2018 13:06:55 GMT
Never mind the MCU, most movies in general can't compete.
It's #4 on IMDb, only surpassed by movies older than it. No movie since then has got a better score.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 20, 2018 16:05:08 GMT
Dude, don't do this please. Let's just appreciate that the MCU and TDK both have done great for superhero/comic based movies But MCU is not done great... How can we appreciate something if it's not true?
Am I hearing you correctly? You think pre-MCU/TDK movies were "movie of the week"?
If that's the case then you have got it totally the wrong way around. MCU are the "movies of the week", especially now when it really does feel like they're literally releasing one every week. They are generic and mass produced.
But before, movies like the TDK trilogy or Spider-Man trilogy were big events. They were exciting and you really forward to them. I wouldn't ever dream of paying to go see a MCU movie.
You confuse opinion with truth, you may not like the MCU but the truth of the matter is most of them are acclaimed and are held in just as high regard by critics, movie goers, and comic fans as TDK and Logan are. You may seem them as "mass produced" and "generic" but not so for the vast majority of other people, and they are most definitely big events in their eyes - hence why whenever a new one comes out its the talk of the town and everybody and their mother is lining up to go see them.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 20, 2018 16:10:16 GMT
TDK was made for adults. MCU movies are not. Its that simple, and because of that no MCU movie will ever overtake TDK unless they change their business model. Both TDK and the MCU were/are made for everybody, adults can enjoy them and so can kids albeit for very different and less complex reasons such as just for the very notion of seeing favorite characters in a physical production and interacting with one another.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2018 16:34:59 GMT
TDK was made for adults. MCU movies are not. Its that simple, and because of that no MCU movie will ever overtake TDK unless they change their business model. Both TDK and the MCU were/are made for everybody, adults can enjoy them and so can kids albeit for very different and less complex reasons such as just for the very notion of seeing favorite characters in a physical production and interacting with one another. True. But TDK is more geared towards the higher age groups. The fact it made a billion dollars at the peak time of the recession and not really being a family friendly film is a testament to the films legendary status.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 20, 2018 18:17:36 GMT
TDK was made for adults. MCU movies are not. Its that simple, and because of that no MCU movie will ever overtake TDK unless they change their business model. You think a film about a man dressing up as a bat and going out to fight a man dressed as a clown was made for adults? The fact that people like you exist will never stop being funny.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 20, 2018 19:12:07 GMT
TDK is the best comic book movie but I would say Winter Soldier touches it and Infinity War is close. Nope, Winter Soldier and Infinity War are nowhere close to the greatness that TDK is. Comparing Winter Soldier and Infinity War to TDK is like comparing Johnny Dangerously to The Godfather.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 20, 2018 19:18:53 GMT
We’re on Johnny Dangerously and The Godfather right now. No love for Bugsy Malone (1976)? Who wants to take any bets on what DC-Fan ’s next set of comparisons is? Jaws and Piranha? Raiders of the Lost Ark and King Solomon’s Mines (’85)?
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Post by summers8 on Jul 20, 2018 19:28:13 GMT
TDK is the best comic book movie but I would say Winter Soldier touches it and Infinity War is close. Winter solider could not even top DOFP in 2014.
In 2014 it was DOFP not winter solider that got comparisosn to TDK. Logan was not even out at that time.
infinity war coming close is a joke.
mcu fans have their delusional opinions., we have more artistic film facts-facts on our side.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 20, 2018 19:54:40 GMT
The Joker's plan made no sense and relied heavily on everything conveniently going his way. You can just feel the sloppiness of the writing every time he does something. Interesting comment. I would have to re-watch to see if I agree. It's been a long time. A lot of people criticised Zemo for this in Civil War, but for some reason, Dark Knight gets a free pass.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2018 21:11:13 GMT
TDK was made for adults. MCU movies are not. Its that simple, and because of that no MCU movie will ever overtake TDK unless they change their business model. You think a film about a man dressing up as a bat and going out to fight a man dressed as a clown was made for adults? The fact that people like you exist will never stop being funny. Its grounded so yes, otherwise you end up with a Batman & Robin.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 20, 2018 21:13:34 GMT
You think a film about a man dressing up as a bat and going out to fight a man dressed as a clown was made for adults? The fact that people like you exist will never stop being funny. Its grounded so yes, otherwise you end up with a Batman & Robin. A guy dressing up as a bat is grounded? Seriosly Chaquito, how fvcking tone deaf do you have to be?
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2018 21:15:19 GMT
Its grounded so yes, otherwise you end up with a Batman & Robin. A guy dressing up as a bat is grounded? Seriosly Chaquito, how fvcking tone deaf do you have to be? Its grounded because its feasible if someone had the money and resources to make a kevlar based armoured suit, yes.
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Post by hobowar on Jul 20, 2018 21:16:24 GMT
A guy dressing up as a bat is grounded? Seriosly Chaquito, how fvcking tone deaf do you have to be? Its grounded because its feasible if someone had the money and resources to make a kevlar based armoured suit, yes. No it isn't.
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