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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:14:03 GMT
I miss the old days just as much as anyone, but there was a time and a place for those glory days.
WWF: Stone Cold, The Rock, HHH, Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Hulk Hogan etc... WCW: Sting, Ric Flair, Hall, Nash, DDP, Hollywood Hogan etc...
But when I see clips from TNA of Hogan and Sting. Then I see clips of Hulk Hogan, Hall, Nash doing N.W.O. promos... It kind of makes me feel sorry for them. It's okay to stay fit, and go to WWE events to be a commentator, or special guest, etc... but man, it ain't the glory days anymore.
At least the Rock acts and makes movies. Stone Cold does a Podcast and hosts reality TV shows. They know their days are done, and moved on. Austin actually retired a bit early in my opinion, but still.
I watched wrestling faithfully from 1989 - 2003 or so. Then I stopped watching it completely. I have spent a few months going down memory lane, reliving old matches, etc... Even tried watching Raw for the first time in years.
The glory days are over man. If you like this new generation of wrestling, I'm happy for you. I just can't get into it. And watching old aging heroes from my childhood try to wrestle is sad. I want to say goodbye once and for all to this once great past time. I had fun reliving my childhood for a bit, but today I just went down a rabbit hole of wrestling clips and just felt sad when I landed on a 2013 TNA event when Bully Ray stood up to Hogan and Sting. It looked so bad. At least Sting wears make up, it helps a bit. I don't know, then I saw Hall and Nash in 2014 at Hogan's birthday party.
They had a good run. Bret Hart, British Bulldog, Macho Man, Rowdy Piper, Andre the Giant, Hulk Hogan, Shawn Michaels, HHH, Undertaker, Ultimate Warrior, Stone Cold, Rock, etc... but this ain't my generation anymore. I can't relate to Roman Reigns or Brock Lesner (I did enjoy Goldberg beating the crap out of him in 2016 looking at clips on YouTube).
I just hope Hogan does guest appearances and things like that. It's time brother. It's time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:26:54 GMT
I see nothing wrong with it unless they're taking all the glory away from the young guys (I did enjoy Goldberg coming back and winning the belt though).
Need to build a proper angle/storyline. Protect both wrestlers with run-ins galore. They don't have to take a lot of bumps.
For me it's about the nostalgia.
Take Trips vs. Sting. The run-ins with DX/nWo, the bat, sledgehammer, etc.
It ropes in a viewer like myself. I think I remember that TNA Hogan vs. Sting match you were talking about - funny thing is - Philly was packed for the match at the PPV. Granted they looked old and horrible - isn't that when Sting was begging for Hogan's help at the end and Hogan turned face again knocking out Bischoff?
I can't get excited for today's product. Haven't been able to in years upon years upon years. Granted there's some talented wrestlers out there - they just don't do anything for me. I like Rollins. Owens. Having a hard time thinking of anybody else. Was a sucker for the Broken Hardy gimmick - but 'Matt' is one of those old men you're referring to and I find him quite entertaining.
It's like your posts about the nWo - gives an old school viewer like myself a reason to tune in.
I'd much rather watch Batista vs. Goldberg at next years 'Mania then Finn vs. Nakamura.
But that's just me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:34:56 GMT
I see nothing wrong with it unless they're taking all the glory away from the young guys (I did enjoy Goldberg coming back and winning the belt though). Need to build a proper angle/storyline. Protect both wrestlers with run-ins galore. They don't have to take a lot of bumps. For me it's about the nostalgia. Take Trips vs. Sting. The run-ins with DX/nWo, the bat, sledgehammer, etc. It ropes in a viewer like myself. I think I remember that TNA Hogan vs. Sting match you were talking about - funny thing is - Philly was packed for the match at the PPV. Granted they looked old and horrible - isn't that when Sting was begging for Hogan's help at the end and Hogan turned face again knocking out Bischoff? I can't get excited for today's product. Haven't been able to in years upon years upon years. Granted there's some talented wrestlers out there - they just don't do anything for me. I like Rollins. Owens. Having a hard time thinking of anybody else. Was a sucker for the Broken Hardy gimmick - but 'Matt' is one of those old men you're referring to and I find him quite entertaining. It's like your posts about the nWo - gives an old school viewer like myself a reason to tune in. I'd much rather watch Batista vs. Goldberg at next years 'Mania then Finn vs. Nakamura. But that's just me. Now if it's two old guys wrestling each other, and they aren't trying to be Champion. Maybe it's okay, like you say. I do think Goldberg (if he dyed his goatee) would look Exactly the same. So it depends on how much they've aged.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 18:41:34 GMT
I never understood why WWE never utilized old school talent and used them like old school managers and gave them stables like Heenan, Hart, Fuji, Slick, etc etc.
Flair - could be the JJ Dillon - always wished he managed Ziggler Jake Roberts - who was that dark devil guy in TNA? James Mitchell or something? Roberts was great on the mic. Hall - Carlito's manager Vader - he could be what Harley Race was to him in NWA/WCW
Just seeing some of these old school guys on air would have roped me in a s a viewer and I would have stayed tuned in.
I don't even watch the opening or closing segments anymore like I did years ago - just tune in when I hear news of 'the nWo' returning at the end of October.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 27, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
I don't really watch current wrestling but I can see it from both sides. I guess if guys are way past their prime but they still get ratings and generate money there's nothing wrong with it, but I may personally not prefer that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 19:21:11 GMT
I don't really watch current wrestling but I can see it from both sides. I guess if guys are way past their prime but they still get ratings and generate money there's nothing wrong with it, but I may personally not prefer that. you're an old school fan - i'm sure you've heard of this. if you've got 15 minutes to kill it's great. quite sad - hero's of wrestling. jake, anvil, bundy, yoko, blanchard....... reminds you of the movie 'The Wrestler'.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 27, 2018 19:24:14 GMT
I never understood why WWE never utilized old school talent and used them like old school managers and gave them stables like Heenan, Hart, Fuji, Slick, etc etc. Flair - could be the JJ Dillon - always wished he managed Ziggler Jake Roberts - who was that dark devil guy in TNA? James Mitchell or something? Roberts was great on the mic. Hall - Carlito's manager Vader - he could be what Harley Race was to him in NWA/WCW Just seeing some of these old school guys on air would have roped me in a s a viewer and I would have stayed tuned in. I don't even watch the opening or closing segments anymore like I did years ago - just tune in when I hear news of 'the nWo' returning at the end of October. They probably just don't wanna pay those guys if they're not wrestling. I can't picture those guys having to memorize lines and scripts like they do now. Those guys all probably look down on that stuff and rightfully so.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 27, 2018 19:25:42 GMT
I don't really watch current wrestling but I can see it from both sides. I guess if guys are way past their prime but they still get ratings and generate money there's nothing wrong with it, but I may personally not prefer that. you're an old school fan - i'm sure you've heard of this. if you've got 15 minutes to kill it's great. quite sad - hero's of wrestling. jake, anvil, bundy, yoko, blanchard....... reminds you of the movie 'The Wrestler'. Ok thanks I'll check that out later on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 19:29:48 GMT
I never understood why WWE never utilized old school talent and used them like old school managers and gave them stables like Heenan, Hart, Fuji, Slick, etc etc. Flair - could be the JJ Dillon - always wished he managed Ziggler Jake Roberts - who was that dark devil guy in TNA? James Mitchell or something? Roberts was great on the mic. Hall - Carlito's manager Vader - he could be what Harley Race was to him in NWA/WCW Just seeing some of these old school guys on air would have roped me in a s a viewer and I would have stayed tuned in. I don't even watch the opening or closing segments anymore like I did years ago - just tune in when I hear news of 'the nWo' returning at the end of October. They probably just don't wanna pay those guys if they're not wrestling. I can't picture those guys having to memorize lines and scripts like they do now. Those guys all probably look down on that stuff and rightfully so. Don't you buy the argument though that some entertainers are just allowed to flow? i.e. like The Rock, Cena. I've always believed some wrestlers like them are given certain privileges when it comes to just 'free styling' so to speak. Now I get it's a different ballgame (still PG-13?) and you have to be careful of what comes out of an entertainers mouth - and Roberts, Hall, Flair may be on short leashes and the 3 you'd want least with a live mic in fear they may say something a little non-PC - but just my opinion - you give these guys an on-air role every week - like a mouthpiece like Heyman - I'm sure it would bring back at least some ratings. May not move the needle much - but I'd rather watch a Flair/Hall/Roberts promo talking up his wrestler(s) like Heenan than watch Nakamura.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 27, 2018 19:45:38 GMT
They probably just don't wanna pay those guys if they're not wrestling. I can't picture those guys having to memorize lines and scripts like they do now. Those guys all probably look down on that stuff and rightfully so. Don't you buy the argument though that some entertainers are just allowed to flow? i.e. like The Rock, Cena. I've always believed some wrestlers like them are given certain privileges when it comes to just 'free styling' so to speak. Now I get it's a different ballgame (still PG-13?) and you have to be careful of what comes out of an entertainers mouth - and Roberts, Hall, Flair may be on short leashes and the 3 you'd want least with a live mic in fear they may say something a little non-PC - but just my opinion - you give these guys an on-air role every week - like a mouthpiece like Heyman - I'm sure it would bring back at least some ratings. May not move the needle much - but I'd rather watch a Flair/Hall/Roberts promo talking up his wrestler(s) like Heenan than watch Nakamura. Yeah you're probably right about that. I think that's correct that a select amount of top guys can do their own thing and let it flow. It's just a different style and era. The guys you mentioned would cut the local promos to draw the fans into the buildings and the tv promos to get the angles over that were happening at the time. Nobody ever had to just go in the ring and start talking for 20 minutes to entertain the crowd so that would be kind of an adjustment but I guess those guys could pull that off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 1:54:34 GMT
I think that 50 is my max age in terms of remaining a professional wrestler. A couple decades ago it would of been 40 but you look at guys today and they're able to keep their bodies in insane shape well into their 40's. I credit a lot of this to the time and technology we have today and wrestlers aren't living the rock star type life style where they're drunk or on drugs every night where their bodies dwindle down at a faster rate than the guys today.
I just look at the ages of some guys and 50 seems about right.
Undertaker: 53, he should have retired after he lost the streak to Lesnar which was 4 years ago so he would have been 49. Triple H: 49, I personally think that next year's WM should be his retirement. Shawn Michaels: 53, he retired after WM 26 8 years ago so he retired at 45 when he could still go as well as anybody. So he left earlier but still at a good time. Sting: 59, idk when he should have retired honestly because I didn't really follow his career so no idea what his stuff was like in TNA but I am glad he got a moment in WWE at a WrestleMania despite my dislike for the match itself. Kane: 51, should of retired a while ago. The last time he was really relevant in wrestling was what? 4 or 5 years ago with The Authority angle? Goldberg: 51, I think he had a good return with his feud with Lesnar and he looked good in that short stint but in my mind that should be it. Bautista: 49, maybe he has one short stint left in him in my mind. Not that I really care to see it though. AJ Styles: 41, probably has nearly a decade left in him if he desires. John Cena: 41, same as Styles.
Then you've got the guys like who are just far and beyond when they should have retired for good. None of them should have another match in wrestling again. Would just look too pathetic. Hogan: 65 Flair: 69 Nash: 59 Hall: 59
So yeah, in todays world of wrestling I think 50 is really the time one should be hanging them up at max.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 28, 2018 3:02:33 GMT
The way most of these guys work now, most of them wouldn't come close to lasting till 50.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 3:26:21 GMT
The way most of these guys work now, most of them wouldn't come close to lasting till 50. Not sure who specifically you're talking about. However I think it depends on the guy. Some would possibly have to change up there move sets I'm sure but could still go. From what I see on the Indy scene I'd agree with you because the stuff I see them doing is extremely dangerous because they're constantly trying to out high spot one another instead of putting on a good story driven match. So the guys that are constantly just doing the flashy flips and such won't last long into their 40's. Once you get to WWE however they run a much safer environment so I could see guys like AJ Styles going until he's 50 if he wants to. If Shane McMahon at age 48 can leap off the top rope and do his coast to coast move then I think somebody like AJ Styles who is actually a trained professional wrestler can be just fine doing his top rope stuff.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 28, 2018 17:41:33 GMT
The way most of these guys work now, most of them wouldn't come close to lasting till 50. Not sure who specifically you're talking about. However I think it depends on the guy. Some would possibly have to change up there move sets I'm sure but could still go. From what I see on the Indy scene I'd agree with you because the stuff I see them doing is extremely dangerous because they're constantly trying to out high spot one another instead of putting on a good story driven match. So the guys that are constantly just doing the flashy flips and such won't last long into their 40's. Once you get to WWE however they run a much safer environment so I could see guys like AJ Styles going until he's 50 if he wants to. If Shane McMahon at age 48 can leap off the top rope and do his coast to coast move then I think somebody like AJ Styles who is actually a trained professional wrestler can be just fine doing his top rope stuff. You'd know better than me about the wwe, but from what I've seen in the last several years it's still a much more physical style than it was in year's past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2018 23:30:50 GMT
Not sure who specifically you're talking about. However I think it depends on the guy. Some would possibly have to change up there move sets I'm sure but could still go. From what I see on the Indy scene I'd agree with you because the stuff I see them doing is extremely dangerous because they're constantly trying to out high spot one another instead of putting on a good story driven match. So the guys that are constantly just doing the flashy flips and such won't last long into their 40's. Once you get to WWE however they run a much safer environment so I could see guys like AJ Styles going until he's 50 if he wants to. If Shane McMahon at age 48 can leap off the top rope and do his coast to coast move then I think somebody like AJ Styles who is actually a trained professional wrestler can be just fine doing his top rope stuff. You'd know better than me about the wwe, but from what I've seen in the last several years it's still a much more physical style than it was in year's past. i'd say more athletic - i.e. spot monkeys who bounce around the ring - i.e. vanilla midgets - don't know about 'physical'
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Post by Jayman on Aug 29, 2018 1:02:49 GMT
You'd know better than me about the wwe, but from what I've seen in the last several years it's still a much more physical style than it was in year's past. i'd say more athletic - i.e. spot monkeys who bounce around the ring - i.e. vanilla midgets - don't know about 'physical' vanilla midgets
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Post by PreachCaleb on Aug 29, 2018 15:55:49 GMT
This is unfortunately very sad. I remember Super Star Billy Graham still trying to be relevant in the 80s. I remember a past-his-prime Jake the Snake trying to keep up with guys in the 90s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 22:52:21 GMT
This is unfortunately very sad. I remember Super Star Billy Graham still trying to be relevant in the 80s. I remember a past-his-prime Jake the Snake trying to keep up with guys in the 90s. I felt so bad for Jake the Snake after Austin beat him in King of the Ring. Then again, it lead to the famous Austin 3:16 speech. But still. I remember feeling bad for him.
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Post by Jayman on Aug 29, 2018 23:00:21 GMT
Jake could still go though. He just had a huge gut.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 2:02:01 GMT
This is unfortunately very sad. I remember Super Star Billy Graham still trying to be relevant in the 80s. I remember a past-his-prime Jake the Snake trying to keep up with guys in the 90s. I felt so bad for Jake the Snake after Austin beat him in King of the Ring. Then again, it lead to the famous Austin 3:16 speech. But still. I remember feeling bad for him. I remember feeling bad for Jake during his feud with Lawler where Lawler kept bringing up his alcohol abuse and if I remember right would pour what assume was fake alcohol on him. I was a kid at the time but I remember thinking it was fucked up but not knowing why. Looking back at it now it's just really sickening.
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