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Post by taylorfirst1 on Oct 17, 2018 18:23:16 GMT
These seem to be the 2 most popular X-Men movies right now. So which is your favorite?
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Post by charzhino on Oct 17, 2018 19:46:07 GMT
DOFP, more interesting and more memorable scenes. The story also epitomizes everything important to Xmen lore.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 17, 2018 21:01:19 GMT
Logan. Better performance, story and directed.
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Post by James on Oct 17, 2018 21:36:40 GMT
Two of my favourites in the franchise, but the edge has to go to Logan. It's an objectively better film, and Hugh Jackman's best performance as Wolverine.
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Post by politicidal on Oct 17, 2018 21:58:15 GMT
DOFP by a mile.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 6:36:12 GMT
for X-Men it is Batman Begins vs TDK.
I think both fulfilled what a great xmen movie should be. fantastic story, character study, stakes, tone, drama, depth, great acting, great film making, hard hitting human and social themes.
the real question is how much will the mcu xmen be in inferiority. do they even stand a chance? or are they destined to fail because of DOFP and Logan.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 6:49:15 GMT
Logan. Better performance, story and directed. better performances is a surprising draw, though if you read most xmen reviews the performances are usually the highlights of their films, reason when I say xmen are the best marvel critical acclaim films I know what i am talking about, they also get little to no hate from other film artists but praise unlike their mcu siblings,
their movies dont get good reviews because they are fun nd jokey. tbey get good reviews because the performances are usually stellar, even as frustrating as X3 was, Kelsey Grammer and Ellen Page as beast and kitty pryde were widely praised in the role. unlike something like iron man 3 where there is nothing to be praised about the film.
I remember the great critic roger egbert, who once said X2 was so well acted for a comic movie. kind of ironic looking at comic films today. just stand in front of green screens, crack a joke and wholla.
Xavier (DOFP) vs Xavier (Logan) are almost evenly matched.
Xavier in DOFP a depressing drug addict, Xavier in logan is battling dementia.
both delivered great performances dealing with this human issues. the edge xavier in logan had , was that was the end of life. so that brought up more emotions but when you see two of them on-screen bearing their souls in DOFP. it is artistic pleasure.
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Post by movielover on Oct 18, 2018 6:50:36 GMT
DOFP
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 6:58:14 GMT
one thing I noticed in this thread is how people talk about the performances of both films. this is what makes xmen movies artistically good and the best we can do for comic movies.
I expect nothing less from a good xmen movie afterall, Sir Ian Mckellen set the bar right from X-Men 1.
also this is where Winter solider failed in 2014, there were not stand performances in that film.
Comparing Michael Fassbender, Jennifer Lawernce, James Mcvoy to Scarlet Johanson, Chris Evans and Anthony Mackie is beyond laughable. the story of winter solider did not give their actors the tools to deliver fantastic performances like DOFP did with the main cast.
this is 101 film making fact.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 18, 2018 8:12:00 GMT
also this is where Winter solider failed in 2014, there were not stand performances in that film. I've never really thought of Winter Soldier like that, but you are right I cant remember any great performances. I suppose Robert Redford as Pierce is the best, but the rest of the main cast are just fine. The script doesn't help though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Oct 18, 2018 8:38:18 GMT
Logan.
They are both unique but Logan is my kind of unique.
This is the film taht will be watchable and relevant in 20 years when all the other formula trash is forgotten and laughable.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 9:22:49 GMT
also this is where Winter solider failed in 2014, there were not stand performances in that film. I've never really thought of Winter Soldier like that, but you are right I cant remember any great performances. I suppose Robert Redford as Pierce is the best, but the rest of the main cast are just fine. The script doesn't help though. that's because mcu movies are not serious dramas. their movies has the basic standard plot and the actors are just chasing to get to the end. xmen movies are character driven dramas , the characters motivation are the plot of the film. reason you easily see the great performances in the movies.
its not just redford but samuel l jackson too. another film icon but nothing much for him in winter solider now switch over to another film of 2014 djandgo unchanged, sam l jackson arguably played the best character in that movie. very memorable.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 18, 2018 10:10:37 GMT
Logan. Better performance, story and directed. better performances is a surprising draw, though if you read most xmen reviews the performances are usually the highlights of their films, reason when I say xmen are the best marvel critical acclaim films I know what i am talking about, they also get little to no hate from other film artists but praise unlike their mcu siblings,
their movies dont get good reviews because they are fun nd jokey. tbey get good reviews because the performances are usually stellar, even as frustrating as X3 was, Kelsey Grammer and Ellen Page as beast and kitty pryde were widely praised in the role. unlike something like iron man 3 where there is nothing to be praised about the film.
I remember the great critic roger egbert, who once said X2 was so well acted for a comic movie. kind of ironic looking at comic films today. just stand in front of green screens, crack a joke and wholla.
Xavier (DOFP) vs Xavier (Logan) are almost evenly matched.
Xavier in DOFP a depressing drug addict, Xavier in logan is battling dementia.
both delivered great performances dealing with this human issues. the edge xavier in logan had , was that was the end of life. so that brought up more emotions but when you see two of them on-screen bearing their souls in DOFP. it is artistic pleasure.
Logan is also better because it isn't a film where they fight cartoon robots. Logan is more grounded where DOFP looked like a cartoon. Especially in the future scenes.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 10:32:13 GMT
better performances is a surprising draw, though if you read most xmen reviews the performances are usually the highlights of their films, reason when I say xmen are the best marvel critical acclaim films I know what i am talking about, they also get little to no hate from other film artists but praise unlike their mcu siblings,
their movies dont get good reviews because they are fun nd jokey. tbey get good reviews because the performances are usually stellar, even as frustrating as X3 was, Kelsey Grammer and Ellen Page as beast and kitty pryde were widely praised in the role. unlike something like iron man 3 where there is nothing to be praised about the film.
Xavier (DOFP) vs Xavier (Logan) are almost evenly matched.
Xavier in DOFP a depressing drug addict, Xavier in logan is battling dementia.
both delivered great performances dealing with this human issues. the edge xavier in logan had , was that was the end of life. so that brought up more emotions but when you see two of them on-screen bearing their souls in DOFP. it is artistic pleasure.
Logan is also better because it isn't a film where they fight cartoon robots. Logan is more grounded where DOFP looked like a cartoon. Especially in the future scenes.
Wrong. DOFP did not look like cartoon. that is something I and others have always associated with MCU movies. As a Modertor you have a bigger responsibility to say facts and be truthful otherwise you loose credibility.
both films are grounded as you can be for stories like time travel and hard sci fi of AI robots.
this is the future scene of DOFP. nothing cartoon there, if it was, many would have said so. not one person did. DOFP looked like what it was meant to look like form the comics. war of the words, terminator, I robot, artificial intelligence. those are the movies DOFP resembled in appearances and that is fact.
if you want a cartoon movie, try this
you have to be blind to think they look alike and not know which one looks like a cartoon.
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Post by charzhino on Oct 18, 2018 10:35:53 GMT
The DOFP sentinel fights looked like somethings out of a proper SciFi movie. Cartoon looking is the fight vs Ultron.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 18, 2018 10:38:17 GMT
Logan is also better because it isn't a film where they fight cartoon robots. Logan is more grounded where DOFP looked like a cartoon. Especially in the future scenes.
Wrong. DOFP did not look like cartoon. that is something I and others have always associated with MCU movies. As a Modertor you have a bigger responsibility to say facts and be truthful otherwise you loose credibility.
both films are grounded as you can be for stories like time travel and hard sci fi of AI robots.
this is the future scene of DOFP. nothing cartoon there, if it was, many would have said so. not one person did. DOFP looked like what it was meant to look like form the comics. war of the words, terminator, I robot, artificial intelligence. those are the movies DOFP resembled in appearances and that is fact.
if you want a cartoon movie, try this
you have to be blind to think they look alike and not know which one looks like a cartoon.
The sentinels looked too fake to me. A video game cutscene. Logan is a better looking film.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 10:54:27 GMT
Wrong. DOFP did not look like cartoon. that is something I and others have always associated with MCU movies. As a Modertor you have a bigger responsibility to say facts and be truthful otherwise you loose credibility.
both films are grounded as you can be for stories like time travel and hard sci fi of AI robots.
this is the future scene of DOFP. nothing cartoon there, if it was, many would have said so. not one person did. DOFP looked like what it was meant to look like form the comics. war of the words, terminator, I robot, artificial intelligence. those are the movies DOFP resembled in appearances and that is fact.
if you want a cartoon movie, try this
you have to be blind to think they look alike and not know which one looks like a cartoon.
The sentinels looked too fake to me. A video game cutscene. Logan is a better looking film. I think they only look fake to you because you are struggling with MCU failure that look like cartoons and video games so you are projecting that to DOFP with a superior use of film technicality.
also, notice you have started using video games argument also, this is something i have said is the problem with mcu movies that they look like video games. but the facts dont add up. if they looked that way it would have been a mjaor criticism of DOFP. afterall it is xmen and like DC, their movies are not protected by critics or the media.
this factually look like a video games and many pointed it out
this does not look like a video game and many said it was hard grounded sci fi.
DOFP looks as real as this
war of the worlds
it's kind of sad for a moderator, to choose to live in a lie because to accept the truth is to accept the mcu movies you like so miuch are factual cgi trash.
also use logic and common sense, if dofp looked like a cartoon and video games why wasnt it compared to GOTG, a film released that year too but instead DOFP was called the best comic movie drama since TDK by all comic fans and critics alike?
Sorry but accept facts. i am not making anything up or choosing to leave in a lie because my own series is inferior.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 18, 2018 11:06:54 GMT
The sentinels looked too fake to me. A video game cutscene. Logan is a better looking film. I think they only look fake to you because you are struggling with MCU failure that look like cartoons and video games so you are projecting that to DOFP with a superior use of film technicality.
also, notice you have started using video games argument also, this is something i have said is the problem with mcu movies that they look like video games. but the facts dont add up. if they looked that way it would have been a mjaor criticism of DOFP. afterall it is xmen and like DC, their movies are not protected by critics or the media.
this factually look like a video games and many pointed it out
this does not look like a video game and many said it was hard grounded sci fi.
DOFP looks as real as this
war of the worlds
it's kind of sad for a moderator, to choose to live in a lie because to accept the truth is to accept the mcu movies you like so miuch are factual cgi trash.
also use logic and common sense, if dofp looked like a cartoon and video games why wasnt it compared to GOTG, a film released that year too but instead DOFP was called the best comic movie drama since TDK by all comic fans and critics alike?
Sorry but accept facts. i am not making anything up or choosing to leave in a lie because my own series is inferior.
All of it, including the Marvel Studios, Sony (especially Venom), DCEU and XMU have had bad CGI. Some even have CGI so bad that I can't take it seriously. This is a issue I've pointed out on several boards that talk about CGI and not exclusively for Comic Book Movies. A lot of modern Block buster films have had plenty of bad CGI as well. If the CGI looks like a video game, why should I take it seriously? Hell looking at the clip with the sentinel I feel like I should have plugged my PlayStation controller in. If a movie has bad CGI I'm going to rip on it. Logan, while not perfect, is a more believable film than Days of Future Past. Why? No bad CGI robot. Logan is a better X-Men film. Period. Why you keep defending DOFP CGI, I don't know. Maybe you secretly produced it. But I won't defend it. I want GOOD CGI in my movies.
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Post by summers8 on Oct 18, 2018 11:22:23 GMT
I think they only look fake to you because you are struggling with MCU failure that look like cartoons and video games so you are projecting that to DOFP with a superior use of film technicality.
also, notice you have started using video games argument also, this is something i have said is the problem with mcu movies that they look like video games. but the facts dont add up. if they looked that way it would have been a mjaor criticism of DOFP. afterall it is xmen and like DC, their movies are not protected by critics or the media.
this factually look like a video games and many pointed it out
this does not look like a video game and many said it was hard grounded sci fi.
DOFP looks as real as this
war of the worlds
it's kind of sad for a moderator, to choose to live in a lie because to accept the truth is to accept the mcu movies you like so miuch are factual cgi trash.
also use logic and common sense, if dofp looked like a cartoon and video games why wasnt it compared to GOTG, a film released that year too but instead DOFP was called the best comic movie drama since TDK by all comic fans and critics alike?
Sorry but accept facts. i am not making anything up or choosing to leave in a lie because my own series is inferior.
All of it, including the Marvel Studios, Sony (especially Venom), DCEU and XMU have had bad CGI. Some even have CGI so bad that I can't take it seriously. This is a issue I've pointed out on several boards that talk about CGI and not exclusively for Comic Book Movies. A lot of modern Block buster films have had plenty of bad CGI as well. If the CGI looks like a video game, why should I take it seriously? Hell looking at the clip with the sentinel I feel like I should have plugged my PlayStation controller in. If a movie has bad CGI I'm going to rip on it. Logan, while not perfect, is a more believable film than Days of Future Past. Why? No bad CGI robot. Logan is a better X-Men film. Period. Why you keep defending DOFP CGI, I don't know. Maybe you secretly produced it. But I won't defend it. I want GOOD CGI in my movies. X-Men movies have bad cgi like all comics movies in their franchise but DOFP is not the xmen movie to go for for bad cgi, try origins and apocalypse. don't you see how stupid you made yourself look. you chose to ignore facts, you took dofp that has the most artistically praised comic fcgi scene ..maybe ever, aka the quicksilver scene that we did not stop hearing off to my irritation. that scene was so famous mcu killed their own quicksilver.
this is film technical art and it is not an opinion, it is fact as factual as trump is president, anyone denying that is just a fool who can't handle reality. if you make this in film school you will get 4.0 GPA or higher.
the issue you pointed out is not really on several boards since that was not a mjaor criticism of the movie like it is with mcu movies. why do I keep defending the cgi in DOFP? No, I am defending the truth, facts and great film making. I will do that for any other film,
Let's face it. you finally cracked. you cant handle DOFP was a superior movie to every mcu movie in story and cgi. was called the best comic film since TDK. calling the CGI bad in DOFP is like saying batman begins is a worse reboot than batman forever and the cgi is as bad. sure that is your opinion but you wont have many to back you up, since many will go for facts not lies.
Logan made be a better film to some but logan and dofp are the best marvel moves ever made in this era. deal with that facts and move on. you are boring me.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 18, 2018 11:30:05 GMT
All of it, including the Marvel Studios, Sony (especially Venom), DCEU and XMU have had bad CGI. Some even have CGI so bad that I can't take it seriously. This is a issue I've pointed out on several boards that talk about CGI and not exclusively for Comic Book Movies. A lot of modern Block buster films have had plenty of bad CGI as well. If the CGI looks like a video game, why should I take it seriously? Hell looking at the clip with the sentinel I feel like I should have plugged my PlayStation controller in. If a movie has bad CGI I'm going to rip on it. Logan, while not perfect, is a more believable film than Days of Future Past. Why? No bad CGI robot. Logan is a better X-Men film. Period. Why you keep defending DOFP CGI, I don't know. Maybe you secretly produced it. But I won't defend it. I want GOOD CGI in my movies. X-Men movies have bad cgi like all comics movies in their franchise but DOFP is not the xmen movie to go for for bad cgi, try origins and apocalypse. don't you see how stupid you made yourself look. you chose to ignore facts, you took dofp that has the most artistically praised comic fcgi scene ..maybe ever, aka the quicksilver scene that we did not stop hearing off to my irritation. that scene was so famous mcu killed their own quicksilver.
this is film technical art and it is not an opinion, it is fact as factual as trump is president, anyone denying that is just a fool who can't handle reality. if make this in film school you will get 4.0 GPA or higher.
the issue you pointed out is not really on several boards since that was not a mjaor criticism of the movie like it is with mcu movies. why do I keep defending the cgi in DOFP? No, I am defending the truth, facts and great film making. I will do that for any other film,
Let's face it. you finally cracked. you cant handle DOFP was a superior movie to every mcu movie in story and cgi. was called the best comic film since TDK. calling the CGI bad in DOFP is like saying batman begins is a worse reboot than batman forever and the cgi is as bad. sure that is your opinion but you wont have many to back you up, since many will go for facts not lies.
Logan made be a better film to some but logan and dofp are the best marvel moves ever made in this era. deal with that facts and move on. you are boring me.
Move on from what? My point is Logan is a better film and you keep going on some random rant about DOFP and critics. Logan is a superior film. I know this upsets you, like how The Dark Knight being a superior film also upset you. It's okay my friend. We got two great movies to celebrate together.
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