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Post by goz on Apr 6, 2019 5:32:34 GMT
If one doesn't presume one's own salvation, how does one know he's saved or not? And if you don't know whether you are saved or not, how will you know why you ended up in hell...or heaven for that matter? One just has to keep on praying, and try to live up to the Lord's Commandments & Teachings as best as possible. Praying is the greatest waste of time ever invented by theists. You would be better off out there living your life to help other people and yourself in a practical way. Self reflection to make you a better person is OK, butt nebulous praying for useless shit? I could have cooked a meal and delivered it to a friend down the road whose son committed suicide in that time!
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Post by clusium on Apr 6, 2019 14:18:02 GMT
One just has to keep on praying, and try to live up to the Lord's Commandments & Teachings as best as possible. Praying is the greatest waste of time ever invented by theists. You would be better off out there living your life to help other people and yourself in a practical way. Self reflection to make you a better person is OK, butt nebulous praying for useless shit? I could have cooked a meal and delivered it to a friend down the road whose son committed suicide in that time! Going by that argument, then so is meditating. You've said so yourself that you are also Buddhist, as well as atheist, so I'm going out on a limb & presuming that you meditate, don't you? And yes, Christians do go out & help people live life in a practical way. That is why so many charities in this world had been started by Christians. My condolences for your neighbour's son, BTW.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 6, 2019 14:50:27 GMT
If one doesn't presume one's own salvation, how does one know he's saved or not? And if you don't know whether you are saved or not, how will you know why you ended up in hell...or heaven for that matter? One just has to keep on praying, and try to live up to the Lord's Commandments & Teachings as best as possible. Well, yes, of course. And I'm not quick to put down someone's efforts to follow what they see as the "light." Actually, I think lots of folk...in fact I think most folk, walk in what they believe is light...believe it or not, even the atheist. The atheist just doesn't believe there is a god. We don't think the doctrinal stuff Christians and folk of other religions espouse is actually "light," i.e. we don't think it's true. Or, for my part, more precisely I don't know which of the many options that seem available are true...in fact none of them may be true and I could be doing myself greater damage, eternity wise, by glooming on to something I don't think is true rather than just following what I understand to be the "light," that is, that there probably isn't a god. Maybe dealing with the world as we perceive it is what God, if there is a god, want's most of all, so I'm better off than the Christian who tries to believe against their better judgement or contrary to what they see as the evidence if indeed someone is doing that.
EG I have to consider that if Islam is true, would I be doing myself a service trying to convince myself Christianity or Judaism is true? Or if Hinduism is true, am I doing myself any favors by trying to adhere to Islam or Christianity? Will God give us an E for effort. Don't you believe there are many serious followers of virtually all religions who think they are praying and following their god's commandments and teachings...the Muslim, the Hindu, the Buddhist and even the different denominations of Christianity?
Those who Jesus referred to (who he identified as saying "Lord Lord") would seem to represent a group of folk who think they are doing exactly what you say you're doing....and he claims some of them might be turned away because despite their best efforts, IOW he is saying they aren't really doing his work. So it gets us back to your initial statement that if one ends up in hell, they'll know exactly why. It seems that's not the case.
I realize many believe there will be some sort of judgment scene where each person will "stand," however that works, before God and be judged. I guess that is when Christ, or the people who scripted Christ, pictured him saying "Depart from me, I never knew you." So, THEN, maybe we can imagine a scenario where Jesus/God lays out exactly what the person did that was wrong. So in that case, yes, they'd end up in hell and know why they were there. But at the same time, it seems to me that BEFORE judgment...if judgment happens...the person isn't going to know how it's going to turn out if they, like you, are just praying and trying "to live up to the Lord's commandments and teachings." And even afterwards, if they'd truly been trying to walk in the light, they're likely to wonder (if the torment they're experiencing in hell allows them to wonder) when/where/how they could've done things differently if they had it to do all over again.
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 6, 2019 16:00:21 GMT
Putting someone under anesthesia has nothing to do with consciousness/awareness.
If you were correct (which you are not) when someone blacks out from fainting, drinking, or whatever, you could say they are dead because they're unconscious. They are not dead. Regardless, too many studies have been done regarding people who experienced being outside of their body during a surgery or NDE, or OBE. In an OBE, no brain death was involved so there was no reason for the brain to release chemicals to make the person 'feel better' about dying. TSFAP What you and your scientists have closed the books on is absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by goz on Apr 6, 2019 20:48:15 GMT
Praying is the greatest waste of time ever invented by theists. You would be better off out there living your life to help other people and yourself in a practical way. Self reflection to make you a better person is OK, butt nebulous praying for useless shit? I could have cooked a meal and delivered it to a friend down the road whose son committed suicide in that time! Going by that argument, then so is meditating. You've said so yourself that you are also Buddhist, as well as atheist, so I'm going out on a limb & presuming that you meditate, don't you? And yes, Christians do go out & help people live life in a practical way. That is why so many charities in this world had been started by Christians. My condolences for your neighbour's son, BTW. I am not Buddhist. WHAT about an agnostic atheist don't you understand? Thanks, it is the saddest story and has rocked our whole community. A beautiful young man of just turned 15 buys drugs from the local pusher to try them for the first time as a result of peer group pressure, goes psychotic, steals his father's legal gun and goes to the top of a cliff and the next thing he is dead at the bottom. He sent weird text messages to his parents whist they had called the police helicopter etc to try to find him. The details are hushed up to spare his parents further agony however it will all come out in the Coroner's report.
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Post by clusium on Apr 6, 2019 22:09:55 GMT
Going by that argument, then so is meditating. You've said so yourself that you are also Buddhist, as well as atheist, so I'm going out on a limb & presuming that you meditate, don't you? And yes, Christians do go out & help people live life in a practical way. That is why so many charities in this world had been started by Christians. My condolences for your neighbour's son, BTW. I am not Buddhist. WHAT about an agnostic atheist don't you understand? Thanks, it is the saddest story and has rocked our whole community. A beautiful young man of just turned 15 buys drugs from the local pusher to try them for the first time as a result of peer group pressure, goes psychotic, steals his father's legal gun and goes to the top of a cliff and the next thing he is dead at the bottom. He sent weird text messages to his parents whist they had called the police helicopter etc to try to find him. The details are hushed up to spare his parents further agony however it will all come out in the Coroner's report. You've said so yourself that you were Buddhist, or into Buddhism, before. That's absolutely horrible!!!! Hope that drug pusher gets charged!!!!! I've had cousins who died from drug overdoses, myself (though it happened way back when I was a little girl).
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Post by heeeeey on Apr 7, 2019 0:02:00 GMT
One just has to keep on praying, and try to live up to the Lord's Commandments & Teachings as best as possible. Praying is the greatest waste of time ever invented by theists. You would be better off out there living your life to help other people and yourself in a practical way. Self reflection to make you a better person is OK, butt nebulous praying for useless shit? I could have cooked a meal and delivered it to a friend down the road whose son committed suicide in that time! Maybe you'll be a saint someday. Damned near the entire human population since the beginning of time has prayed, pompous twit.
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Post by goz on Apr 7, 2019 2:24:51 GMT
I am not Buddhist. WHAT about an agnostic atheist don't you understand? Thanks, it is the saddest story and has rocked our whole community. A beautiful young man of just turned 15 buys drugs from the local pusher to try them for the first time as a result of peer group pressure, goes psychotic, steals his father's legal gun and goes to the top of a cliff and the next thing he is dead at the bottom. He sent weird text messages to his parents whist they had called the police helicopter etc to try to find him. The details are hushed up to spare his parents further agony however it will all come out in the Coroner's report. You've said so yourself that you were Buddhist, or into Buddhism, before. That's absolutely horrible!!!! Hope that drug pusher gets charged!!!!! I've had cousins who died from drug overdoses, myself (though it happened way back when I was a little girl). I am interested in the 'philosophy' of Buddhism and not the religious aspects. I like the way one takes responsibility for one's thoughts and deeds from within your own consciousness with no outside influence required.
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Post by maya55555 on Apr 7, 2019 3:05:58 GMT
shannondegroot
So you want a welcoming committee in hell?
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