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Post by Nicko's Nose on Jan 15, 2019 0:18:09 GMT
Pedos who approach their victims do not think about what will happen in the trial because they don't think at all, certainly not about a trial. If they had such foresight, they would either not do it or be more careful. he might have even been castrated to keep his falsetto voice dat stupidity doe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 0:36:55 GMT
Maybe the reason the media focuses on the CC is the frequency with which it happens. All of this turns the clergy and its members into hypocrites. It's not like people didn't need spiritual guidance and counsel. But it's hard to turn to such an institution when they are even worse than you are. I agree. Those priests & those Bishops were hypocrites, and so would all other Catholics agree. One reason for the frequency though, is because not only is the Catholic Church the oldest denomination of the Christian religion, but, it is also the LARGEST denomination of the Christian religion, & Christianity itself, is the largest religion in the whole world. Possible. The abuse is also very high, certainly above average when you measure relatively, in percents, that is. It's inexusable and indefensable behavior. They should stop to preach morals to the whole world and instead focus on their own wrong doings. Maybe then they would stop losing members. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 0:40:50 GMT
No, the Catholic Church is acknowledging from its own MOUTH that the rape of children is an intrinsically evil act. Sheesh! Welcome to the modern world. Its taken them a long time to catch up and have some sort of acknowledgement for its OWN evil and manipulation throughout time. It is the mouth of the serpent. No. It is the mouth of the serpent that has ENTERED into the Church. The Church in & of itself has ALWAYS taught good vs evil. However, even among its own ranks, it has had its share of wolves in sheep's clothing. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 0:43:17 GMT
I agree. Those priests & those Bishops were hypocrites, and so would all other Catholics agree. One reason for the frequency though, is because not only is the Catholic Church the oldest denomination of the Christian religion, but, it is also the LARGEST denomination of the Christian religion, & Christianity itself, is the largest religion in the whole world. Possible. The abuse is also very high, certainly above average when you measure relatively, in percents, that is. It's inexusable and indefensable behavior. They should stop to preach morals to the whole world and instead focus on their own wrong doings. Maybe then they would stop losing members. Actually no; the percentage of abusive men in the priesthood is no higher and no lower than the rest of society. Please note: That is NOT an excuse or a defence. One single priest committing a sex offence against a minor, is way, way, too many. Never mind an entire percentage. |
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Post by deembastille on Jan 15, 2019 0:55:31 GMT
FOCUS!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 0:56:32 GMT
Possible. The abuse is also very high, certainly above average when you measure relatively, in percents, that is. It's inexusable and indefensable behavior. They should stop to preach morals to the whole world and instead focus on their own wrong doings. Maybe then they would stop losing members. Actually no; the percentage of abusive men in the priesthood is no higher and no lower than the rest of society. Please note: That is NOT an excuse or a defence. One single priest committing a sex offence against a minor, is way, way, too many. Never mind an entire percentage. It is higher simply because most men in society don't live in celibacy. There is a difference between pedophile disposition and pedophile behavior. I think many of those kids are abused simply because they are both available and submissive and those priests are horny. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 0:58:24 GMT
Actually no; the percentage of abusive men in the priesthood is no higher and no lower than the rest of society. Please note: That is NOT an excuse or a defence. One single priest committing a sex offence against a minor, is way, way, too many. Never mind an entire percentage. It is higher simply because most men in society don't live in celibacy. There is a difference between pedophile disposition and pedophile behavior. I think many of those kids are abused simply because they are both available and submissive and those priests are horny. Well those priests that had been abusive. Most men that enter the priesthood keep their vows of celibacy, just like most men that marry do not commit adultery. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 1:07:17 GMT
It is higher simply because most men in society don't live in celibacy. There is a difference between pedophile disposition and pedophile behavior. I think many of those kids are abused simply because they are both available and submissive and those priests are horny. Well those priests that had been abusive. Most men that enter the priesthood keep their vows of celibacy, just like most men that marry do not commit adultery. Some of them might. But again, given the frequency with which happens and the peer pressure that seems to exist to engage in sexual abuse, I find it laughable when they speak of celibacy. You know, it didn't just happen in Boston. It happened all over the US, in South America and Europe. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 1:11:20 GMT
Well those priests that had been abusive. Most men that enter the priesthood keep their vows of celibacy, just like most men that marry do not commit adultery. Some of them might. But again, given the frequency with which happens and the peer pressure that seems to exist to engage in sexual abuse, I find it laughable when they speak of celibacy. You know, it didn't just happen in Boston. It happened all over the US, in South America and Europe. Yes, I am well aware, Stella_Blue. In fact, the very first sex scandal in the Catholic Church that I had heard about, did not occur in Boston Massachusetts. It happened in Newfoundland, when priests & brothers that were running a boys' orphanage had been found to have sexually abused them. This was over 30 years ago, when it had been exposed. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 4:10:16 GMT
No. It is the mouth of the serpent that has ENTERED into the Church. The Church in & of itself has ALWAYS taught good vs evil. However, even among its own ranks, it has had its share of wolves in sheep's clothing. It depends on what ones concept of good and evil is. I certainly wouldn't trust the Catholic Diocese to impart its misguided, distorted and hypocritical teachings onto me. Then don't join. Nobody is forcing you to. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 4:12:30 GMT
Actually no; the percentage of abusive men in the priesthood is no higher and no lower than the rest of society. Please note: That is NOT an excuse or a defence. One single priest committing a sex offence against a minor, is way, way, too many. Never mind an entire percentage. However, it is way way too many in the CC. True. Just like there are way way too many in all groups in society and the world. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 15, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
Jacko was definitely wacko.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 15, 2019 9:22:18 GMT
"But I thought that what Michael was telling me was okay. How could I think differently? He had been almost all over the world, and had been surrounded by great minds, like Michael Milken and movie director Steven Spielberg. He read and wrote a lot, and he was very successful. Why would I think that Michael would lie to me? If he wanted to tell me, fine. I did not ask him questions, at least, not during those days" I remember he wanted to be Peter Pan in a Spielberg movie and he said "I love Steven so much." I would be creeped out to be loved by Michael Jackson--then again there's speculation about SS and the pedos too. Michael Jackson had serious problems. I read some of the stuff against Spielberg. One of the damning pieces of evidence was how Sam Neil pokes at the stomach of the annoying kid with a velociraptor claw at the beginning of Jurassic Park. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 15, 2019 9:45:34 GMT
I read some of the stuff against Spielberg. One of the damning pieces of evidence was how Sam Neil pokes at the stomach of the annoying kid with a velociraptor claw at the beginning of Jurassic Park. Hmm. I never thought about that although now that you mention it, it made Grant look like a weirdo. I did think the sub plot about Grant learning to like kids was heavy-handed. Crispin Glover brought up vague allegations in an essay. The only thing I heard with Spielberg was Sean Young saying a famous movie mogul harassed her and then tried to torpedo her career. I figure it was either Spielberg or Ridley Scott. Young auditioned for Raiders--not sure why she was didn't get it. Years later she was asked what advice she would give to an actress and she shrugged, "I don't know-sleep with Spielberg?"
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 14:19:12 GMT
Then don't join. Nobody is forcing you to. Non-sequitur. Nice deflection, but why would one want to be in league with evil? Because the Catholic Church, in & of itself, is not evil. It is very good. Rather, it's members of its hierarchy & its adherents in general, that can be evil. One does not leave the Lord Jesus, because of Judas Iscariot. |
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Post by clusium on Jan 15, 2019 14:19:56 GMT
True. Just like there are way way too many in all groups in society and the world.  With the Catholic institution leading the way. No its not. Only the media focus (which is actually a good thing). |
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Post by deembastille on Jan 15, 2019 23:55:09 GMT
For the love of God, this thread is about the weirdness of Michael Jackson.
FYI he was Jehovah's witnesses.
Which:the lack of celebrations coupled with his asshole of a father could be the cause of his Peter Pan syndrome.
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Post by clusium on Jan 16, 2019 4:03:05 GMT
For the love of God, this thread is about the weirdness of Michael Jackson. FYI he was Jehovah's witnesses. Which:the lack of celebrations coupled with his asshole of a father could be the cause of his Peter Pan syndrome. He was raised Jehovah's Witness, but, I read that in the last few years of his life, he converted to Nation of Islam.
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Post by clusium on Feb 9, 2019 1:08:46 GMT
I'd be curious to hear McCauley Culkin's response to that article. He testified at Jackson's trial as a character witness. It doesn't mean he couldn't have lied to manipulate the kid, but both Culkin and Feldman have said Jackson was never inappropriate. I really hope the stuff in that article is a lie but we'll never know I guess  It contradicts what Culkin said in court. According to the article,he abused Culkin as well. It says Jackson was crazy about his lips. I don't know more about this than you do. But then there is Culkin's testimony and that he didn't fit Jackson's type. I think Jackson went after boys who could never outpower him. Culkin, OTOH, had a voice and abusing him would have been too risky, Feldman has zero credibility as far as I am concerned. clusium |
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Post by northernlad on Feb 10, 2019 22:31:05 GMT
That link took me to Datalounge….so I'll take anything I read there with a grain of salt.
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