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Post by geode on Feb 13, 2019 7:47:19 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. It sometimes does supply helpful direction to people in this way. However it also can fail spectacularly. The abuse of children and youth by leaders of various sects is often in the news. Perhaps the most toxic thing about religion is when it can actually be fatal. There is currently a lot of discussion in Mormon circles about the teen suicide rate being higher in Utah than in other states. Many think the LDS teachings about gender, and opposition to what they term "same sex marriage" is driving up the suicide rate of LGBT youth. And then there is the practice of JW shunning. Suicides due to JW shunning - link |
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Post by phludowin on Feb 13, 2019 9:03:35 GMT
My opinion: Religion not only exists as a guide for people on how to live their lives; it also exists as a mean to keep a society together.
Especially when it's a religion with strong convictions, a feeling that they are the only true religion, and with that, a strong "us vs. them" mentality.
These are not only found in intolerant religions like fundamentalist Islam or medieval Christianity, but also in political ideologies like Stalinism.
When an individual leaves such a group, a fanatic supporter of that group is likely to see this as a direct attack on the religion/system. And therefore, the apostate becomes an enemy.
Sad, but I believe that this mindset exists.
And I don't know if there's a remedy.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2019 11:22:55 GMT
If your religion is not providing good in your life, it is silly to stick with it.
It would also be silly to listen to someone trying to convince you that religion is bad for you if that isn't the case.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 13, 2019 14:06:30 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2019 14:59:20 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. |
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Post by geode on Feb 13, 2019 15:39:23 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. This may be the primary concern of some religious sects, but not all of them. In my opinion Christian sects that properly.follow the teachings of Christ see this more as a balance where God loves mankind and finds happiness in its success and people find success and fulfillment in loving God. |
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Post by geode on Feb 13, 2019 15:40:01 GMT
That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. I agree. |
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Post by general313 on Feb 13, 2019 15:42:11 GMT
That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. Maybe not, but it does make them poorer. |
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 13, 2019 15:48:10 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. It sometimes does supply helpful direction to people in this way. However it also can fail spectacularly. The abuse of children and youth by leaders of various sects is often in the news. Perhaps the most toxic thing about religion is when it can actually be fatal. There is currently a lot of discussion in Mormon circles about the teen suicide rate being higher in Utah than in other states. Many think the LDS teachings about gender, and opposition to what they term "same sex marriage" is driving up the suicide rate of LGBT youth. And then there is the practice of JW shunning. Suicides due to JW shunning - linkPeople should learn to live their lives WITHOUT being dependent on religious indoctrination. And people give up religious should not be hypocritical in consistently calling out specific religious they don't like, while avoiding the condemnation of their former religion. Either give it up, or don't. There is no inbetween position with respect to religion; you either are or you aren't. And if you aren't, then you shouldn't be advocating to other people who are what it should be doing. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 15:52:02 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. Should it? Why? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2019 15:53:07 GMT
That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. Surely that depends on what it is that makes god happy. |
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Post by Isapop on Feb 13, 2019 17:37:41 GMT
That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy. Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. I didn't imply that it does. But religion is not concerned about what will make people happy. And, I note that you don't dispute what I said. As for what you say, making God happy CAN make people unhappy, depending on the requirement of that religion. I'm sure you can think of examples. I can.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2019 17:46:54 GMT
Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. Maybe not, but it does make them poorer. How so? My church is free of charge. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 13, 2019 18:10:03 GMT
religion is just like heroin.
only with heroin you can eventually cure the addictive qualities.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2019 18:33:49 GMT
Making God happy doesn’t make people unhappy. I didn't imply that it does. But religion is not concerned about what will make people happy. And, I note that you don't dispute what I said. As for what you say, making God happy CAN make people unhappy, depending on the requirement of that religion. I'm sure you can think of examples. I can.
Religion is concerned about what makes people happy. That doesn’t mean it should conform to individual versions of happiness. Religion is not for all people but it’s goal is to provide happiness to people who choose to be a part of it. |
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Post by general313 on Feb 13, 2019 18:46:56 GMT
Maybe not, but it does make them poorer. How so? My church is free of charge. Don't they pass the collection plate around to the congregation in your church? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Feb 13, 2019 18:53:05 GMT
How so? My church is free of charge. Don't they pass the collection plate around to the congregation in your church? of course they have contributions but they aren’t mandatory. Bills gotta be paid. Services have to be provided, and kind hearts abound in church settings. No ones homeless or starving on the basis of charity |
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Post by Vegas on Feb 13, 2019 19:05:17 GMT
Religion should help people live their lives more effectively, and to be more happy. That runs counter to its primary occupation - telling people how they NEED to live their lives so to make GOD happy.  Dude... Even The 10 Commandments spend only the first 4 on God.. (3, if you take out resting on the Sabbath.. which is still kinda good for us).. the rest is about how we should treat each other well by not killing, coveting, lying and treating our parents like shit.... 3 1/2 - God 6 1/2 - Us You NEED to take that stuck out of your ass.... It will make you more happy  |
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Post by general313 on Feb 13, 2019 19:44:52 GMT
Don't they pass the collection plate around to the congregation in your church? of course they have contributions but they aren’t mandatory. Bills gotta be paid. Services have to be provided, and kind hearts abound in church settings. No ones homeless or starving on the basis of charity It is expected though of regular members. I didn't say people were losing their homes making God happy, I just said "poorer". |
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Post by thefleetsin on Feb 13, 2019 19:56:21 GMT
the meddle east
i
recently applied
for
the international copyright
to:
the meddle east.
a phrase/title that includes
an
elongated history
of
other peoples declarations of human rights
being
lauded over
vast
desert regions
typically known for
subservient practices
but in relatively recent history
seen as
resource allocation gold mines.
and
then there's this
whole
wholesale divine
angle
that is sure to excite the kids
they decide to sacrifice
in order to
postpone the viagra
they'll eventually be in need of
after realizing
you can't maintain an erection
from
just human sacrificing
for forever
and ever amen.
sjw 02/11/19 inspired at this very moment in time as the portal squeals inside the sorcerer's wheels.
from the 'barbarian series' of poems
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