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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 15, 2018 13:43:57 GMT
You can't prove that Gods exist or don't exist, hence belief.
If we could prove there were no Gods, there would be no religions. If we could prove that Gods exist, there would be no atheists. I believe that what you believe becomes real to you. Atheists stop existing after death. Christians get judged by their separate God. Hindus enter a realm populated by thousands of Gods. ..and maybe the Muslims who think they're going to experience virgins actually do experience it. But that's thing: you can't prove that bunch of things don't exist. I can't prove that invisible unicorns don't exist. I can't prove that invisible orbital teapots don't exist. I can't prove God doesn't exist. But it is reasonable to believe that those things exist? Depends on what you believe. I believe that anything anyone can imagine exists on some level.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 15, 2018 13:46:39 GMT
You can't prove that Gods exist or don't exist, hence belief.
If we could prove there were no Gods, there would be no religions. If we could prove that Gods exist, there would be no atheists. I believe that what you believe becomes real to you. Atheists stop existing after death. Christians get judged by their separate God. Hindus enter a realm populated by thousands of Gods. ..and maybe the Muslims who think they're going to experience virgins actually do experience it. But that's thing: you can't prove that bunch of things don't exist. I can't prove that invisible unicorns don't exist. I can't prove that invisible orbital teapots don't exist. I can't prove God doesn't exist. But it is reasonable to believe that those things exist? im not sure why the existence of god would be equated with invisible unicorns. The simple answer is if one does not believe in something, cannot prove the thing they believe in, then it’s probably a good idea not to claim some kind of equally mythical notion of intellectual superiority. Anything that’s proveable is usually not up for debate except for when Trumpers are allowed to dispute it.
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Post by Winter_King on Nov 15, 2018 13:49:20 GMT
But that's thing: you can't prove that bunch of things don't exist. I can't prove that invisible unicorns don't exist. I can't prove that invisible orbital teapots don't exist. I can't prove God doesn't exist. But it is reasonable to believe that those things exist? im not sure why the existence of god would be equated with invisible unicorns. The simple answer is if one does not believe in something, cannot prove the thing they believe in, then it’s probably a good idea not to claim some kind of equally mythical notion of intellectual superiority. Anything that’s proveable is usually not up for debate except for when Trumpers are allowed to dispute it. I would argue that both gods and unicorns are present in myths and legends so why not equate the two?
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Post by merh on Nov 15, 2018 13:50:12 GMT
If one doesnt believe in a higher power it would be logical to dismiss as primitive those that color their choices based on faith. #PROUDPRIMITIVE You base decisions that should be based on science on religion? Like it doesnt hurt to recycle? Not use incandescent bulbs? Buy cars that get better gas milage? You believe you have the right to foist your faith on others who don't believe your way? You look down on people who haven't neen saved because they are sinners?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 13:57:20 GMT
You base decisions that should be based on science on religion? NopeLike it doesnt hurt to recycle? I recycleNot use incandescent bulbs? LED is the way to goBuy cars that get better gas milage? yesYou believe you have the right to foist your faith on others who don't believe your way? I do NOT. You look down on people who haven't neen saved because they are sinners? This i do NOT do either
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Post by ABBEY1227 on Nov 15, 2018 14:01:52 GMT
You base decisions that should be based on science on religion? NopeLike it doesnt hurt to recycle? I recycleNot use incandescent bulbs? LED is the way to goBuy cars that get better gas milage? yesYou believe you have the right to foist your faith on others who don't believe your way? I do NOT. You look down on people who haven't neen saved because they are sinners? This i do NOT do either
You must be like the religious people I've been around. They have a 'take it or leave it' attitude.
Not so much with the liberals I've been around the last few years. There is no choice in the matter with them. AND......they want much more than 10%
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Nov 15, 2018 14:49:55 GMT
Well God is apart of reality so naturally taking Him seriously is a good thing unlike those godless liberals who pretty much oppose God in general and call it "progress" instead of what it really is which is moral decline etc. but for the most part nowadays... Conservatives = for God (good) Liberals = against God (bad) it's pretty much that simple given stuff liberals support like abortion is a red flag and easy to see which party is the overall better of the two on that issue alone. it's not a stretch to see the basic abortion process is a evil act as it destroys human life while conservative oppose that evil act which is a good thing. those who promote this evil act and profit from it etc, and especially those who take part in it, got a big surprise coming (in a negative way) in the next life. like I always say... when someone is on the wrong side of the abortion issue they tend to be backwards in many other moral areas to like the typical liberal is. Congratulations! You are EXACTLY one of those religious lunatics I've mentioned in my OP! I'll repeat: CONGRATULATIONS!!!
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Post by Harry Skywalker on Nov 15, 2018 14:53:57 GMT
I believe in God, and I find it sickening that in 2018 people still have an issue with it. In all my years on the old board and now this board I never pushed my religious views on people.
Having said that, I keep religion and politics separate. Abortion for example is an easy issue to bring religion into politics. My view of abortion doesn't need religion. While I do support a woman's right to privacy, I support everyone's right to privacy. Something Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and most elected Democrats do not.
At least you don't use Religion to dictate what you think and you don't mix Religion with Politics.
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Post by shadyvsesham on Nov 15, 2018 16:52:43 GMT
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Post by merh on Nov 18, 2018 9:15:23 GMT
You base decisions that should be based on science on religion? NopeLike it doesnt hurt to recycle? I recycleNot use incandescent bulbs? LED is the way to goBuy cars that get better gas milage? yesYou believe you have the right to foist your faith on others who don't believe your way? I do NOT. You look down on people who haven't neen saved because they are sinners? This i do NOT do eitherThen you aren't what I see as a problem. I can't speak for the OP, but I just want rational thought, not "God gave man the planet to do with as he chose so it doesnt matter if we run it into the ground". Because if you take that argument, you have to remember God also had that whole good steward thing. I don't care what people believe, as long as they remember everyone has the right to worship as they choose so one person's idea of god isn't necessarily the next person's idea of god.
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Post by merh on Nov 18, 2018 9:25:11 GMT
You must be like the religious people I've been around. They have a 'take it or leave it' attitude.
Not so much with the liberals I've been around the last few years. There is no choice in the matter with them. AND......they want much more than 10%
Remember Short Circuit? Why do you think it's 10%? Where does it say 10%?
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Post by ABBEY1227 on Nov 18, 2018 12:59:31 GMT
Why do you think it's 10%? Where does it say 10%?
I had always heard about tithing and 10% was the number tossed about. I've read the Roman Empire actually got by on much less.
And I know the US Govt got by on a lot less in the past, too
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Post by deviates on Nov 18, 2018 13:14:13 GMT
This shows that the majority of scientists believe in God or a higher power, by the way. 33 + 18 = 51 The options are poorly worded, as you could also phrase it as 59% of scientists do not believe in a god. Though it's beside the point. The OP focused on the use of god-of-the-gaps style arguments, which scientists generally don't do and if they did those opinions wouldn't be considered scientific.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 18, 2018 13:17:38 GMT
Then you aren't what I see as a problem. I can't speak for the OP, but I just want rational thought, not "God gave man the planet to do with as he chose so it doesnt matter if we run it into the ground". Because if you take that argument, you have to remember God also had that whole good steward thing. I don't care what people believe, as long as they remember everyone has the right to worship as they choose so one person's idea of god isn't necessarily the next person's idea of god. Someone who is discussing their beliefs with someone else is not in any way stifling rights of others to worship as they choose. Normal people should be able to have conversations with anyone or at east debate why they would be wrong. People who get annoyed by religious people oftentimes lack the ability to do this which is a part of the problem they have religious. They want them to think like them but don;t wish to be bothered with explaining it the "right" way which makes sense considering they can't.
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Post by ABBEY1227 on Nov 18, 2018 13:41:05 GMT
There is not a mandate in Scripture for 10%, but the origins of it are mentioned in the Bible regarding a suggested amount. Genesis 28 Any particular religious organization can establish any tenet they wish in relation to charity. 10% isn't a bad number but some give more, some give less. Kind of an odd story........ My Father in Law is probably much more religious than he'd ever let on..........as in his beliefs, but he no longer attends church. Apparently his Mother had belonged to a congregation for a very, very long time...... but when she grew elderly and ill, she hadn't been able to keep up with her 'tithe'........ and this church had adopted a method of shaming members that I've seen other churches employ. In their weekly flyer handed out to everyone attending service, they'd list the names of everyone who was behind on their payments......sometimes even listing the $Amounts. He did not find that an acceptable place to worship after that.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 18, 2018 13:44:51 GMT
You must be like the religious people I've been around. They have a 'take it or leave it' attitude.
Not so much with the liberals I've been around the last few years. There is no choice in the matter with them. AND......they want much more than 10%
Remember Short Circuit? Why do you think it's 10%? Where does it say 10%? There is not a mandate in Scripture for 10%, but the origins of it are mentioned in the Bible regarding a suggested amount. Genesis 28 Any particular religious organization can establish any tenet they wish in relation to charity. 10% isn't a bad number but some give more, some give less.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Nov 18, 2018 13:45:40 GMT
I'm not interested in the Bible, I'm interested in Vedanta Philosophy. All the Gods can exist within that framework. "Science, by its own definition, is the investigation of one domain, namely, the observable material world. As a scientist, then, saying that you’re only going to investigate one domain of phenomena does not logically mean that no other such domain exists. It’s one thing to say I’m only going to explore the Atlantic Ocean. It’s something else entirely to go on and say that no other oceans exist. And it’s downright unscientific to say no other oceans can possibly exist and you’re crazy if you think they do. In a word, it’s bad science to say that no observations, except the kind of ones that I make, are possible." Do I ever think that 'the right' is using me for their agenda? Are you serious? 'The right' did not force me to read Eastern Philosophy books. Science has yet to investigate or explain DMT... Whose to say those experiences are not 'real'? From the article: 'Frecska explicitly advocates a mystical view of reality in which humans have a non-material, spiritual component along with the physical one, and argues that the materialist paradigm of modern science is not only out of touch but may even be pathologically imbalanced. '
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Nov 18, 2018 13:52:44 GMT
Kind of an odd story........ My Father in Law is probably much more religious than he'd ever let on..........as in his beliefs, but he no longer attends church. Apparently his Mother had belonged to a congregation for a very, very long time...... but when she grew elderly and ill, she hadn't been able to keep up with her 'tithe'........ and this church had adopted a method of shaming members that I've seen other churches employ. In their weekly flyer handed out to everyone attending service, they'd list the names of everyone who was behind on their payments......sometimes even listing the $Amounts. He did not find that an acceptable place to worship after that. It's not. While I do think people who attend a church they like are as obligated to financially support it as any other service if they are able to, that is still based on the notion of voluntary donations.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 18, 2018 16:18:54 GMT
This shows that the majority of scientists believe in God or a higher power, by the way. 33 + 18 = 51 The options are poorly worded, as you could also phrase it as 59% of scientists do not believe in a god. Though it's beside the point. The OP focused on the use of god-of-the-gaps style arguments, which scientists generally don't do and if they did those opinions wouldn't be considered scientific. I think he lost me where it came down to how to live ones life (outside of science or whatever) as if doctors or scientists may believe but they don’t do a single thing about it even in their private lives. I don’t buy that part. I think there’s something going on where the person respects doctors and scientists but does NOT respect believers so there is a problem trying to reconcile the two. My very favorite scientific authors are devout Orthodox Jews with PhDs in Physics. They are truly scientific and truly religious, and I am truly fascinated by what they write about actual confirmed science.
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Post by merh on Nov 18, 2018 19:30:20 GMT
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