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Post by heeeeey on Nov 19, 2018 23:27:42 GMT
I'm not really referring to the Bible, per se, although there is some truth to it.
What Tesla did get right was about what he said regarding frequency and vibration. Consciousness exists in frequencies. The lowest frequencies are what we call negative or 'evil' realms. The higher frequencies contain the consciousness of higher beings like Christ and other enlightened ones. But everything, like Tesla said, is frequency and vibration. If you are tuned into a certain frequency on a radio, you can't hear the other channels--only the one you're tuned into to. You are tuned into a narrow, limited frequency. If you were a radio, you would be like talk radio and not believing there are other more interesting stations.
So you are on a lower frequency than people who have been spiritually awakened.
Btw, peer-reviewed studies aren't a consensus of all scientists. If they use words like 'theorize', 'claim', 'explanation could be...', etc., that's not definitive of anything. You are an eternal being that's going to exist eternally. Sorry.
How do you 'know' this? You are critical of the most intelligent, knowledgeable people in the most cutting edge fields of human knowledge and discovery...… and you think that you know better? And you don't think the ancients, the Native Americans, virtually every other culture on the planet who believes that there is a spirit are intelligent? Only the few percent of atheists are intelligent? How often do those geniuses change their minds upon a new discovery? Cutting edge implies also that it's not the be all and end all of discovery. If so, why don't they all just retire because they already know everything? Anything that would be told to you about how someone 'knows' of an afterlife you would default to the same conclusion that it's only the brain doing all those experiences. For what reason, I have no idea. Like I said, why would a robot's brain bother to create spiritual experiences? And that basically what you think we are--robots.
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Post by rizdek on Nov 19, 2018 23:41:09 GMT
God what? Consciousness is God? So I'm God when I'm conscious? Where does "God" go when someone sleeps? What happens to God when someone's under anesthesia? What happens to God when someone gets hit hard on the head? Does God suddenly no longer exist when someone is unconscious? Show that God is the origin of consciousness. Yes, consciousness is God. You're referring to the body. The body feels pain, gets sick, etc. We're here to experience what it's like in this density. I'm referring to what happens to consciousness, not what happens to the body. Is the body synonymous with consciousness? That's what you seem to be saying.
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Post by goz on Nov 19, 2018 23:41:49 GMT
How do you 'know' this? You are critical of the most intelligent, knowledgeable people in the most cutting edge fields of human knowledge and discovery...… and you think that you know better? And you don't think the ancients, the Native Americans, virtually every other culture on the planet who believes that there is a spirit are intelligent? Only the few percent of atheists are intelligent? How often do those geniuses change their minds upon a new discovery? Cutting edge implies also that it's not the be all and end all of discovery. If so, why don't they all just retire because they already know everything? Anything that would be told to you about how someone 'knows' of an afterlife you would default to the same conclusion that it's only the brain doing all those experiences. For what reason, I have no idea. Like I said, why would a robot's brain bother to create spiritual experiences? And that basically what you think we are--robots. LOL, you just answered your own questions in this latest post! The ancients use their intelligence to believe the best possible 'knowledge' that was available to them. If we are intelligent, WE should do the same and NOT cling to outdated belief systems. Changing you mind in lieu of a new discovery IS intelligence. You, being unintelligent can't seem to comprehend this truth. The body of human knowledge now KNOWS some of what the human brain is capable and NOW we know of what it I NOT. i.e afterlife. Death is death for each individual and we leave a legacy of knowledge to the living and the future living. Cool eh?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 0:36:29 GMT
And you don't think the ancients, the Native Americans, virtually every other culture on the planet who believes that there is a spirit are intelligent? Only the few percent of atheists are intelligent? How often do those geniuses change their minds upon a new discovery? Cutting edge implies also that it's not the be all and end all of discovery. If so, why don't they all just retire because they already know everything? Anything that would be told to you about how someone 'knows' of an afterlife you would default to the same conclusion that it's only the brain doing all those experiences. For what reason, I have no idea. Like I said, why would a robot's brain bother to create spiritual experiences? And that basically what you think we are--robots. LOL, you just answered your own questions in this latest post! The ancients use their intelligence to believe the best possible 'knowledge' that was available to them. If we are intelligent, WE should do the same and NOT cling to outdated belief systems. Changing you mind in lieu of a new discovery IS intelligence. You, being unintelligent can't seem to comprehend this truth. The body of human knowledge now KNOWS some of what the human brain is capable and NOW we know of what it I NOT. i.e afterlife. Death is death for each individual and we leave a legacy of knowledge to the living and the future living. Cool eh? You just made an argument in my favor, twit. I've been saying all along that science knowledge is limited and they only know SOME, not all, of what's inside the brain/body. But they haven't even touched the surface of what's beyond it. And if they stay limited in their thinking like you are, they may never go beyond the limited amount they know now.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 0:38:41 GMT
Yes, consciousness is God. You're referring to the body. The body feels pain, gets sick, etc. We're here to experience what it's like in this density. I'm referring to what happens to consciousness, not what happens to the body. Is the body synonymous with consciousness? That's what you seem to be saying. No, the consciousness is not the body. It uses the body similar to how electricity uses an appliance. If you go to another planet, you have to put on something that will allow you to function on it--like a space suit, oxygen, etc. The soul uses these dense bodies to function in the dense frequency.
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Post by goz on Nov 20, 2018 0:43:43 GMT
LOL, you just answered your own questions in this latest post! The ancients use their intelligence to believe the best possible 'knowledge' that was available to them. If we are intelligent, WE should do the same and NOT cling to outdated belief systems. Changing you mind in lieu of a new discovery IS intelligence. You, being unintelligent can't seem to comprehend this truth. The body of human knowledge now KNOWS some of what the human brain is capable and NOW we know of what it I NOT. i.e afterlife. Death is death for each individual and we leave a legacy of knowledge to the living and the future living. Cool eh? You just made an argument in my favor, twit. I've been saying all along that science knowledge is limited and they only know SOME, not all, of what's inside the brain/body. But they haven't even touched the surface of what's beyond it. And if they stay limited in their thinking like you are, they may never go beyond the limited amount they know now. True, thank you. So where does unproven 'God' fit in...except perhaps in the 'argument of ignorance' God of the Gaps scenario?
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Post by rizdek on Nov 20, 2018 10:37:15 GMT
I'm referring to what happens to consciousness, not what happens to the body. Is the body synonymous with consciousness? That's what you seem to be saying. No, the consciousness is not the body. It uses the body similar to how electricity uses an appliance. If you go to another planet, you have to put on something that will allow you to function on it--like a space suit, oxygen, etc. The soul uses these dense bodies to function in the dense frequency. Ok so you've said what consciousness isn't...but you haven't said what it is except to say...it's "God" and now, you say what it's similar to electricity. I doubt very many would agree with your analogy. Electricity exists in nature, but AFAIK, from a human perspective, has no purpose OTHER than to make appliances go. How is that like consciousness? Because that would suggest in and of itself, consciousness (or God given your description so far) has no purpose except to make people "go."
Besides, consciousness is God, but what IS God? But you've just substituted one unknown and un-described term with another unknown and un-described term. Most would say God is a spirit. But it seems that's just substituting one unknown with another.
And it still doesn't explain where my consciousness goes when I'm unconscious nor what it lives "on" when it doesn't have...to use your terms...its appliance. Electricity is a property of matter/energy. Is consciousness a property of matter/energy. How do you know, one way or the other?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 11:28:38 GMT
No, the consciousness is not the body. It uses the body similar to how electricity uses an appliance. If you go to another planet, you have to put on something that will allow you to function on it--like a space suit, oxygen, etc. The soul uses these dense bodies to function in the dense frequency. Ok so you've said what consciousness isn't...but you haven't said what it is except to say...it's "God" and now, you say what it's similar to electricity. I doubt very many would agree with your analogy. Electricity exists in nature, but AFAIK, from a human perspective, has no purpose OTHER than to make appliances go. How is that like consciousness? Because that would suggest in and of itself, consciousness (or God given your description so far) has no purpose except to make people "go."
Besides, consciousness is God, but what IS God? But you've just substituted one unknown and un-described term with another unknown and un-described term. Most would say God is a spirit. But it seems that's just substituting one unknown with another.
And it still doesn't explain where my consciousness goes when I'm unconscious nor what it lives "on" when it doesn't have...to use your terms...its appliance. Electricity is a property of matter/energy. Is consciousness a property of matter/energy. How do you know, one way or the other?
It's awareness. You are still aware that you are. Watch Ghost with Whoopie Goldberg. That's what mediums see.
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Post by rizdek on Nov 20, 2018 14:41:13 GMT
Ok so you've said what consciousness isn't...but you haven't said what it is except to say...it's "God" and now, you say what it's similar to electricity. I doubt very many would agree with your analogy. Electricity exists in nature, but AFAIK, from a human perspective, has no purpose OTHER than to make appliances go. How is that like consciousness? Because that would suggest in and of itself, consciousness (or God given your description so far) has no purpose except to make people "go."
Besides, consciousness is God, but what IS God? But you've just substituted one unknown and un-described term with another unknown and un-described term. Most would say God is a spirit. But it seems that's just substituting one unknown with another.
And it still doesn't explain where my consciousness goes when I'm unconscious nor what it lives "on" when it doesn't have...to use your terms...its appliance. Electricity is a property of matter/energy. Is consciousness a property of matter/energy. How do you know, one way or the other?
It's awareness. You are still aware that you are. Watch Ghost with Whoopie Goldberg. That's what mediums see. Ok we all know it's awareness. That's what everyone says. That's unremarkable. That still doesn't tell us WHAT it is.
How do you know that you are aware when you are under anesthetic or when you've been knocked unconscious? Why would folks refer to it as "unconscious" if the person isn't really unconscious? And how would anyone know if what a medium claims to see/experience reflects anything genuine? And how does that relate to WHAT consciousness is or why anyone should believe it is "God?"
Is consciousness a property of matter/energy? Does what a medium claims to see/experience preclude consciousness from being something emergent from matter/energy? If you think so, how do you know?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 16:24:19 GMT
It's awareness. You are still aware that you are. Watch Ghost with Whoopie Goldberg. That's what mediums see. Ok we all know it's awareness. That's what everyone says. That's unremarkable. That still doesn't tell us WHAT it is.
How do you know that you are aware when you are under anesthetic or when you've been knocked unconscious? Why would folks refer to it as "unconscious" if the person isn't really unconscious? And how would anyone know if what a medium claims to see/experience reflects anything genuine? And how does that relate to WHAT consciousness is or why anyone should believe it is "God?" Is consciousness a property of matter/energy? Does what a medium claims to see/experience preclude consciousness from being something emergent from matter/energy? If you think so, how do you know? Can't you wrap your mind around the concept of dimensions? We have 2D, 3D, 4D, etc. What's the next one? I'm simply citing examples of people who say their awareness left their body, not just during a surgery, but some during heart attacks, or other instances where they were declared officially dead. Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead? Again, those people gave accurate descriptions of what they observed outside the body that was verified later.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 20, 2018 17:36:07 GMT
Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead? For the same reasons it dreams at all in the first place--the mechanisms are there, the person is unconscious, they are just doing what they were designed to do by evolution, but now under the extreme trauma the body is going through. Never verified under controlled circumstance that would ever count as scientific evidence for anything. Anecdotes are bullshit data, not science.
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Post by drystyx on Nov 20, 2018 18:03:35 GMT
Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead? For the same reasons it dreams at all in the first place--the mechanisms are there, the person is unconscious, they are just doing what they were designed to do by evolution, but now under the extreme trauma the body is going through. Never verified under controlled circumstance that would ever count as scientific evidence for anything. Anecdotes are bullshit data, not science. Have you ever said anything that made any sense? You sure don't have any logic. Dreams from evolution? The most detrimental possible bits of "misinformation" imaginable not only to an individual, but also to its family and species, and you think that "evolved"? You clearly have absolutely no ability to grasp real Science.
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Post by rizdek on Nov 20, 2018 18:16:00 GMT
Ok we all know it's awareness. That's what everyone says. That's unremarkable. That still doesn't tell us WHAT it is.
How do you know that you are aware when you are under anesthetic or when you've been knocked unconscious? Why would folks refer to it as "unconscious" if the person isn't really unconscious? And how would anyone know if what a medium claims to see/experience reflects anything genuine? And how does that relate to WHAT consciousness is or why anyone should believe it is "God?" Is consciousness a property of matter/energy? Does what a medium claims to see/experience preclude consciousness from being something emergent from matter/energy? If you think so, how do you know? Can't you wrap your mind around the concept of dimensions? We have 2D, 3D, 4D, etc. What's the next one? I'm simply citing examples of people who say their awareness left their body, not just during a surgery, but some during heart attacks, or other instances where they were declared officially dead. Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead? Again, those people gave accurate descriptions of what they observed outside the body that was verified later. "Can't you wrap your mind around the concept of dimensions? We have 2D, 3D, 4D, etc. What's the next one?" Absolutely. I have no problem imagining more dimensions...they claim more dimensions are needed for such things as string theory. Completely natural, AFAIK.
"Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead?" Maybe their methods for declaring people dead are antiquated and wrong? In the olden days, folks were declared dead and, rumor has it, they've discovered people have been buried alive...you know, they wake up in their casket...buried. So maybe even now, our means of determining "time of death" are inadequate. Seems they just need to revise how they declare death.
I don't know whether consciousness is purely natural or not, but the fact that doctors haven't figured out how to determine when someone is actually fully dead and that all consciousness has ceased isn't a reason to deny that NDEs and dreams after obvious life signs have ceased is anything but natural. And NDEs don't at all prove consciousness is anything but natural.
And I see how you've still avoided saying what consciousness is beyond saying it's God...which makes no sense at all and saying it's awareness, which pretty much goes without saying. So, what is consciousness and what is its origin. Why should anyone imagine it's anything other than a natural phenomenon?
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 19:03:03 GMT
Why would the brain create a 'dream' after it's been declared dead? For the same reasons it dreams at all in the first place--the mechanisms are there, the person is unconscious, they are just doing what they were designed to do by evolution, but now under the extreme trauma the body is going through. Never verified under controlled circumstance that would ever count as scientific evidence for anything. Anecdotes are bullshit data, not science. Yes, they have been verified asshole.
You think the people in the room can 'follow' the person across the other side to take pictures? Goddamned idiot.
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Post by goz on Nov 20, 2018 22:38:45 GMT
For the same reasons it dreams at all in the first place--the mechanisms are there, the person is unconscious, they are just doing what they were designed to do by evolution, but now under the extreme trauma the body is going through. Never verified under controlled circumstance that would ever count as scientific evidence for anything. Anecdotes are bullshit data, not science. Yes, they have been verified asshole.
You think the people in the room can 'follow' the person across the other side to take pictures? Goddamned idiot.
You seem to be missing the entire point. (as usual) NDE are just that. The people did not die. They recount their experiences which were caused by the brain shutting down as it does, close to death. There is scientific evidence of this, as it is caused by a lessening of oxygen and a consequent raising of CO2 levels causing the brain to chemically and electically malfunction in a predictable manner. It is predictable and scientifically understood and has NOTHING to do with an afterlife.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 20, 2018 23:22:40 GMT
Yes, they have been verified asshole.
You think the people in the room can 'follow' the person across the other side to take pictures? Goddamned idiot.
You seem to be missing the entire point. (as usual) NDE are just that. The people did not die. They recount their experiences which were caused by the brain shutting down as it does, close to death. There is scientific evidence of this, as it is caused by a lessening of oxygen and a consequent raising of CO2 levels causing the brain to chemically and electically malfunction in a predictable manner. It is predictable and scientifically understood and has NOTHING to do with an afterlife. Why would the brain create such an elaborate, detailed, and life-changing experience for someone who's dying or unconscious? Why create experiences of an afterlife, even in atheists who become ex-atheists? Why not just black out into non-existence?
Your unproven explanation can only make sense to twits.
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Post by goz on Nov 20, 2018 23:33:29 GMT
You seem to be missing the entire point. (as usual) NDE are just that. The people did not die. They recount their experiences which were caused by the brain shutting down as it does, close to death. There is scientific evidence of this, as it is caused by a lessening of oxygen and a consequent raising of CO2 levels causing the brain to chemically and electically malfunction in a predictable manner. It is predictable and scientifically understood and has NOTHING to do with an afterlife. Why would the brain create such an elaborate, detailed, and life-changing experience for someone who's dying or unconscious? Why create experiences of an afterlife, even in atheists who become ex-atheists? Why not just black out into non-existence?
Your unproven explanation can only make sense to twits.
I don't know, it just does. It is a biochemical and electrical anomaly and doesn't happen to everyone so far as we know... as most people actually die and don't come back to re-tell their near death experiences. BTW my explanation is not 'unproven'. These NDE have been induced in experimental situations. It is a recognised phenomenon.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 21, 2018 11:42:25 GMT
Have you ever said anything that made any sense? You sure don't have any logic. I could be wasted on acid and whiskey and still write more coherent posts than any of the nonsense you've ever "contributed" to any forum, anywhere. Yes, shit for brains. Dreams have a function in consolidating memory. That is something that evolved over time, like every other aspect of our biology. I know, science, and reality generally, aren't really your thing.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 21, 2018 11:43:42 GMT
Yes, they have been verified asshole. No they haven't, clueless wonder--not with scientific controls in place. Without those, we have no way of weeding out bias and self delusion. You don't know the first thing about the scientific method.
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Post by heeeeey on Nov 21, 2018 12:04:29 GMT
Yes, they have been verified asshole. No they haven't, clueless wonder--not with scientific controls in place. Without those, we have no way of weeding out bias and self delusion. You don't know the first thing about the scientific method. What science has done is bring people back from having been declared dead. I will believe those who have experienced it to those who haven't. The brain creating a spiritual experience in a dead person brought back to life, or even in a 'near' death patient, doesn't make any sense. You dumbasses pass it off as brain chemicals because you can't explain it.
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