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Post by goz on Apr 4, 2019 22:26:26 GMT
It will be crystal clear your in hell, no room for even the slightest doubt. trust me, you will know. because everyone is judged by God after death here on earth and after that one of three things happens to you... 1)Heaven 2)Purgatory (if you end up in this state your guaranteed Heaven eventually, so you will ultimately win ; basically this purges sin from your soul, it purifies it(which is painful), to get it ready for Heaven. basically Purgatory is God's mercy in action.) 3)Hell (if you end up here, ALL is lost for eternity. nothing but hate/misery remains within your entire being. basically all traces of good cease to exist for you because here on earth, even someone who's bound for hell can still experience some good things but once you pass from this life into the next, if your not on God's side (basically if your will is fixed in evil) all good ceases to exist for you. NOTE: some people wonder how one can be here forever but keep in mind those here reject God as they hate Him and don't want to be with Him. they hate EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in hell, even if they had kids in their earthly life they hate them to. or another way to put hell... the pain there far exceeds any possible pain one can experience here on earth and it's forever.) given what we know from the Catholic church... in my opinion, the vast majority of people will not immediately enter Heaven upon earthly death simply because we are not pure enough to immediately enter Heaven which is where Purgatory comes into play to purge us of our attachment to sin before eventually reaching Heaven. but a lot of Christian denominations think you immediately go to Heaven upon earthly death which is simply not true. @nedkelly While we might not be able to say Hitler is in hell with absolute certainty it's still a pretty safe bet he's in hell as killing THAT many people one has to have completely rejected God at that point. even if by some very slim chance Hitler repented before passing from this life into the next, he's going to be in purgatory for a VERY long time for that level of sin. so at the end of the day... I feel very confident in saying Hitler is in hell as people like him almost surely have to be as killing THAT many people is evil personified. It never ceases to amaze me that there are people that are this ^ ^ 'simple'.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 4, 2019 23:07:11 GMT
Fear is the most effective tool for controlling people.
As for Hitler, he didn't do what he did by himself. He had lots of support and help. If he had been ignored, he would've passed into obscurity.
I shudder to think what some people I know would do with that much power.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 4, 2019 23:13:11 GMT
Meeting the devil on your first day would be like taking a tour bus through Washington and being introduced to the President. No, unless you're somebody important, like a son of perdition, you're just handed off to some low rank demons. So I would get handed off to middle management? Lame.
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2019 0:52:46 GMT
I am wondering how people are going to know that they are in Hell after they die, when their brain is dead.
As the seat of all consciousness when you die this function ceases. Furthermore the function of memory of your life which rests in the main parts of the brain involved with memory ( the amygdala, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the prefrontal cortex) are also now dead and non-functional. They can no longer interact and neither lay down memories nor retrieve them.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 5, 2019 1:46:45 GMT
I am wondering how people are going to know that they are in Hell after they die, when their brain is dead. As the seat of all consciousness when you die this function ceases. Furthermore the function of memory of your life which rests in the main parts of the brain involved with memory ( the amygdala, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the prefrontal cortex) are also now dead and non-functional. They can no longer interact and neither lay down memories nor retrieve them. What a twit.
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2019 3:41:58 GMT
I am wondering how people are going to know that they are in Hell after they die, when their brain is dead. As the seat of all consciousness when you die this function ceases. Furthermore the function of memory of your life which rests in the main parts of the brain involved with memory ( the amygdala, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the prefrontal cortex) are also now dead and non-functional. They can no longer interact and neither lay down memories nor retrieve them. What a twit. You have been given every opportunity to answer the question of where your consciousness and memory are seated after death and you have failed n every occasion because it is a fact that it dies with the brain and body. There is no evidence that is can possibly live on without the brain as its functioning host.
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Post by Vegas on Apr 5, 2019 13:31:51 GMT
You'd probably be like: - "How did I get here in a Justin Bieber concert?..... How long is this gonna last?.... Seems like I've been here for three days already... I know he's sang this song twice already..."
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 5, 2019 16:24:49 GMT
What a twit. You have been given every opportunity to answer the question of where your consciousness and memory are seated after death and you have failed n every occasion because it is a fact that it dies with the brain and body. There is no evidence that is can possibly live on without the brain as its functioning host. You don't know any more than your esteemed scientists know. You are just as limited as they are in knowing what happens to a person's consciousness/awareness after the brain and body ceases to function.
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2019 20:50:35 GMT
You have been given every opportunity to answer the question of where your consciousness and memory are seated after death and you have failed n every occasion because it is a fact that it dies with the brain and body. There is no evidence that is can possibly live on without the brain as its functioning host. You don't know any more than your esteemed scientists know. You are just as limited as they are in knowing what happens to a person's consciousness/awareness after the brain and body ceases to function. … and you are an anti-intellectual anti-science (which is always ironic as you daily use the benefits of scientific research and development) anti any form of logical discussion, arrogant stupid buffoon. They are esteemed scientists because they....are NOT those things. They have studied and worked hard to achieve their knowledge and expertise and you are a huge hypocrite to say these things when you type on a computer and use a cell phone and all the millions of other things brought to you by these scientists who know all about technology, medicine and the multiple branches of science that you rely on daily. ...except suddenly they know nothing about the human brain and consciousness, though they manage to save people with brain injury and disease every day with this knowledge that you dismiss, because you are so incredibly stupid and stubborn. Your heaven forbid, but you would change your tune pretty quickly if you or a friend or family suddenly had a brain tumour or a head injury in an accident, or were brain dead in a coma and you had to make up your mind whether to turn off their life support. Would they be no knowledge scientists and doctors , then?
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 5, 2019 21:12:56 GMT
You don't know any more than your esteemed scientists know. You are just as limited as they are in knowing what happens to a person's consciousness/awareness after the brain and body ceases to function. … and you are an anti-intellectual anti-science (which is always ironic as you daily use the benefits of scientific research and development) anti any form of logical discussion, arrogant stupid buffoon. They are esteemed scientists because they....are NOT those things. They have studied and worked hard to achieve their knowledge and expertise and you are a huge hypocrite to say these things when you type on a computer and use a cell phone and all the millions of other things brought to you by these scientists who know all about technology, medicine and the multiple branches of science that you rely on daily. ...except suddenly they know nothing about the human brain and consciousness, though they manage to save people with brain injury and disease every day with this knowledge that you dismiss, because you are so incredibly stupid and stubborn. Your heaven forbid, but you would change your tune pretty quickly if you or a friend or family suddenly had a brain tumour or a head injury in an accident, or were brain dead in a coma and you had to make up your mind whether to turn off their life support. Would they be no knowledge scientists and doctors , then? No, you and your quack scientists are the buffoons. All they can know is what their little tests and measurements tell them, which doesn't even scratch the surface. They are relegated to that and nothing more. Today's science is hardly advanced. Whatever doesn't fit their paradigm, they ignore or excuse. The studies you cite by no stretch include ALL studies or ALL evidence. Aside from that, they are relegated to publish studies that the government approves them to publish. They are in the pocket of the government and work for who pays their grant funding.
What little information is shared with the general public has to do only with, as you say, 'brain chemicals' and electrical impulses. Those in no way explain things like personality, awareness, consciousness, etc.
Why do you think there are still studies being conducted regarding those things?
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2019 21:19:16 GMT
… and you are an anti-intellectual anti-science (which is always ironic as you daily use the benefits of scientific research and development) anti any form of logical discussion, arrogant stupid buffoon. They are esteemed scientists because they....are NOT those things. They have studied and worked hard to achieve their knowledge and expertise and you are a huge hypocrite to say these things when you type on a computer and use a cell phone and all the millions of other things brought to you by these scientists who know all about technology, medicine and the multiple branches of science that you rely on daily. ...except suddenly they know nothing about the human brain and consciousness, though they manage to save people with brain injury and disease every day with this knowledge that you dismiss, because you are so incredibly stupid and stubborn. Your heaven forbid, but you would change your tune pretty quickly if you or a friend or family suddenly had a brain tumour or a head injury in an accident, or were brain dead in a coma and you had to make up your mind whether to turn off their life support. Would they be no knowledge scientists and doctors , then? No, you and your quack scientists are the buffoons. All they can know is what their little tests and measurements tell them, which doesn't even scratch the surface. They are relegated to that and nothing more. Today's science is hardly advanced. Whatever doesn't fit their paradigm, they ignore or excuse. The studies you cite by no stretch include ALL studies or ALL evidence. Aside from that, they are relegated to publish studies that the government approves them to publish. They are in the pocket of the government and work for who pays their grant funding.
What little information is shared with the general public has to do only with, as you say, 'brain chemicals' and electrical impulses. Those in no way explain things like personality, awareness, consciousness, etc. Why do you think there are still studies being conducted regarding those things?
How can you even say this crapola? The sciencitsts are using their knowledge and expertise EVERY day to help people who are sick and injured. Of course there is always more to learn. You are just plain ridiculous. You are THE most ignorant person on this board TSFAR
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 5, 2019 21:22:40 GMT
No, you and your quack scientists are the buffoons. All they can know is what their little tests and measurements tell them, which doesn't even scratch the surface. They are relegated to that and nothing more. Today's science is hardly advanced. Whatever doesn't fit their paradigm, they ignore or excuse. The studies you cite by no stretch include ALL studies or ALL evidence. Aside from that, they are relegated to publish studies that the government approves them to publish. They are in the pocket of the government and work for who pays their grant funding.
What little information is shared with the general public has to do only with, as you say, 'brain chemicals' and electrical impulses. Those in no way explain things like personality, awareness, consciousness, etc. Why do you think there are still studies being conducted regarding those things?
How can you even say this crapola? The sciencitsts are using their knowledge and expertise EVERY day to help people who are sick and injured. Of course there is always more to learn. You are just plain ridiculous. You are THE most ignorant person on this board TSFAR Now you are changing the topic from consciousness/awareness to illnesses. I never said they aren't pursuing conditions and illnesses of the brain. That's an entirely different subject.
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Post by goz on Apr 5, 2019 21:36:45 GMT
How can you even say this crapola? The sciencitsts are using their knowledge and expertise EVERY day to help people who are sick and injured. Of course there is always more to learn. You are just plain ridiculous. You are THE most ignorant person on this board TSFAR Now you are changing the topic from consciousness/awareness to illnesses. I never said they aren't pursuing conditions and illnesses of the brain. That's an entirely different subject. No. It is not. To treat illness one requires a knowledge of the functions of the brain which includes consciousness/awareness ( anaesthesia anyone?)
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 5, 2019 21:41:35 GMT
Now you are changing the topic from consciousness/awareness to illnesses. I never said they aren't pursuing conditions and illnesses of the brain. That's an entirely different subject. No. It is not. To treat illness one requires a knowledge of the functions of the brain which includes consciousness/awareness ( anaesthesia anyone?) Putting someone under anesthesia has nothing to do with consciousness/awareness.
If you were correct (which you are not) when someone blacks out from fainting, drinking, or whatever, you could say they are dead because they're unconscious. They are not dead.
Regardless, too many studies have been done regarding people who experienced being outside of their body during a surgery or NDE, or OBE. In an OBE, no brain death was involved so there was no reason for the brain to release chemicals to make the person 'feel better' about dying.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 5, 2019 22:53:43 GMT
do you think it is explained to you that you are in Hell and what for or do you think you just find yourself suddenly being tortured for all of eternity? Do you think you meet the Devil first? Perhaps another demon? But I guess what would the purpose of the Devil be if you don't meet him. I'm pretty sure we know the reasons we end up in Hell, just, as we know why we get sent to jail for. I'm not so sure Christians should be confident of that. Christ said in Matthew 7,
So it seems he's saying many will think they are Christians because of their wondrous works, but he'll say he never knew them, depart from me.
I realize, of course, that every Christian believes it's obviously someone else who's going to get that sort of treatment, never them. But from an outsiders perspective, somebody has to fit that description or Jesus was just funnin'.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 5, 2019 22:57:11 GMT
I am wondering how people are going to know that they are in Hell after they die, when their brain is dead. As the seat of all consciousness when you die this function ceases. Furthermore the function of memory of your life which rests in the main parts of the brain involved with memory ( the amygdala, the hippocampus, the cerebellum, and the prefrontal cortex) are also now dead and non-functional. They can no longer interact and neither lay down memories nor retrieve them. Like I always say, if I've got a soul and it's gonna suffer for eternity because of what I'm doing/not doing, then it better speak up quick...I'm not getting any younger. As you say, my brain will be dead, the feelings and sensations I experience now are going to be gone. I think I'll be gone too. But if IF there is some eternal soul hiding somewhere in there, it better wake up quick or it'll be in for a bad time in deed.
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Post by clusium on Apr 6, 2019 1:14:07 GMT
I'm pretty sure we know the reasons we end up in Hell, just, as we know why we get sent to jail for. I'm not so sure Christians should be confident of that. Christ said in Matthew 7,
So it seems he's saying many will think they are Christians because of their wondrous works, but he'll say he never knew them, depart from me.
I realize, of course, that every Christian believes it's obviously someone else who's going to get that sort of treatment, never them. But from an outsiders perspective, somebody has to fit that description or Jesus was just funnin'.
That, my dear, is actually one of the way in which Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is done: By presumption in one's own personal salvation.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 6, 2019 1:36:05 GMT
I'm not so sure Christians should be confident of that. Christ said in Matthew 7,
So it seems he's saying many will think they are Christians because of their wondrous works, but he'll say he never knew them, depart from me.
I realize, of course, that every Christian believes it's obviously someone else who's going to get that sort of treatment, never them. But from an outsiders perspective, somebody has to fit that description or Jesus was just funnin'.
That, my dear, is actually one of the way in which Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is done: By presumption in one's own personal salvation. If one doesn't presume one's own salvation, how does one know he's saved or not? And if you don't know whether you are saved or not, how will you know why you ended up in hell...or heaven for that matter?
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Post by goz on Apr 6, 2019 3:22:04 GMT
No. It is not. To treat illness one requires a knowledge of the functions of the brain which includes consciousness/awareness ( anaesthesia anyone?) Putting someone under anesthesia has nothing to do with consciousness/awareness.
If you were correct (which you are not) when someone blacks out from fainting, drinking, or whatever, you could say they are dead because they're unconscious. They are not dead. Regardless, too many studies have been done regarding people who experienced being outside of their body during a surgery or NDE, or OBE. In an OBE, no brain death was involved so there was no reason for the brain to release chemicals to make the person 'feel better' about dying. TSFAP
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Post by clusium on Apr 6, 2019 3:23:56 GMT
That, my dear, is actually one of the way in which Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is done: By presumption in one's own personal salvation. If one doesn't presume one's own salvation, how does one know he's saved or not? And if you don't know whether you are saved or not, how will you know why you ended up in hell...or heaven for that matter? One just has to keep on praying, and try to live up to the Lord's Commandments & Teachings as best as possible.
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