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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2018 13:07:03 GMT
There was no proof of his crime. Yes, there is a reason to believe Tywin went Rambo since his son got abducted. When Jaime met Eddard in the city that was told to him as well. There was as much proof of the crime as any other at the start of a trial. His son was arrested and he had several channels to deal with it and chose the battle option not to mention the flat out plunder of lands prior to starting the war. He was wanting to teach a lesson and especially since it involved Ned. Nopes. It was pushed to extent of war by impulsive behaviour of Catelyn. Without her doing so things wouldn't have escalated like that. There was no "proof" of Tyrion doing anything. In reality he didn't do whatever he was charged about. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 25, 2018 13:10:21 GMT
There was as much proof of the crime as any other at the start of a trial. His son was arrested and he had several channels to deal with it and chose the battle option not to mention the flat out plunder of lands prior to starting the war. He was wanting to teach a lesson and especially since it involved Ned. Nopes. It was pushed to extent of war by impulsive behaviour of Catelyn. Without her doing so things wouldn't have escalated like that. There was no "proof" of Tyrion doing anything. In reality he didn't do whatever he was charged about. lol |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2018 13:11:25 GMT
Nopes. It was pushed to extent of war by impulsive behaviour of Catelyn. Without her doing so things wouldn't have escalated like that. There was no "proof" of Tyrion doing anything. In reality he didn't do whatever he was charged about. lol Lol. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 25, 2018 13:12:45 GMT
exactly There’s only so much time this argument is worth. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2018 13:15:23 GMT
exactly There’s only so much time this argument is worth. Yeah, for those who don't have an argument remaining. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 25, 2018 19:04:00 GMT
exactly There’s only so much time this argument is worth. Yeah, for those who don't have an argument remaining. Yeah, keep saying that for as long as you only say "Derp, Cat doesn't have the right to arrest people in her kingdom" Like I've said before, nothing is going to stop you from thinking your right even when you are blatantly wrong. It's fun enough to talk to you but it is a flaw in your personality. Rather than move on to a new part of the argument (After all who started the war and how much blame is placed on who is an endless game), you actually think you win arguments by devolving it down to " Nope you're wrong". It's lol worthy. |
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 25, 2018 19:07:30 GMT
Yeah, for those who don't have an argument remaining. Yeah, keep saying that for as long as you only say "Derp, Cat doesn't have the right to arrest people in her kingdom" Like I've said before, nothing is going to stop you from thinking your right even when you are blatantly wrong. It's fun enough to talk to you but it is a flaw in your personality. Rather than move on to a new part of the argument (After all who started the war and how much blame is placed on who is an endless game), you actually think you win arguments by devolving it down to " Nope you're wrong". It's lol worthy. Your stupidity that you just kidnap someone who is son of such a powerful family and expect no retaliation is nothing short of laugh worthy. Keep holding to your mediocrity. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 26, 2018 11:42:32 GMT
good question AJ im very conflicted about catelyn stark , i absolutely hated how she treated jon her "stepson" , cat loved ned so despite how jon came to be or what she was led to believe who he was neds bastard son , i will never understand how she could despise a son of neds so much? and i also didnt like how ned let this go on , those times women obeyed their husbands wishes and couldnt he tell her that was not acceptable behavior and jon was his son and will be part of this family including events like the one they had when king robert visited with his family jon was thrown out like a servant/stable boy ,and was seated in back of tables, and i wonder if indeed jon was neds true bastard son if he would have let this cold treatment from catelyn go on? i highly doubt it , i guess him knowing it was only his nephew he kept mum.I blame ned as much as i do cat. Ned was wrong not telling catelyn but i dont think he trusted her crazy family ( sister Liza) we all know she was the cause of starks/lannisters feud before that their common enemy was the targaryens, they lived in peace with the lannisters for number of years co-existing , correct me if im wrong. I dont understand how some women treat stepchildren that way, they are innocent , jon was innocent, or could have been a mothers intuition jon being unintentionally cause of her family deaths to come she always looked at him with so much hatred ,but i do think catelyn was remorseful for her treatment of jon thats how i understood her conversation with Talisa . Cat was a good mother to her own children sometimes hovering over too much like her meddling with rob/talisa relationship but she was a good mother and did all she could to protect her children , blood/biology doesnt always make a family ,Love does and i would have liked catelyn more if she had accepted jon as one of her own. I think jon wanted catelyn to love him like a son ,i think he cared for her despite her awful treatment of him , sansa looks a lot like her mother im sorry to be making this connection but if jonsa theory does happen , jon will be loved by a stark woman who resembled a lot someone who hated him , that would be karma or irony i think it was very sympolic when jon and sansa reunited sansa apologized to jon for treating him badly ( something her mother did all the time) and i think sansa now realizes her mothers treatment of jon was unjust , and she wants to fix it accepting jon , "you are a stark to me" Good points. As I said her treatment of Jon was definitely unfair and verging on cruelty. One of the reasons for that might have been how she might have been hurt badly by the fact that her husband proved infidel (not that he actually was). Remember that in the books it is suggested that Catelyn was not a sort of woman who would have ever liked Eddard as her husband in her young days. Eddard is described as being very simple. His brother on the contrary was more what a typical Catelyn type woman would want. He was taller and handsomer than Ned. But Ned was known very highly for one thing. His honour. Even when he and Robert were prodigies of Joan Arryn, it was known that Eddard was a very simple man and didn't go around philandering like Robert did. So the only big thing after loss of her would be husband (Ned's brother) was that she was to be married to an honourable man. But discovering that he was infidel to her would have been a lot to take. Also see how much she would have to compromise her dreams in getting along with a stern person like Ned. I mean unlike his brother who was boisterous and exciting, Ned kept to Winterfell all the time. In terms of personal character when it comes to treatment of one's wife Ned was like Tywin and Randyll Tarly. Both Tywin and Randyll loved their wife and were stern people who didn't go on having relations with other women. Well tywin eventually did get in relation with Shae perhaps. i really think tywin had relations with shae just to hurt tyrion and get back to him and shae probably went with tyrions father for same reasons because she was jealous of tyrion marrying sansa even though he didnt even touch sansa and shae knew they didnt consummate thier marriage she got pissed because tyrion rejected her in the end , sorry just not a big fan of shae i liked her long enough when she was protecting sansa but she had an awful personality and biggest traitor to tyrion. I hope if GOT ever goes back in time to cover all these relationships between cat/ned/his brother will be interesting to watch  |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 26, 2018 11:44:49 GMT
Ned was wrong not telling catelyn … I dont understand how some women treat stepchildren that way, they are innocent , jon was innocent, Terrible writing by a man who has the mentality of a 15 year old, paints the world only in crude extremes and always cranks everything up to 11. LOLOLOL i guess so , really some chapters in first book i read first of grossed me out second it does sound like a 12 year old wrote it LOL |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 26, 2018 12:34:59 GMT
i really think tywin had relations with shae just to hurt tyrion and get back to him and shae probably went with tyrions father for same reasons because she was jealous of tyrion marrying sansa … It is simpler than that. In the show, Shae was captured when the harbour was blocked. She was then brought to Tywin and realised the best she could do was to "fuck her way out of it". For this, she first had to give Tywin what he really wanted and that was a credible testimony. She knew she would be questioned anyway, so better avoid torture. It's not like anyone would have cared about damaging a whore. Tyrion had sent her away, now he was the reason she was in danger of being "questioned" to death. That wasn't so much treason as mere survival. Tywin then just used her services. Why not? He never reproached Tyrion to use whores, more to attach himself to them. He forbade him to take her to court in S1, to show himself with her. What Tyrion did in private was not his concern. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 26, 2018 12:54:04 GMT
Good points. As I said her treatment of Jon was definitely unfair and verging on cruelty. One of the reasons for that might have been how she might have been hurt badly by the fact that her husband proved infidel (not that he actually was). Remember that in the books it is suggested that Catelyn was not a sort of woman who would have ever liked Eddard as her husband in her young days. Eddard is described as being very simple. His brother on the contrary was more what a typical Catelyn type woman would want. He was taller and handsomer than Ned. But Ned was known very highly for one thing. His honour. Even when he and Robert were prodigies of Joan Arryn, it was known that Eddard was a very simple man and didn't go around philandering like Robert did. So the only big thing after loss of her would be husband (Ned's brother) was that she was to be married to an honourable man. But discovering that he was infidel to her would have been a lot to take. Also see how much she would have to compromise her dreams in getting along with a stern person like Ned. I mean unlike his brother who was boisterous and exciting, Ned kept to Winterfell all the time. In terms of personal character when it comes to treatment of one's wife Ned was like Tywin and Randyll Tarly. Both Tywin and Randyll loved their wife and were stern people who didn't go on having relations with other women. Well tywin eventually did get in relation with Shae perhaps. i really think tywin had relations with shae just to hurt tyrion and get back to him and shae probably went with tyrions father for same reasons because she was jealous of tyrion marrying sansa even though he didnt even touch sansa and shae knew they didnt consummate thier marriage she got pissed because tyrion rejected her in the end , sorry just not a big fan of shae i liked her long enough when she was protecting sansa but she had an awful personality and biggest traitor to tyrion. I hope if GOT ever goes back in time to cover all these relationships between cat/ned/his brother will be interesting to watch In the book she was much more hooker like so it was easier to see. The show painted her as a woman scorned which was silly, but dangit if it wasn't effective for the kill shot. The book did a better job of showing how weak Tyrion was in regards to women. He's almost like Jorah except it isn't the princess that appeals to him. I don't think Tywin did this to hurt Tyrion since Tyrion would never know. I think the point of the scene was to show Tywin didn't follow the same standards expected of his children. I do think Varys led him there in order to ensure he switched sides. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 26, 2018 13:36:42 GMT
I think the point of the scene was to show Tywin didn't follow the same standards expected of his children. No true. Tyrion's attachment to a whore was the failure, not his using one. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 26, 2018 14:08:32 GMT
I think the point of the scene was to show Tywin didn't follow the same standards expected of his children. No true. Tyrion's attachment to a whore was the failure, not his using one. Tywin definitely had a no hooker policy for Tyrion. It was the whole reason he couldn't acknowledge Shae even as a hooker and couldn't visit brothels despite everyone else going to them. Tyrion had been with scores of hookers and not fallen in love. |
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 26, 2018 15:01:40 GMT
No true. Tyrion's attachment to a whore was the failure, not his using one. Tywin definitely had a no hooker policy for Tyrion. It was the whole reason he couldn't acknowledge Shae even as a hooker and couldn't visit brothels despite everyone else going to them. Tyrion had been with scores of hookers and not fallen in love. Absolutely not. Tywin, S1E10: "You will not take the whore to court." S3E01: "You brought a whore into my bed." "But neither gods nor men will ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse." Cersei, S4E06: "I discovered he'd been keeping whores in the Tower of the Hand. I asked him to confine his salacious acts to the brothel where such behaviour belongs." Each time there is an emphasis not on what Tyrion does but where he does it. Tywin doesn't tell Tyrion to stay away from whores but not to bring one to court. Cersei does not speak for Tywin at the trial but she speaks in front of him and knows how he thinks (besides thinking a lot like him anyway). Book readers will see here the ghost of Tywin's father coming to haunt him, who let himself be ruled by a woman of low birth. |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 26, 2018 17:01:23 GMT
i really think tywin had relations with shae just to hurt tyrion and get back to him and shae probably went with tyrions father for same reasons because she was jealous of tyrion marrying sansa even though he didnt even touch sansa and shae knew they didnt consummate thier marriage she got pissed because tyrion rejected her in the end , sorry just not a big fan of shae i liked her long enough when she was protecting sansa but she had an awful personality and biggest traitor to tyrion. I hope if GOT ever goes back in time to cover all these relationships between cat/ned/his brother will be interesting to watch In the book she was much more hooker like so it was easier to see. The show painted her as a woman scorned which was silly, but dangit if it wasn't effective for the kill shot. The book did a better job of showing how weak Tyrion was in regards to women. He's almost like Jorah except it isn't the princess that appeals to him. I don't think Tywin did this to hurt Tyrion since Tyrion would never know. I think the point of the scene was to show Tywin didn't follow the same standards expected of his children. I do think Varys led him there in order to ensure he switched sides. exactly he doesnt like the decent princess kind this is why this tyrion/sansa union will never happen .There were times when i thought Tywin and tyrion reached an understanding especially when he put tyrion in charge , i mean why would he believe tyrion/sansa killed joffrey with so many enemies the lannisters had? |
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Post by jon snow loves sansa on Sept 26, 2018 17:03:26 GMT
i really think tywin had relations with shae just to hurt tyrion and get back to him and shae probably went with tyrions father for same reasons because she was jealous of tyrion marrying sansa … It is simpler than that. In the show, Shae was captured when the harbour was blocked. She was then brought to Tywin and realised the best she could do was to "fuck her way out of it". For this, she first had to give Tywin what he really wanted and that was a credible testimony. She knew she would be questioned anyway, so better avoid torture. It's not like anyone would have cared about damaging a whore. Tyrion had sent her away, now he was the reason she was in danger of being "questioned" to death. That wasn't so much treason as mere survival. Tywin then just used her services. Why not? He never reproached Tyrion to use whores, more to attach himself to them. He forbade him to take her to court in S1, to show himself with her. What Tyrion did in private was not his concern. i cant blame tywin for asking that of him , especially since she turned out to be a real skank i really disliked her character |
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Post by Seto on Oct 9, 2018 9:32:48 GMT
Thank God Ehle wasn't free. I can't stand her. I feel she ruins any show she appears in.  |
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