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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 23:57:05 GMT
.... what the hell did this thread turn into? A lovely philosophical discussion about Clive Staples Lewis and John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, the creators of some of the best fantasies of the last century (Tolkien’s probably being the best). Isn’t that what this board is here for?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 23:58:03 GMT
.... what the hell did this thread turn into?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 3, 2018 0:01:49 GMT
Yeah. I know. But that's Catholicism. Not some fundamentalist nonsense, which is what Lewis was on about. Innit? Say what you want about Catholicism, and I have; at least it's an ethos! INNIT? Admittedly, CSL was High Church Anglican, which is about as Catholic as you can get without swimming the Tiber. The American fundamentalists have co-opted him, which is rather unfortunate, as (judging from his comments on them at the end of his career) he had nearly nothing in common with them. Now, that's interesting. As you can imagine, the majority of my scorn for him comes from fundamentalist morons (mis)quoting him, as egon1982 did, albeit in the midst of a hilarious and pathetic defense of the execrable MCU. I didn't know CSL was Anglican -- that IS Catholic Lite.
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 3, 2018 0:03:19 GMT
.... what the hell did this thread turn into? A lovely philosophical discussion about Clive Staples Lewis and John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, the creators of some of the best fantasies of the last century (Tolkien’s probably being the best). Isn’t that what this board is here for? Yeah? Why aren't E.L. James and Stephenie Meyer being included?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 3, 2018 0:16:39 GMT
A lovely philosophical discussion about Clive Staples Lewis and John Ronald Reuel Tolkien, the creators of some of the best fantasies of the last century (Tolkien’s probably being the best). Isn’t that what this board is here for? Yeah? Why aren't E.L. James and Stephenie Meyer being included? BUT WHAT ABOUT RL STINE?!?!!1
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2018 0:20:53 GMT
INNIT? Admittedly, CSL was High Church Anglican, which is about as Catholic as you can get without swimming the Tiber. The American fundamentalists have co-opted him, which is rather unfortunate, as (judging from his comments on them at the end of his career) he had nearly nothing in common with them. Now, that's interesting. As you can imagine, the majority of my scorn for him comes from fundamentalist morons (mis)quoting him, as egon1982 did, albeit in the midst of a hilarious and pathetic defense of the execrable MCU. I didn't know CSL was Anglican -- that IS Catholic Lite. And extremely high-church, too, to the extent of being Anglo-Catholic. Purgatory, saints, Mary, Sacred Tradition—all of it. He had a lengthy correspondence entirely in Latin with an Italian Catholic priest. Tolkien once confronted him and asked him point-blank why he wouldn’t convert. Lewis said, “If you had grown up in Belfast, you wouldn’t ask me that question.” He begged Tolkien never to ask him again after that. Anyway. I fear that many people only know CSL by way of fundamentalists and people who haven’t read anything he wrote. (What’s hilarious is that the Fundies hated him when he was alive [and some still do]: he accepted evolution! He thought it possible the Bible wasn’t perfectly, absolutely, infallibly correct on every minute point! He allowed a place for women in the church! He speculated about extraterrestrials! He married a Jewish woman! He devoted pages in his books to talking about pagan gods! He had a sense of humor!) Lewis was a genius. No matter what one’s philosophical or religious slant, he should be read.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 3, 2018 0:26:16 GMT
INNIT? Admittedly, CSL was High Church Anglican, which is about as Catholic as you can get without swimming the Tiber. The American fundamentalists have co-opted him, which is rather unfortunate, as (judging from his comments on them at the end of his career) he had nearly nothing in common with them. Now, that's interesting. As you can imagine, the majority of my scorn for him comes from fundamentalist morons (mis)quoting him, as egon1982 did, albeit in the midst of a hilarious and pathetic defense of the execrable MCU. I didn't know CSL was Anglican -- that IS Catholic Lite. Marvel Studios is more creative than your beloved creatively bankrupted Fox (except for Deadpool which Deadpool 1 and 2 embraces themselves without pretentious stuff). X-Men TAS is not that great when DC makes better animation shows than Marvel. Fantastic Four all 4 efforts stunk and they need to go to Marvel Studios where they belong.
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 3, 2018 0:29:07 GMT
As someone who only read 2 of his works, what is the proper context of the ubiquitous quote?
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2018 0:29:55 GMT
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Oct 3, 2018 0:30:19 GMT
Did you borrow JohnLindsey’s account, sam?
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2018 0:34:07 GMT
As someone who only read 2 of his works, what is the proper context of the ubiquitous quote? Whole essay here. I wrote about it for egon1982 in a PM (he’d asked me to give my take): Who rediscovered the quotation anyway? I’d never seen it outside of the essay until Raptor started ranting about it and how it “proved” that liking the MCU was OK. Of course liking the MCU is OK. I like the MCU. But the quote doesn’t apply to it. Also, isn’t the usage of the quote predicated on the idea that the MCU is childish? So those people who use it are shooting themselves in the foot [feet?].
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2018 0:41:23 GMT
By the way, anyone here seen this Bill Hader/SNL parody of Dateline? It’s hilarious.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 3, 2018 0:44:18 GMT
I am also a proud MLP FIM fan as well and a geek.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 3, 2018 0:50:01 GMT
I am also a proud MLP FIM fan as well and a geek. Do you even know what a "geek" is?
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 3, 2018 0:54:15 GMT
As someone who only read 2 of his works, what is the proper context of the ubiquitous quote? Whole essay here. I wrote about it for egon1982 in a PM (he’d asked me to give my take): Who rediscovered the quotation anyway? I’d never seen it outside of the essay until Raptor started ranting about it and how it “proved” that liking the MCU was OK. Of course liking the MCU is OK. I like the MCU. But the quote doesn’t apply to it. Also, isn’t the usage of the quote predicated on the idea that the MCU is childish? So those people who use it are shooting themselves in the foot [feet?]. I've seen it used to justify any art/lit. the common man or woman is "supposed" to find beneath them. Anime, Cartoons, Comics, and comic book movies not just one specific company either. Back on the old IMDB boards I saw someone use it against someone who denigrated all comic book movies. I know it might be lost on people, but there is a large swath of people out there that see no difference between The Dark Knight, Logan, The Winter Soldier and Tank Girl, Steel, and Batman and Robin. I think they are mentally retarded, but they are out there. And they are Legion. I think their numbers are dwindling. I've seen people use that quote as a shield online going as far back as college like 20 years ago.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 3, 2018 0:56:16 GMT
As someone who lives in the C(ity of)S(aint)Louis, I have to say that this thread is ridiculous.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 3, 2018 0:58:09 GMT
As someone who lives in C(entral) S(aint) Louis, I have to say that this thread is ridiculous. I’m getting flashbacks to @themusicdewd23!
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Post by Vassaggo on Oct 3, 2018 1:13:18 GMT
I never looked up the source, more's a pity. It was a good essay. I have a few more C.S. Lewis books in my library I've put off. I have The Lion The Witch and the Wardrobe and Prince Caspian. And read both. I have The Dark Tower and Other Stories. that my bestfriend bought me as a joke. (I'm a big Stephen King fan and a bigger Dark Tower fan of his) And my Mentor in college gave me a copy of his non-fiction The Allegory of Love as a graduation present. (My senior thesis was on Medieval arms and armament, my concentration was Western European history, my focus Medieval History.) It was a thoughtful gift just never seem to find time for it.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 3, 2018 3:15:37 GMT
I am also a proud MLP FIM fan as well and a geek. Do you even know what a "geek" is? Your just immature and pretentious.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 3, 2018 3:47:56 GMT
Do you even know what a "geek" is? Your just immature and pretentious. So basically you don't know.
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