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Post by egon1982 on Oct 2, 2018 7:12:03 GMT
Fact. I'm an adult and I've never seen a single adult refer to something as "kiddie". I HAVE seen plenty of young people around ages 14-23 refer to light-hearted fare as "kiddie". These are young adults desperate to establish themselves as adults and thinking they can achieve said goal by "shedding" themselves of "kiddie" things. How do they do that? The same way most emos their age do: run toward "dark" and "serious" material as a way of showing how "mature" and "adult" they are.
Little do these young adults realize is that, as an adult, your taste in everything changes. You stop caring about trivial things such as "how will people perceive me for liking this?" Thoughts like those are thoughts that exist in the minds of very young people trying to establish themselves in the world and worried about criticism. It's the angsty age where everything is about image and cultivating your "adult" status.
Seasoned adults in their late 20's and above adopt a very different mindset. It's the "I don't give a sh!t what people think" mindset. Little do these very young adults realize is that, as a seasoned adult, we often crave a VARIETY of tones and themes and don't single one out as "too kiddie for me". Adults don't think that way. In fact, as seasoned adults, it's much more likely for a person to choose a light-hearted movie at the end of a hard workday or workweek. It's a way to "unwind".
For all those calling the MCU "kiddie", I've seen far more adults around my age (37) and even older than I did teenagers when attending them in the theaters. On the contrary, I see far more teens/early twentysomethings at the few nowadays horror movies I attended at theaters.
As seasoned adults, we embrace a VARIETY of different themes and tones. In my experience, I've seen many people in the 14-23 bracket embrace darker material more than any other form.
My point in all this? Only a very young person would bash a product for being light-hearted or proclaim it to be "kiddie". Adults--seasoned (been in the real world for several years, paying bills and such) adults don't think this way at all. We don't go around, calling things "kiddie" or "Mature and adult".
All this grasping for "grounded" and "realistic" CBM's...there is an old expression that basically says that: "Adults crave fantasy even more than children". And, it's true. Fantasy is a form of escapism. Only a very young mind has this constant "need" for an uber-realistic product all the time. Adults enjoy a BLEND of fantasy and realistic products. Children or very young adults have tendency to gravitate toward the darker, more serious and more "realistic" material because they have this idea in their minds that "fantasy is for kids"...but, what they don't realize, is that you reach a certain point in adulthood where fantasy becomes appealing again. When that point arrives, you no longer care how that fantasy "makes you look" to others. You appreciate it as an escapism from everyday life. As a more seasoned adult, a craving for constant realism becomes less prevalent because, at that point, you already know enough about the world to decide "Hey--I need a little escapism".
Now, that's not to say that seasoned adults don't want realism--we do. We just don't need a CONSTANT dosage or CONSTANT emphasis on it. We don't need it to define our lives/entertainment.
THAT is the fundamental difference between real adults and young adults still trying to establish themselves.
All that I think of when I see someone refer to something as "kiddie" is a very young person who is ashamed of their young age and only wants to be seen as older. And what I stated is something that a very young mind can't possibly understand until they reach that point in life...and most of us do. Those who don't become, well, manchildren.
Levity and maturity go hand in hand. The harder you try to force maturity and "seriousness" the more immature and juvenile your work appears. Human beings use humor even in the most dire of situations to deal with bad things, when a person is at their lowest they want nothing more than to laugh again.
When someone here compared Batman vs Superman to some humorless 90's grim gritty comics, Some of those '90s comics trying to be so dark to look "grown up" make me think of what it was like to be a teen-ager. Every teen tries to do their imitation of how they think an adult should be--wearing dark clothing, brooding, treating others like they're crap, posturing. Usually by the time you hit twenty you figure out that's not what being grown up is really about. If you don't, you're going to have miserable life when reality finally does hit you. And they are right, some did took the wrong lessons from Kevin Eastman's Ninja Turtles with Akira by Katsuhiro Otomo, Alan Moore and Frank Miller without understanding what made them successful comics in the 80s.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 2, 2018 7:45:10 GMT
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Post by Lee on Oct 2, 2018 12:57:39 GMT
The only adult people who watch those movies, are parents with their kids. Never saw any single adult persons in theatres.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 2, 2018 18:28:48 GMT
Never saw any single adult persons in theatres. Right...
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Post by Skaathar on Oct 2, 2018 19:32:41 GMT
Well, I think teens are the ones who use the word "kiddie" the most. Maybe all the way to early 20's. You know, the people who are trying to prove that they're mature enough to no longer be called kids, thus they try to shun everything that can be termed "kiddie" in an effort to prove their maturity.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2018 19:46:14 GMT
Well, I think teens are the ones who use the word "kiddie" the most. Maybe all the way to early 20's. You know, the people who are trying to prove that they're mature enough to no longer be called kids, thus they try to shun everything that can be termed "kiddie" in an effort to prove their maturity. Nah, everyone everywhere regards the MCU as drivel for the dumbest of children and a certain type of over- or underweight loser who can't get laid. You think a big shot elitist like Brett Kavaugh is letting his kids watch MCU movies?! I don't think so. Innit? Or it innit?
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 2, 2018 22:05:50 GMT
They are more creative than your creatively bankrupted X-Men films except for Deadpool 1 and 2 which are unashamed of what they are.
CS Lewis is right.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 2, 2018 22:07:33 GMT
The only adult people who watch those movies, are parents with their kids. Never saw any single adult persons in theatres. Your wrong, i've seen alot of single adults seeing the MCU films and enjoying them.
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 2, 2018 22:17:46 GMT
Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C. S. Lewis
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2018 22:43:12 GMT
"Anyone who cites a C.S. Lewis quote to feel like less of a loser for liking something is a tool."
-- coldenhaulfield
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 22:50:40 GMT
Well, I think teens are the ones who use the word "kiddie" the most. Nah, everyone everywhere regards the MCU as drivel for the dumbest of children You think a big shot elitist like Brett Kavaugh is letting his kids watch MCU movies?! . THEY LIKE ROOT BEER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!3
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 22:51:39 GMT
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Oct 2, 2018 22:59:03 GMT
Nah, everyone everywhere regards the MCU as drivel for the dumbest of children You think a big shot elitist like Brett Kavaugh is letting his kids watch MCU movies?! . THEY LIKE ROOT BEER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!3 We liked Pepsi! We drank Pepsi!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 23:00:51 GMT
THEY LIKE ROOT BEER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!3 We liked Pepsi! We drank Pepsi!
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 23:06:35 GMT
"Anyone who cites a C.S. Lewis quote to feel like less of a loser for liking something is a tool." -- coldenhaulfield "Besides, STAR WARS is better than MCU." -- AC/DC-Fan
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Oct 2, 2018 23:21:23 GMT
I respect your effort, but it's a bit too late to try to argue logic to the trolls who have already made up their minds about the whole thing and are too attached to your methodology of trolling its hard to get out and move on( such as DC-Fan).
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 23:26:52 GMT
“Anyone who quotes the same C.S. Lewis line over and over again should be forced actually to read C.S. Lewis [having read Narnia as a kid doesn’t count], particularly the work from which said quotation derives.” —Common Sense
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Post by egon1982 on Oct 2, 2018 23:26:53 GMT
"Anyone who cites a C.S. Lewis quote to feel like less of a loser for liking something is a tool." -- coldenhaulfield Your the loser yourself because you feel immature youself and pretentious like CS Lewis says and he was more adult than you are.
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Post by Nalkarj on Oct 2, 2018 23:29:49 GMT
Tell me about C.S. Lewis, egon1982 . I’m particularly interested to know your thoughts on the famed but often-criticized Trilemma, or the distinctions between The Problem of Pain and A Grief Observed, or your opinions on how the Space Trilogy influenced Star Wars. Oo, oo, how about how Till We Have Faces offers a theodicy, and why Lewis chose Orual to narrate it. Why not Psyche? Why not the Fox? Or, if we must be simple about it, why must holy places be dark places?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Oct 2, 2018 23:29:57 GMT
"Quoting great quotes comes from quoting great quoters."
--Venkman1983
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