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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 16:29:05 GMT
I'd be curious to hear McCauley Culkin's response to that article. He testified at Jackson's trial as a character witness. It doesn't mean he couldn't have lied to manipulate the kid, but both Culkin and Feldman have said Jackson was never inappropriate. I really hope the stuff in that article is a lie but we'll never know I guess It contradicts what Culkin said in court. According to the article,he abused Culkin as well. It says Jackson was crazy about his lips. I don't know more about this than you do. But then there is Culkin's testimony and that he didn't fit Jackson's type. I think Jackson went after boys who could never outpower him. Culkin, OTOH, had a voice and abusing him would have been too risky, Feldman has zero credibility as far as I am concerned. clusium
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 16:50:34 GMT
I believe it. Anyone who believes a grown man who sleeps with children (with a big lock on his bedroom door) isn't molesting them is either an idiot or in serious denial. My whole problem with it from go was that if it is true the parents shpuld have been charged with prosituting their kids. They took money and gifts from him. It's like they were willfully obtuse hoping for a payday. They shouldn't have received a dime.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 13, 2019 17:00:00 GMT
I believe it. Anyone who believes a grown man who sleeps with children (with a big lock on his bedroom door) isn't molesting them is either an idiot or in serious denial. My whole problem with it from go was that if it is true the parents shpuld have been charged with prosituting their kids. They took money and gifts from him. It's like they were willfully obtuse hoping for a payday. They shouldn't have received a dime. I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
My whole problem with it from go was that if it is true the parents shpuld have been charged with prosituting their kids. They took money and gifts from him. It's like they were willfully obtuse hoping for a payday. They shouldn't have received a dime. I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out. That makes sense, but the family of tne second boy is even worse IMO. Why wpuld you let ypur kid spend the night in his home if there was even a question of a prior act?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 17:26:56 GMT
I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out. That makes sense, but the family of tne second boy is even worse IMO. Why wpuld you let ypur kid spend the night in his home if there was even a question of a prior act? That prostituting charge is not that easy to establish, I think. Furthermore, the parents received money and gifts themselves, over and over and over a long time. How do you force them to testify in court? Against themselves? You cannot force a kid to testify in court against his parents either.
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Post by clusium on Jan 13, 2019 17:56:33 GMT
I'd be curious to hear McCauley Culkin's response to that article. He testified at Jackson's trial as a character witness. It doesn't mean he couldn't have lied to manipulate the kid, but both Culkin and Feldman have said Jackson was never inappropriate. I really hope the stuff in that article is a lie but we'll never know I guess It contradicts what Culkin said in court. According to the article,he abused Culkin as well. It says Jackson was crazy about his lips. I don't know more about this than you do. But then there is Culkin's testimony and that he didn't fit Jackson's type. I think Jackson went after boys who could never outpower him. Culkin, OTOH, had a voice and abusing him would have been too risky, Feldman has zero credibility as far as I am concerned. clusium Yes, but, regarding Michael Jackson, not only did Feldman deny him doing any wrong doing, but, Haim denied him doing anything wrong also, according to his friends.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 17:59:19 GMT
My whole problem with it from go was that if it is true the parents shpuld have been charged with prosituting their kids. They took money and gifts from him. It's like they were willfully obtuse hoping for a payday. They shouldn't have received a dime. I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out. I think you would be able to prove that the money was given in return for sexual favors. That strikes me as difficult as well.@marilynluvstigger
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 18:02:09 GMT
It contradicts what Culkin said in court. According to the article,he abused Culkin as well. It says Jackson was crazy about his lips. I don't know more about this than you do. But then there is Culkin's testimony and that he didn't fit Jackson's type. I think Jackson went after boys who could never outpower him. Culkin, OTOH, had a voice and abusing him would have been too risky, Feldman has zero credibility as far as I am concerned. clusium Yes, but, regarding Michael Jackson, not only did Feldman deny him doing any wrong doing, but, Haim denied him doing anything wrong also, according to his friends. Haim was friends with Jackson too? My guess is that Jackson left alone those who were rich and famous themselves and who had credibility in the public eye. His victims and their parents always needed him financially. The famous ones were used to maintain his clean image. As far as Feldman is concerned, given the business he is in right now, I would say he doesn't want to ruin his relations with the Jackson family. Who knows, he might get a penny or two out of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 22:50:56 GMT
My whole problem with it from go was that if it is true the parents shpuld have been charged with prosituting their kids. They took money and gifts from him. It's like they were willfully obtuse hoping for a payday. They shouldn't have received a dime. I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out. It is not about discrediting the victims. Kids from dysfunctional families usually don't trust their parents since they often happen to be abusive. It is far easier to get between kids and parents if there is no trust. To pull it off, you need also to be able to discredit the parents, make the kids lose their respect for them and be the most important attachment figure. Children from functional families don't have such needs since they are emotionally and physically nurtured and provided for. They have their caregivers, unlike kids from dysfunctional families. This gap is the entrance gate for human predators.
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Post by clusium on Jan 13, 2019 23:03:13 GMT
Yes, but, regarding Michael Jackson, not only did Feldman deny him doing any wrong doing, but, Haim denied him doing anything wrong also, according to his friends. Haim was friends with Jackson too? My guess is that Jackson left alone those who were rich and famous themselves and who had credibility in the public eye. His victims and their parents always needed him financially. The famous ones were used to maintain his clean image. As far as Feldman is concerned, given the business he is in right now, I would say he doesn't want to ruin his relations with the Jackson family. Who knows, he might get a penny or two out of them. No, but, he did meet him through Feldman. I doubt the Jacksons care to help out Corey Feldman.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 23:08:35 GMT
Haim was friends with Jackson too? My guess is that Jackson left alone those who were rich and famous themselves and who had credibility in the public eye. His victims and their parents always needed him financially. The famous ones were used to maintain his clean image. As far as Feldman is concerned, given the business he is in right now, I would say he doesn't want to ruin his relations with the Jackson family. Who knows, he might get a penny or two out of them. No, but, he did meet him through Feldman. I doubt the Jacksons care to help out Corey Feldman. No, but pay him a dollar or two because he says he knows the pedos in Hollywood and claims that MJ was not one of them. That is a priceless statement.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 13, 2019 23:19:03 GMT
I recall that the TV series L&O: Criminal Intent had an episode loosely based on the MJ case. Predators often target children from dysfunctional families or who have issues, because it makes them easier to discredit if they speak out. It is not about discrediting the victims. Kids from dysfunctional families usually don't trust their parents since they often happen to be abusive. It is far easier to get between kids and parents if there is no trust. To pull it off, you need also to be able to discredit the parents, make the kids lose their respect for them and be the most important attachment figure. Children from functional families don't have such needs since they are emotionally and physically nurtured and provided for. They have their caregivers, unlike kids from dysfunctional families. This gap is the entrance gate for human predators. I watched that entire trial. It's always about discrediting the victims. That's the first thing criminal defense attorneys do.
The first thing MJ's attorneys did was call his accuser a liar, and then proceeded to smear him. That's the reason he was acquitted, because the attorneys did a good job of discrediting his accuser.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 23:37:06 GMT
It is not about discrediting the victims. Kids from dysfunctional families usually don't trust their parents since they often happen to be abusive. It is far easier to get between kids and parents if there is no trust. To pull it off, you need also to be able to discredit the parents, make the kids lose their respect for them and be the most important attachment figure. Children from functional families don't have such needs since they are emotionally and physically nurtured and provided for. They have their caregivers, unlike kids from dysfunctional families. This gap is the entrance gate for human predators. I watched that entire trial. It's always about discrediting the victims. That's the first thing criminal defense attorneys do.
The first thing MJ's attorneys did was call his accuser a liar, and then proceeded to smear him. That's the reason he was acquitted, because the attorneys did a good job of discrediting his accuser.
Pedos who approach their victims do not think about what will happen in the trial because they don't think at all, certainly not about a trial. If they had such foresight, they would either not do it or be more careful.
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Post by clusium on Jan 13, 2019 23:56:26 GMT
No, but, he did meet him through Feldman. I doubt the Jacksons care to help out Corey Feldman. No, but pay him a dollar or two because he says he knows the pedos in Hollywood and claims that MJ was not one of them. That is a priceless statement. True, but, I think Feldman has shown far more respect to Michael Jackson's memory, than he did for Haim's. Even when they had a fallout, he never accused MJ of molestation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 0:36:25 GMT
No, but pay him a dollar or two because he says he knows the pedos in Hollywood and claims that MJ was not one of them. That is a priceless statement. True, but, I think Feldman has shown far more respect to Michael Jackson's memory, than he did for Haim's. Even when they had a fallout, he never accused MJ of molestation. What if nothing happened? What if Feldman was used by Jackson to maintain his clean image?
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Post by clusium on Jan 14, 2019 0:44:59 GMT
True, but, I think Feldman has shown far more respect to Michael Jackson's memory, than he did for Haim's. Even when they had a fallout, he never accused MJ of molestation. What if nothing happened? What if Feldman was used by Jackson to maintain his clean image? That's a possibility.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 14, 2019 1:03:04 GMT
I watched that entire trial. It's always about discrediting the victims. That's the first thing criminal defense attorneys do.
The first thing MJ's attorneys did was call his accuser a liar, and then proceeded to smear him. That's the reason he was acquitted, because the attorneys did a good job of discrediting his accuser.
Pedos who approach their victims do not think about what will happen in the trial because they don't think at all, certainly not about a trial. If they had such foresight, they would either not do it or be more careful. The ones as famous as MJ might though, especially when there had been accusations in the past.
I think he was horribly abused himself as a child, and might have even been castrated to keep his falsetto voice, but that wouldn't be any kind of excuse for what he did.
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Post by heeeeey on Jan 14, 2019 2:05:48 GMT
I'm not a fan of Jackson's music and I have no idea if he was a child molester. But this "Jordie" fool whose story is told here by some conveniently "anonymous" smear artist, has admitted that he invented the phony charges against Jackson at the behest of his gold digging parents. Why are you posting this as if it's some secret that hasn't already been hashed out in court and in the media and shown to be false? Did you watch the trial?
None of his personal life was 'proven to be false'. Information came out about him during the trial, but he wasn't on trial for having a big lock on his bedroom door, having photos of nude boys, sleepovers, etc. All he was on trial for was molesting that particular boy within a particular time frame. That's all. Because the defense did a good job of discrediting that particular little boy, he was acquitted.
None of the information that came out about him during the trial was proven to be false.
He did sleep with little boys in his room. He did have an automatic lock on his door. He did pay off parents for their silence, etc. The trial brought information to light about him, but he wasn't on trial for those things.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 3:41:59 GMT
Pedos who approach their victims do not think about what will happen in the trial because they don't think at all, certainly not about a trial. If they had such foresight, they would either not do it or be more careful. The ones as famous as MJ might though, especially when there had been accusations in the past.
I think he was horribly abused himself as a child, and might have even been castrated to keep his falsetto voice, but that wouldn't be any kind of excuse for what he did.
No. MJ is not all pedophiles and he certainly didn't change his pattern after he was discovered. No, he hasn't been castrated, that is ridiculous. You keep that voice through practise, practise and practise. His real voice, btw, as has been accounted by many, was deep and sonor. He maintained that voice because he became famous as a child and he wanted to be remembered as such. He had absolute control of that 'instrument'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 3:50:02 GMT
I'm not a fan of Jackson's music and I have no idea if he was a child molester. But this "Jordie" fool whose story is told here by some conveniently "anonymous" smear artist, has admitted that he invented the phony charges against Jackson at the behest of his gold digging parents. Why are you posting this as if it's some secret that hasn't already been hashed out in court and in the media and shown to be false? It has never been proven to be false in court. Jackson paid him hushmoney, $22m. He is not anonymous. These are excerpts from this book: www.goodreads.com/book/show/1766838.Michael_Jackson_Was_My_Lover
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