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Post by Aj_June on Dec 5, 2018 13:43:24 GMT
Where does the electricity that powers anything come from? And why would the brain 'simulate' 360° awareness outside of itself? Where does the electricity that powers anything come from?
And how does the brain simulate 360° awareness outside of itself?
Your tend to ask questions that you think get to the bottom of the problem with someone else's explanation yet they only uncover the problems with your explanations...since you can't answer them either.
Well, I readily admit that I do not know how the brain works. I have never studied that field. That said I do believe once you die your "consciousness" cant get magically transported to another body or in another dimension of reality whatever that means. To prove me so one needs to show that a once dead person's consciousness now resides in another body. Merely using fancy words wouldn't convince me. In short I believe that once you die then you are dead forever.
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Post by rizdek on Dec 5, 2018 13:58:46 GMT
No, you can't. Stop with all this pretense of "I know something you don't know" and get with the meaningful explanations. You backed out of our previous conversation. See if you can make it with this one. I contend you have absolutely NO CLUE how the brain works, no clue how it "communicates" with this other thing you want us to believe exists nor any clue how that other thing works or what it is. I say you have no better clue how to explain consciousness than the person who tends to think consciousness is natural.
Maybe this will be the easier question for you since you seem certain of it. What about nature precludes it being the source and foundation of consciousness? Where did nature come from? I never claimed to know how the brain works. Goz and faustus claimed to know that 'brain chemicals' explain everything. I said the brain acts as a receiver. Why does nature have to have come from somewhere? Where did the something that nature "came from" come from?
How do you know the brain acts as a receiver? But if you have no better idea that Goz and faustus, then what makes their explanation inadequate? At least their explanation is testable. Is yours?
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 5, 2018 14:15:13 GMT
Russell was not only a genius at painting, sculpting, and physics, but spoke from personal experience. He also spoke without possessing a single qualification on the subject of the science and philosophy of consciousness. Your plumber's opinion on the subject carries just as much weight, shit for brains.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 15:15:18 GMT
Russell was not only a genius at painting, sculpting, and physics, but spoke from personal experience. He also spoke without possessing a single qualification on the subject of the science and philosophy of consciousness. Your plumber's opinion on the subject carries just as much weight, shit for brains. ^^^Another legend in his own mind.
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Post by Catman on Dec 5, 2018 15:22:06 GMT
Russell was not only a genius at painting, sculpting, and physics, but spoke from personal experience. He also spoke without possessing a single qualification on the subject of the science and philosophy of consciousness. Your plumber's opinion on the subject carries just as much weight, shit for brains. Catman's plumber from years back actually had a master's degree in philosophy and a PhD in education. But he never said such a thing. He was more of an externalist in that regard. And then he went and mistook a Delta faucet for a Moen faucet. Curious that.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 15:33:46 GMT
He also spoke without possessing a single qualification on the subject of the science and philosophy of consciousness. Your plumber's opinion on the subject carries just as much weight, shit for brains. Catman's plumber from years back actually had a master's degree in philosophy and a PhD in education. But he never said such a thing. He was more of an externalist in that regard. And then he went and mistook a Delta faucet for a Moen faucet. Curious that. Some of the stupidest people have degrees. faustus5
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 20:24:07 GMT
Since Where does the electricity that powers anything come from?
And how does the brain simulate 360° awareness outside of itself?
Your tend to ask questions that you think get to the bottom of the problem with someone else's explanation yet they only uncover the problems with your explanations...since you can't answer them either.
Oh, I can answer it all right. I just want goz to think about it. I don't need to 'think' about it, because others before me have done the hard science ( and still are) giving me the answers if I only have enough intelligence and intellect to be able to read and understand the science. In your case I picked the simplest online explanation for dummies, though I doubt you will read it nor understand because you are perhaps the single stupidest poster on these Boards. health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/human-body-make-electricity.htmIF you are comprehending this article at all. As I said previously, life in the body, circulation, consciousness in the brain is a complex chemical and electrical interaction. When this ceases, BOTH brain and body die. Since there is no other 'vehicle' of similar process, because life is caused by those processes, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that consciousness can continue. It is wishful thinking that a consciousness or soul could continue after death, because it simply CANNOT as there are none of these causative processes available. No body, no cell, no atoms, no chemicals, and no consequent electrical impulses getting to our brain to cause any of the bodily functions to happen. Dead. As we have discussed before, as this process happens the can be an 'interruption of these complex processes, and a near death experience can be experience due to hypoxia, IF the person subsequently survives to tell the tale. The are very real and explicable if you understand the underlying chemistry and physics.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 20:35:57 GMT
Since Oh, I can answer it all right. I just want goz to think about it. I don't need to 'think' about it, because others before me have done the hard science ( and still are) giving me the answers if I only have enough intelligence and intellect to be able to read and understand the science. In your case I picked the simplest online explanation for dummies, though I doubt you will read it nor understand because you are perhaps the single stupidest poster on these Boards. health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/human-body-make-electricity.htmIF you are comprehending this article at all. As I said previously, life in the body, circulation, consciousness in the brain is a complex chemical and electrical interaction. When this ceases, BOTH brain and body die. Since there is no other 'vehicle' of similar process, because life is caused by those processes, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that consciousness can continue. It is wishful thinking that a consciousness or soul could continue after death, because it simply CANNOT as there are none of these causative processes available. No body, no cell, no atoms, no chemicals, and no consequent electrical impulses getting to our brain to cause any of the bodily functions to happen. Dead. As we have discussed before, as this process happens the can be an 'interruption of these complex processes, and a near death experience can be experience due to hypoxia, IF the person subsequently survives to tell the tale. The are very real and explicable if you understand the underlying chemistry and physics. I have never disputed any of that, twit.
You are incapable of fathoming what I'm trying to explain to you. The atoms and chemicals are NOT 'awareness'. People who say 'hypoxia' creates NDE's are speculating because they have never had one. I'll be damned if someone who has never experienced something can tell someone who has what it was they experienced or what caused it. They are speculating from a point of ignorance.
Again, why would the brain bother to create an NDE or a simulation of a 360-degree awareness outside of itself? Think about how stupid that sounds. Why create an illusion of something that doesn't exist? Why don't these people come back saying they saw unicorns and leprechauns?
You want to stay stuck on chemistry because you're too limited to consider what's beyond it. You and that other twit faustus5 can only rely on what you're told because you don't have the intelligence to think for yourselves.
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 5, 2018 20:45:57 GMT
I'll be damned if someone who has never experienced something can tell someone who has what it was they experienced or what caused it. Oh, okay. So if a doctor hasn't experienced a heart attack, her opinions about its causes are worthless. Same for a neurosurgeon who has never experienced a stroke. And lets just pretend there haven't been neuroscientists whose knowledge of the brain permitted them to correctly predict hallucinations no one had ever experienced before. Gotcha. Except sometimes they do, shit for brains. Remember the case of the kids who came back from a NDE talking about seeing Power Rangers? People only see what is around them in their culture--because it is all a hallucination in the first place.
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 20:49:23 GMT
SinceI don't need to 'think' about it, because others before me have done the hard science ( and still are) giving me the answers if I only have enough intelligence and intellect to be able to read and understand the science. In your case I picked the simplest online explanation for dummies, though I doubt you will read it nor understand because you are perhaps the single stupidest poster on these Boards. health.howstuffworks.com/human-body/systems/nervous-system/human-body-make-electricity.htmIF you are comprehending this article at all. As I said previously, life in the body, circulation, consciousness in the brain is a complex chemical and electrical interaction. When this ceases, BOTH brain and body die. Since there is no other 'vehicle' of similar process, because life is caused by those processes, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that consciousness can continue. It is wishful thinking that a consciousness or soul could continue after death, because it simply CANNOT as there are none of these causative processes available. No body, no cell, no atoms, no chemicals, and no consequent electrical impulses getting to our brain to cause any of the bodily functions to happen. Dead. As we have discussed before, as this process happens the can be an 'interruption of these complex processes, and a near death experience can be experience due to hypoxia, IF the person subsequently survives to tell the tale. The are very real and explicable if you understand the underlying chemistry and physics. I have never disputed any of that, twit.
You are incapable of fathoming what I'm trying to explain to you. The atoms and chemicals are NOT 'awareness'. People who say 'hypoxia' creates NDE's are speculating because they have never had one. I'll be damned if someone who has never experienced something can tell someone who has what it was they experienced or what caused it. They are speculating from a point of ignorance.
Again, why would the brain bother to create an NDE or a simulation of a 360-degree awareness outside of itself? Think about how stupid that sounds. Why create an illusion of something that doesn't exist? Why don't these people come back saying they saw unicorns and leprechauns?
You want to stay stuck on chemistry because you're too limited to consider what's beyond it. You and that other twit faustus5 can only rely on what you're told because you don't have the intelligence to think for yourselves. You have actually disputed all this, and are learning as you go along. You are welcome, though it shouldn't be my place to educate you. We should all be responsible for our level of education and knowledge. No, they facilitate it in the brain, as they facilitate physical movement and functioning in the body through the complex chemical and electrical processes. There is nothing else. I knew you wouldn't understand. You remind me of Arlon who says he 'fought dictionaries and won' You are fighting the whole mainstream scientific and medical world, which only functions due to the truth of this body of knowledge about the functioning of the human body. You think you know better? Tell us all, what is beyond the way the human body functions, and please explain HOW it functions? I have explained it in a way that is testable, innovative of new technology, currently framing the whole medical, pharmaceutical and surgical professions saving lives everyday.....butt you know better? DO TELL! Where is this 'consciousness/soul' seated? What is it made from? How does it transcend death? How do you know it does? Where is the new host when the old body dies? How does it connect with other 'souls' (like family and friends) to make this process worth while? Your turn!
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 20:58:06 GMT
I'll be damned if someone who has never experienced something can tell someone who has what it was they experienced or what caused it. Oh, okay. So if a doctor hasn't experienced a heart attack, her opinions about its causes are worthless. Same for a neurosurgeon who has never experienced a stroke. And lets just pretend there haven't been neuroscientists whose knowledge of the brain permitted them to correctly predict hallucinations no one had ever experienced before. Gotcha. Except sometimes they do, shit for brains. Remember the case of the kids who came back from a NDE talking about seeing Power Rangers? People only see what is around them in their culture--because it is all a hallucination in the first place.
You're so stupid (and desperate) that now you're comparing a heart attack with an NDE--something that cannot be measured by a mere doctor.
And I know you like to use that anomaly of the kid who saw the Power Rangers, but I'll note that you had to dig up an exception to prove the rule.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 21:02:13 GMT
I have never disputed any of that, twit.
You are incapable of fathoming what I'm trying to explain to you. The atoms and chemicals are NOT 'awareness'. People who say 'hypoxia' creates NDE's are speculating because they have never had one. I'll be damned if someone who has never experienced something can tell someone who has what it was they experienced or what caused it. They are speculating from a point of ignorance.
Again, why would the brain bother to create an NDE or a simulation of a 360-degree awareness outside of itself? Think about how stupid that sounds. Why create an illusion of something that doesn't exist? Why don't these people come back saying they saw unicorns and leprechauns?
You want to stay stuck on chemistry because you're too limited to consider what's beyond it. You and that other twit faustus5 can only rely on what you're told because you don't have the intelligence to think for yourselves. You have actually disputed all this, and are learning as you go along. You are welcome, though it shouldn't be my place to educate you. We should all be responsible for our level of education and knowledge. No, they facilitate it in the brain, as they facilitate physical movement and functioning in the body through the complex chemical and electrical processes. There is nothing else. I knew you wouldn't understand. You remind me of Arlon who says he 'fought dictionaries and won' You are fighting the whole mainstream scientific and medical world, which only functions due to the truth of this body of knowledge about the functioning of the human body. You think you know better? Tell us all, what is beyond the way the human body functions, and please explain HOW it functions? I have explained it in a way that is testable, innovative of new technology, currently framing the whole medical, pharmaceutical and surgical professions saving lives everyday.....butt you know better? DO TELL! Where is this 'consciousness/soul' seated? What is it made from? How does it transcend death? How do you know it does? Where is the new host when the old body dies? How does it connect with other 'souls' (like family and friends) to make this process worth while? Your turn! Pompous asses like yourself and faustus5 think everything that can be known is already known, but you're wrong. There is lots that is beyond anyone's comprehension--even the comprehension of your precious doctors and scientists. Otherwise why do they bother to continue studying anything if they already know everything?
Although certain fields of science are getting closer to proving how awareness is not the body, it's still not that simple to prove, especially to simpletons like yourselves who wouldn't know an original thought if it bit you on the ass.
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 21:15:50 GMT
Oh, okay. So if a doctor hasn't experienced a heart attack, her opinions about its causes are worthless. Same for a neurosurgeon who has never experienced a stroke. And lets just pretend there haven't been neuroscientists whose knowledge of the brain permitted them to correctly predict hallucinations no one had ever experienced before. Gotcha. Except sometimes they do, shit for brains. Remember the case of the kids who came back from a NDE talking about seeing Power Rangers? People only see what is around them in their culture--because it is all a hallucination in the first place.
You're so stupid (and desperate) that now you're comparing a heart attack with an NDE--something that cannot be measured by a mere doctor.
And I know you like to use that anomaly of the kid who saw the Power Rangers, but I'll note that you had to dig up an exception to prove the rule.
The effects of hypoxia on the brain have been well researched and documented hence 'mere' doctors have an excellent understanding of NDE. Some have even been induced under laboratory conditions. links to this have previously been produced ( and ignored by you) in the copious other threads on this red herring about consciousness. I will say it one more time. NDE's are real and explainable and scientifically understood by doctors and neuroscientists.
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 21:24:25 GMT
NO-WHERE You have actually disputed all this, and are learning as you go along. You are welcome, though it shouldn't be my place to educate you. We should all be responsible for our level of education and knowledge. No, they facilitate it in the brain, as they facilitate physical movement and functioning in the body through the complex chemical and electrical processes. There is nothing else. I knew you wouldn't understand. You remind me of Arlon who says he 'fought dictionaries and won' You are fighting the whole mainstream scientific and medical world, which only functions due to the truth of this body of knowledge about the functioning of the human body. You think you know better? Tell us all, what is beyond the way the human body functions, and please explain HOW it functions? I have explained it in a way that is testable, innovative of new technology, currently framing the whole medical, pharmaceutical and surgical professions saving lives everyday.....butt you know better? DO TELL! Where is this 'consciousness/soul' seated? What is it made from? How does it transcend death? How do you know it does? Where is the new host when the old body dies? How does it connect with other 'souls' (like family and friends) to make this process worth while? Your turn! Pompous asses like yourself and faustus5 think everything that can be known is already known, but you're wrong. There is lots that is beyond anyone's comprehension--even the comprehension of your precious doctors and scientists. Otherwise why do they bother to continue studying anything if they already know everything?
Although certain fields of science are getting closer to proving how awareness is not the body, it's still not that simple to prove, especially to simpletons like yourselves who wouldn't know an original thought if it bit you on the ass.
Right! So you can't. NOWHERE did I claim that However, ENOUGH is known about the human body for doctors to be able to save lives with their knowledge and technology. Evidence, links to reliable repeatable peer reviewed testable scientific studies, required of this claim. You are talking out your arse. What has an 'original thought' have to do with anything when we are talking about the science of how the human brain and body work? What you call 'original thoughts' appear to be unfounded quasi scientific mumbo jumbo without any foundation in truth.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 21:35:54 GMT
You're so stupid (and desperate) that now you're comparing a heart attack with an NDE--something that cannot be measured by a mere doctor.
And I know you like to use that anomaly of the kid who saw the Power Rangers, but I'll note that you had to dig up an exception to prove the rule.
The effects of hypoxia on the brain have been well researched and documented hence 'mere' doctors have an excellent understanding of NDE. Some have even been induced under laboratory conditions. links to this have previously been produced ( and ignored by you) in the copious other threads on this red herring about consciousness. I will say it one more time. NDE's are real and explainable and scientifically understood by doctors and neuroscientists. I already explained to your ignorant ass that just because doctors can 'simulate' an experience does not negate the genuine experience. They can choke their dumb asses all day and not disprove what someone who had a 'genuine' NDE experienced. The measure of a 'genuine' NDE is that the person becomes a changed person and even lives his/her life differently. I doubt very much those pompous asses became different people due to their fake NDEs.
What they have explained is how to SIMULATE an NDE.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 21:37:10 GMT
NO-WHERE Pompous asses like yourself and faustus5 think everything that can be known is already known, but you're wrong. There is lots that is beyond anyone's comprehension--even the comprehension of your precious doctors and scientists. Otherwise why do they bother to continue studying anything if they already know everything?
Although certain fields of science are getting closer to proving how awareness is not the body, it's still not that simple to prove, especially to simpletons like yourselves who wouldn't know an original thought if it bit you on the ass.
Right! So you can't. NOWHERE did I claim that However, ENOUGH is known about the human body for doctors to be able to save lives with their knowledge and technology. Evidence, links to reliable repeatable peer reviewed testable scientific studies, required of this claim. You are talking out your arse. What has an 'original thought' have to do with anything when we are talking about the science of how the human brain and body work? What you call 'original thoughts' appear to be unfounded quasi scientific mumbo jumbo without any foundation in truth. The know ENOUGH for their limited and easily impressed minds. ENOUGH is NOT 'all there is'. To proclaim they know 'enough' to satisfy the likes of twits like you isn't saying much, and should even be considered severely lacking.
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 21:41:11 GMT
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 21:44:43 GMT
What the fool cannot understand he laughs at. Or in your case, 'she'.
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Post by goz on Dec 5, 2018 23:12:29 GMT
understand What the fool cannot understand he laughs at. Or in your case, 'she'. What can't I understand? We all know that you cannot understand the science! If you are talking about 'new age' quasi scientific 'spiritual' out of body mumbo jumbo...there is really no point because it is wishful thinking wanna be total nonsense. AGAIN produce some evidence that it isn't! You haven't managed so far in all the threads on this pitiful subject!
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 5, 2018 23:20:23 GMT
understand What the fool cannot understand he laughs at. Or in your case, 'she'. What can't I understand? We all know that you cannot understand the science! If you are talking about 'new age' quasi scientific 'spiritual' out of body mumbo jumbo...there is really no point because it is wishful thinking wanna be total nonsense. AGAIN produce some evidence that it isn't! You haven't managed so far in all the threads on this pitiful subject! You don't understand what AWARENESS is. You actually believe it's brain chemicals. You believe the love you have for your family is nothing but brain chemicals. That's sad.
In other words, nothing exists for you unless it's proven by science. Atoms and bacteria did not exist until the microscope was invented. Well, there are things that exist now that science hasn't caught up to yet.
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