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Post by Aj_June on Sept 24, 2018 20:43:06 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books.
I used to criticise her so much. I think I shouldn't have judged her so harshly. Yeah, she was resentful towards Jon but that's not all she was. She was a caring wife and a loving mother.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 24, 2018 20:51:28 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books.
I used to criticise her so much. I think I shouldn't have judged her so harshly. Yeah, she was resentful towards Jon but that's not all she was. She was a caring wife and a loving mother.
It's been a long time since I saw her episodes. I remember thinking the character was very well acted. I saw her on "24" and she wasn't nearly as good. I also remember the ongoing debate about whether or not "Lady Stoneheart" would be on the TV show. Many *SPOILERS* said she would!
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 24, 2018 20:53:16 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books.
I used to criticise her so much. I think I shouldn't have judged her so harshly. Yeah, she was resentful towards Jon but that's not all she was. She was a caring wife and a loving mother.
It's been a long time since I saw her episodes. I remember thinking the character was very well acted. I saw her on "24" and she wasn't nearly as good. I also remember the ongoing debate about whether or not "Lady Stoneheart" would be on the TV show. Many *SPOILERS* said she would! I remember Martin said that it was not a good idea to leave Lady Stoneheart.. Can't say if she would appear or not. But I agree with you her part was well acted.
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Post by Marv on Sept 24, 2018 20:54:35 GMT
In my head it’s hard to separate book Cat and show Cat at this point, but aside from her attitude toward Jon I always thought she was a fairly strong woman and a caring wife and mother. You could say she acted rashly at times and you wouldn’t be wrong but overall I didn’t have much problem with her.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 24, 2018 20:57:40 GMT
It's been a long time since I saw her episodes. I remember thinking the character was very well acted. I saw her on "24" and she wasn't nearly as good. I also remember the ongoing debate about whether or not "Lady Stoneheart" would be on the TV show. Many *SPOILERS* said she would! I remember Martin said that it was not a good idea to leave Lady Stoneheart.. Can't say if she would appear or not. But I agree with you her part was well acted. My theory is they did not show LS or a revived-from-the-dead-Mountain ( the one on TV never actually died ) in order to make Jon Snow's resurrection seem a little bit more "unique" and "special" Too bad they had already told Beric's background!
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Post by Nightman on Sept 24, 2018 22:48:33 GMT
I acknowledge that she is a well-written character, but she is unintelligent and her actions caused the war. Worst of all, she has no personality.
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Post by Aj_June on Sept 24, 2018 22:56:18 GMT
I acknowledge that she is a well-written character, but she is unintelligent and her actions caused the war. Worst of all, she has no personality. I do agree that her hasty actions did led to war. That said she was a well meaning person in herself. Do think that she exerted a significant influence at least on Lord Stark and to some extent on Sansa.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Sept 24, 2018 23:25:45 GMT
I sympathized with her since she was very intelligent and also mentally ill.
Plus she was married to that big fat liar Ned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 0:19:29 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books.
I used to criticise her so much. I think I shouldn't have judged her so harshly. Yeah, she was resentful towards Jon but that's not all she was. She was a caring wife and a loving mother.
It's been a long time since I saw her episodes. I remember thinking the character was very well acted. I saw her on "24" and she wasn't nearly as good. I also remember the ongoing debate about whether or not "Lady Stoneheart" would be on the TV show. Many *SPOILERS* said she would! Oh crap! That was her in the last season of 24 playing the villain?! I never realized!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 0:23:01 GMT
I always liked her. But I began to become slightly tired of her by season three. The whole subplot with her and Rob and the war got a bit stale for me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 0:24:26 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 25, 2018 0:26:31 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life. maybe he wanted her to "know nothing"
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Post by Marv on Sept 25, 2018 1:35:37 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life. Don’t forget Ned and Cat was an arranged marriage. Ned prob didn’t know he could trust Cat with that info when he brought Jon home. And once he realized he might be able to trust her he was already neck deep in the lie.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 25, 2018 4:06:33 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life. GRRM's characters are exaggerated archetypes. Remember, the man is writing for the 15 year old American target group. The show fixed what it could but had to keep the main lines of the story and Ned being such a ridiculously principled arsehole is at the core of the intrigue. I remember book-Cat' to be so ridiculously written, it's a wonder what the show did to save her. They even gave her a compelling reason to free Jaime, who was about to be killed by the Karstarks. The number of morons who fail to notice this when watching the show is astounding. They then go on to criticise Cat' for her decision. Of course this no longer fits with Robb's reaction to it, exposing how difficult it can be to fix the mess of the original material. Robb didn't fare quite as well, he was changed from a honourable idiot who marries out of duty to a sentimental fool who marries the girl he loves. I guess it makes no difference what type of stupidity the Starks are afflicted with, though. That's what makes people like them
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 25, 2018 4:11:40 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life. Don’t forget Ned and Cat was an arranged marriage. Ned prob didn’t know he could trust Cat with that info when he brought Jon home. And once he realized he might be able to trust her he was already neck deep in the lie. Trust is never brought as a motive for Ned. The character is based on "doing right whatever the cost". This is what he does with Cat'. He is one of the absolute arseholes of the story. Stannis is another.
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Post by Leo of Red Keep on Sept 25, 2018 6:32:29 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books. I don't see that aspect in the show. She is strong and resolute there, concerned but without self-pity. This is something they gave Tyrion instead. I do not see much conflict either. She is playing the hand she was dealt without hesitation. She suffers from what is imposed on her, not from the choices she has to make.
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Post by Seto on Sept 25, 2018 8:28:05 GMT
Her character is significantly softened in the T.V show for sure. In the book when Jon comes to visit a comatose Bran, she tells him, "It should have been you." Also the scene between her and Talisa talking about the time she prayed for a young, sick Jon is made up for the show. My guess is D&D wanted her to be more sympathetic for her death at the Red Wedding to have more impact.
I also suspect D&D themselves don't really like this character. In my recent show rewatch I was kinda surprised how little she actually appears in season 2 and 3. In the books she has many scenes with Edmure, Blackfish and Hoster, three characters that first appear in book 1, but not in the show until season 3. Also her role as Robb's chief war councillor is greatly lessened.
Michelle Fairley wasn't the first choice to play her either. Originally they had Jennifer Ehle, but she couldn't commit due to family reasons. Interestingly Michelle Fairly is billed relatively low in the opening credits, and D&D passed on the chance of bringing the character back as Lady Stoneheart.
Personally I'm not a fan of this character either, her hatred of Jon Snow is what turns me off. Although I admit she is well written. On a side note, I'm a massive Jennifer Ehle fan, so perhaps if she had played her I might feel different.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 25, 2018 9:08:18 GMT
I was watching some of the earlier episodes of GOT and came to realise how conflicted a woman she was. How much she lost and how much the events turned her into a bitter self pitying character. The self pitying part is very detailed in the books.
I used to criticise her so much. I think I shouldn't have judged her so harshly. Yeah, she was resentful towards Jon but that's not all she was. She was a caring wife and a loving mother.
I was wondering how to give my thoughts on her, since the only thing I really remembered was her death, but then I read the comments and have been reminded of a few things. I remember hating her so much for causing the disastrous war. I can understand her not liking Jon Snow because every time she saw him she was reminded of what thought was her husband's infidelity. Having not read the books, I'm not sure who Lady Stoneheart is, but from the comments I'm guessing she would have been a good addition to the series. Pity they didn't use her.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 25, 2018 9:09:41 GMT
I also can't help but wonder why Ned didn't tell her the truth about Jon Snow. She was faithful enough to keep the secret, and she wouldn't have had cause to resent Jon for his entire life. Perhaps he was trying to protect her from what could have happened had the secret gotten out.
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Post by Morgana on Sept 25, 2018 9:13:08 GMT
Her character is significantly softened in the T.V show for sure. In the book when Jon comes to visit a comatose Bran, she tells him, "It should have been you." Also the scene between her and Talisa talking about the time she prayed for a young, sick Jon is made up for the show. My guess is D&D wanted her to be more sympathetic for her death at the Red Wedding to have more impact. I also suspect D&D themselves don't really like this character. In my recent show rewatch I was kinda surprised how little she actually appears in season 2 and 3. In the books she has many scenes with Edmure, Blackfish and Hoster, three characters that first appear in book 1, but not in the show until season 3. Also her role as Robb's chief war councillor is greatly lessened. Michelle Fairley wasn't the first choice to play her either. Originally they had Jennifer Ehle, but she couldn't commit due to family reasons. Interestingly Michelle Fairly is billed relatively low in the opening credits, and D&D passed on the chance of bringing the character back as Lady Stoneheart. Personally I'm not a fan of this character either, her hatred of Jon Snow is what turns me off. Although I admit she is well written. On a side note, I'm a massive Jennifer Ehle fan, so perhaps if she had played her I might feel different. Thank God Ehle wasn't free. I can't stand her. I feel she ruins any show she appears in.
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