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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 2, 2019 20:34:09 GMT
Exactly! The Director basically wants the audience to think that the smartest trainee in the past 17 years was suddenly so stupid that he thought the Colonel would toss a real grenade at his own trainees not in the middle of a battlefield but in the middle of an army training camp. That's just bad and inconsistent writing. The flag thing established that he's smart. The grenade thing established that he's even braver than he is smart. Like I said before, the grenade scene didn't work at all since the grenade scene was inconsistent with the flagpole scene on Steve Rogers' intelligence. It was just bad and inconsistent writing.
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Post by poutinep on Apr 2, 2019 20:38:07 GMT
The flag thing established that he's smart. The grenade thing established that he's even braver than he is smart. Like I said before, the grenade scene didn't work at all since the grenade scene was inconsistent with the flagpole scene on Steve Rogers' intelligence. It was just bad and inconsistent writing. As others said, instinct comes before critical thinking. It's completely consistent. You're just a lonely troll that gets his jollies by hating on movies on the internet. Sad.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 2, 2019 20:39:14 GMT
That depends on how smart you think Rogers is. Not you specifically, just anybody. He is kind of just a kid from Brooklyn. He probably had some formal education in high school but nothing beyond that. Nothing ivy league or even secondary. There's smart (having a bunch of college degrees, being able to recite quotes from Shakespearean literature, etc.) and then there's street-smart, which doesn't require a bunch of college degrees. The flagpole scene indicated that Rogers was street-smart, being the first trainee in 17 years to be able to get the flag simply by lowering the flagpole. Then just a few minutes later, the grenade scene contradicted that by showing that Rogers is as dumb as Gilligan on Gilligan's Island, thinking that the Colonel would toss a real grenade at his own trainees, not in the middle of a battlefield but in the middle of an army training camp. he could have ended his life right there and then diving on that grenade. Does that sound to you like an overly smart man? What if it really was live? He knew it wasn't live so he knew he was never in any danger. That's why he dived on the grenade, to make himself look more heroic in front of Peggy Carter.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 2, 2019 20:45:29 GMT
The flag thing established that he's smart. The grenade thing established that he's even braver than he is smart. Like I said before, the grenade scene didn't work at all since the grenade scene was inconsistent with the flagpole scene on Steve Rogers' intelligence. It was just bad and inconsistent writing.
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Post by poutinep on Apr 2, 2019 20:54:08 GMT
he could have ended his life right there and then diving on that grenade. Does that sound to you like an overly smart man? What if it really was live? He knew it wasn't live so he knew he was never in any danger. That's why he dived on the grenade, to make himself look more heroic in front of Peggy Carter. Sorry cupcake, your demented speculation simply is not canon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 20:58:17 GMT
That depends on how smart you think Rogers is. Not you specifically, just anybody. He is kind of just a kid from Brooklyn. He probably had some formal education in high school but nothing beyond that. Nothing ivy league or even secondary. There's smart (having a bunch of college degrees, being able to recite quotes from Shakespearean literature, etc.) and then there's street-smart, which doesn't require a bunch of college degrees. The flagpole scene indicated that Rogers was street-smart, being the first trainee in 17 years to be able to get the flag simply by lowering the flagpole. Then just a few minutes later, the grenade scene contradicted that by showing that Rogers is as dumb as Gilligan on Gilligan's Island, thinking that the Colonel would toss a real grenade at his own trainees, not in the middle of a battlefield but in the middle of an army training camp. he could have ended his life right there and then diving on that grenade. Does that sound to you like an overly smart man? What if it really was live? He knew it wasn't live so he knew he was never in any danger. That's why he dived on the grenade, to make himself look more heroic in front of Peggy Carter. Well no one expects their colonel to throw a live grenade. Remember when the spy in the lab opened fire on everyone and stole the serum? I'll bet no one expected that either, given the top secrecy of the room and who they let in. Nonetheless, it happened. The fact that it's unexpected doesn't change the fact that you gotta do something about it.
"He knew it wasn't live so he knew he was never in any danger. That's why he dived on the grenade, to make himself look more heroic in front of Peggy Carter."
When you put it that way, you make him sound like a pimp. Dive on a fake grenade everybody thinks is real to impress a lady? That's like 5 movies ahead in the pickup artist game.
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Post by damngumby on Apr 2, 2019 22:00:40 GMT
After all this, DC-Fan still doesn't get it? Remember, DC-Fan is not a troll. This is authentic stupidity ... at it's most extreme.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 2, 2019 22:16:51 GMT
After all this, DC-Fan still doesn't get it? Remember, DC-Fan is not a troll. This is authentic stupidity ... at it's most extreme. At this point, I think it's severe dementia.
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Post by scabab on Apr 2, 2019 22:29:00 GMT
That'll do for this thread, it's just going around in circles, DC Fan is just repeating himself like a parrot and others are just insulting him for it.
Besides it has nothing to do with the elevator scene anyway.
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