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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 16:44:27 GMT
I am not saying that CM mastering her flight in one go isn't lazy writing. I'm saying comparing it to Rey matching Kylo in lightsaber combat is silly. One is obviously way harder than the other. When all you have to compete with is yourself, it's easy to look good. When needing to compete another, that's different. Besides, I don't recall CM doing any crazy maneuvers during her flight. She rotated a few times here and there but it's not like she was in a dog fight against multiple fast fliers doing crazy barrel rolls and sharp turns and stuff. . Her flying in the movie seemed pretty basic to me. So your "BMX doing crazy stunts" comparison is inaccurate. If I remember correctly, she pretty much just flew straight forward, blasting things out of her way. She evaded a few shots but still got hit here and there. Complaining about her flying prowess would be like complaining how Vision immediately knew how to phase or how Captain America knew how to throw his shield. The comparison is valid. Both premises are the hero suddenly masterong a previously unlearned skillset to take on a formidable enemy, and said skillset playing a big factor in defeating them. I see no difference in the Rey/Carol scenario. Carol isnt by herself, shes using her flight to expertly kill enemys in midair, that shouldnt be easy. Carol fights the Kree with no mistep, no misflight no struggle. Just like Rey.
I think you believe that flying in combat is easy. Now obviously flying isnt real, but in the context of superhero movies as weve seen before in iron man with his icing problems and superman with failing to maintain first flight, it isnt easy, your going to run into problems. But its easy to pick up straight away for Carol because shes a strong independent woman who needs no training? Now that I think about it more, the whole thing is even more ridicolous. The montage that preceedes that flight moment is her falling to the ground and getting back up from various sporting activies, showcasing a strong will of determination to never give up if at first she fails. So whats the real message to little girls here if she attempts to fly and does it perfectly from the get go? Weve just seen several flashbacks of her falling and failing, but here she just powers up and flys like no problem at all? It just contradicts the whole message of the montage thats supposed to inspire little girls. Thats a different topic anyway, but that small part of her powers is mary sue-ish like Rey, even though overall Carol isnt a Mary Sue.
Sorry dude, but you're way off base here. The main difference between Rey and Carol's scenario is this: We have seen what other people need to do in order to become skilled with the lightsaber in the Star Wars universe. We know how difficult it is to become good with it. We know that even the best fighters in Star Wars had to train hard with it. We know that Kylo Ren is considered pretty good. So it's completely ridiculous to see Rey matching Kylo with zero training. Same goes for her force powers. So Rey is a Mary Sue because she is completely inconsistent with the rest of her universe. In comparison, Carol's powers were granted by the Tesseract which is an Infinity Stone. We know of 3 other MCU characters who's powers were granted via Infinity Stone: Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Vision. All of these characters were immediately able to utilize their powers without any training, so I don't know why you keep singling out Carol. I don't hear you complaining about why Vision had no problems flying his first time or how Wanda was able to make illusions or how Quicksilver didn't end up running into walls. You also can't compare Carol's flying with IM's flying, as IM uses a complex system of thrusters and boosters located in different parts of his armor to control his flight. He needs to balance a lot more different factors. As I said, the closest flying comparison to Carol would be Vision and I don't hear you complaining about him. Carol also didn't defeat the Kree armada by outflying them. She flew at them in a straight line and defeated them by blasting them apart. So you can't say that she competed against them in flying. That's like saying if I ran at Usain Bolt and punched him in the face that I defeated him in a foot race.
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Post by charzhino on Mar 19, 2019 16:55:43 GMT
We have seen what other people need to do in order to become skilled with the lightsaber in the Star Wars universe. We know how difficult it is to become good with it. We know that even the best fighters in Star Wars had to train hard with it. We know that Kylo Ren is considered pretty good. So it's completely ridiculous to see Rey matching Kylo with zero training. Same goes for her force powers. So Rey is a Mary Sue because she is completely inconsistent with the rest of her universe. Okay, it is much harder to defeat a sith with no training. I agree there is a big difference in skill requirements. Scarlet witch and quicksilver are presented to us as people who have control of their abilities. In the end credit scene of winter soldier, we see the twins in their cells ''exploring'' their powers in a curious way. Wanda is making cubes float, something very basic so we can assume she is learning, just like a small child would be using lego. Quicksilver is bouncing off the walls in a erratic way, another indication he is learning the limits of his speed. Both are up against gravity which is the same everywhere on earth. She flew straight into space without a breathing mask and not aware how her flying would be affected in 0 g environment. This is even worse, akin to jumping into a swimming pool without knowing to swim.
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 19, 2019 17:20:02 GMT
We have seen what other people need to do in order to become skilled with the lightsaber in the Star Wars universe. We know how difficult it is to become good with it. We know that even the best fighters in Star Wars had to train hard with it. We know that Kylo Ren is considered pretty good. So it's completely ridiculous to see Rey matching Kylo with zero training. Same goes for her force powers. So Rey is a Mary Sue because she is completely inconsistent with the rest of her universe. Okay, it is much harder to defeat a sith with no training. I agree there is a big difference in skill requirements. Scarlet witch and quicksilver are presented to us as people who have control of their abilities. In the end credit scene of winter soldier, we see the twins in their cells ''exploring'' their powers in a curious way. Wanda is making cubes float, something very basic so we can assume she is learning, just like a small child would be using lego. Quicksilver is bouncing off the walls in a erratic way, another indication he is learning the limits of his speed. Both are up against gravity which is the same everywhere on earth. She flew straight into space without a breathing mask and not aware how her flying would be affected in 0 g environment. This is even worse, akin to jumping into a swimming pool without knowing to swim. Before I go further, I just want to clarify: Are we in agreement that Rey matching Kylo in a saber battle is more preposterous than Carol mastering her flight? Because I have no problems saying that Carol controlling her flight that fast is kinda silly. My only gripe was that I feel it is nowhere near as silly as an untrained Rey matching a sith. If you agree with me on this then I have no disagreement with you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 17:35:08 GMT
So... Basically we can all agree that Rey is a horrible character and the new Star Wars movies are terrible?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 17:58:29 GMT
So... Basically we can all agree that Rey is a horrible character and TFA was terrible? Fixed. Innit?
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Mar 19, 2019 18:50:49 GMT
Rey's awesome! Deal with it.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Mar 19, 2019 19:21:47 GMT
Is Rey the MCU’s Squirrel Girl?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 19:32:36 GMT
So... Basically we can all agree that Rey is a horrible character and TFA was terrible? Fixed. Innit? Nah. It innit!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2019 19:33:25 GMT
Rey's awesome! Deal with it. Awesomer than Carol Dancers?!
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 21:51:37 GMT
Rey's awesome! Deal with it. Awesomer than Carol Dancers?! Maybe, if you're ashamed of brunettes. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 19, 2019 21:52:44 GMT
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 27, 2019 17:19:18 GMT
Now that I really think about it. Carol doesn’t really have any character flaw. They say she lets her emotional but never really show it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Mar 27, 2019 19:03:55 GMT
Rey's awesome! Deal with it. Why thank you.
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