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Post by sostie on Mar 31, 2019 23:44:29 GMT
There was no quota limit to the number of Captains in WW2. There was a limit. That's why there were only a few thousand Captains and not 16 million Captains. Because there are only a limited number of Captain positions. Actually there are currenty just under 28,000 captains in the US Army, out of a total of just over million Army personnel (including National Guard & Reserves) Considering that over 2 million US Army personnel served in Europe ALONE in WWII I think it's safe to say there were more than "only a few thousand".
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 3:19:04 GMT
There was a limit. That's why there were only a few thousand Captains and not 16 million Captains. Because there are only a limited number of Captain positions. Actually there are currenty just under 28,000 captains in the US Army, out of a total of just over million Army personnel (including National Guard & Reserves) Considering that over 2 million US Army personnel served in Europe ALONE in WWII I think it's safe to say there were more than "only a few thousand". And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 1, 2019 4:15:11 GMT
Actually there are currenty just under 28,000 captains in the US Army, out of a total of just over million Army personnel (including National Guard & Reserves) Considering that over 2 million US Army personnel served in Europe ALONE in WWII I think it's safe to say there were more than "only a few thousand". And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain. I still don't know what you're complaining about. How Steve Rogers stole the rank of captain by taking 'super PEDs' (apparently, it's called that, not super soldier serum)? Are you just picking a fight just because or are you brain dead or just trolling?
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Post by poutinep on Apr 1, 2019 4:31:42 GMT
And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain. Are you just picking a fight just because or are you brain dead or just trolling? D) All of the above.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 4:38:35 GMT
And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain. How Steve Rogers stole the rank of captain by taking 'super PEDs' (apparently, it's called that, not super soldier serum)? If Steve Rogers hadn't taken the super-PED, then he wouldn't have gotten into the army and wouldn't have been given the Captain position. So Rogers was given the Captain position because he took the super-PED. Thus he effectively used the super-PED to steal the job from another more experienced and more qualified officer. It's no different than how Tom Brady and the Patriots stole wins from other teams by cheating. If they hadn't cheated, they wouldn't have won. So they effectively stole the wins from other teams by cheating. PED stands for Performance Enhancing Drug and encompasses any number of dugs that enhance physical performance, such as steroids. The super soldier serum is a drug that enhances physical strength and stamina so it qualifies as a Performance Enhancing Drug or PED. And since it enhances physical strength and stamina to such a high level, it's basically a super-PED.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 1, 2019 4:45:35 GMT
How Steve Rogers stole the rank of captain by taking 'super PEDs' (apparently, it's called that, not super soldier serum)? If Steve Rogers hadn't taken the super-PED, then he wouldn't have gotten into the army and wouldn't have been given the Captain position. So Rogers was given the Captain position because he took the super-PED. Thus he effectively used the super-PED to steal the job from another more experienced and more qualified officer. It's no different than how Tom Brady and the Patriots stole wins from other teams by cheating. If they hadn't cheated, they wouldn't have won. So they effectively stole the wins from other teams by cheating. PED stands for Performance Enhancing Drug and encompasses any number of dugs that enhance physical performance, such as steroids. The super soldier serum is a drug that enhances physical strength and stamina so it qualifies as a Performance Enhancing Drug or PED. And since it enhances physical strength and stamina to such a high level, it's basically a super-PED. But he was already in the army at the time he was going through his procedure. Did you miss all the training he was doing? He was already in the military base.
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Post by poutinep on Apr 1, 2019 4:53:04 GMT
If Steve Rogers hadn't taken the super-PED, then he wouldn't have gotten into the army and wouldn't have been given the Captain position. So Rogers was given the Captain position because he took the super-PED. Thus he effectively used the super-PED to steal the job from another more experienced and more qualified officer. But he was already in the army at the time he was going through his procedure. Did you miss all the training he was doing? He was already in the military base. LOL what a buffoon. He thinks Steve took the 'super-PED' before joining the army? That's a pathetic mistake even by his standards.
sure looks like he's in the army and hasn't taken the serum yet making you....wrong again.
maaan you said Steve knew it was a dud and only wanted to look heroic...why didn't any of the others know it was a dud and want to look heroic?
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Post by sostie on Apr 1, 2019 12:31:34 GMT
Actually there are currenty just under 28,000 captains in the US Army, out of a total of just over million Army personnel (including National Guard & Reserves) Considering that over 2 million US Army personnel served in Europe ALONE in WWII I think it's safe to say there were more than "only a few thousand". And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain. It shows you have zero grasp of facts when you state there were only a few thousand captain roles. Also there is to an extent an infinite amount of Captain roles or at least unlimited. Every group of men is led by a captain....what if say a group of 200 are split or part are taken for a mission or new team...they need a captain. There is not a pool of Captains that are given a rank and then wait for a job. "Captain America" is a codename....a pseudonym. The name given to the figurehead he was being used as. He was not an actual "Captain" when he went to Europe. He was called "Captain America" to uphold a level of anonymity. After his rescue of the prisoners and his subsequent missions with the Howling Commandos he is later seen in a uniform with the Captain insignia. By that time he was leading an elite troop because he was an elite soldier. A Captain can have a group of men attached to him that is either very small or up to a few hundred. He did not take any job away from another Captain because that role would not have existed for anyone else. The team was led by him and formed purely because of his special abilities. No Captain America, no Howling Commandos missions...simple. He was given the job, and in turn the rank, of leading a team fronted by a Super Soldier because he was the ONLY Super Soldier. What other Captain could have done that? The other very important fact you seem to forget...this is a fantastical comic book story for fucks sake. You'll happily argue this sort of shit for ages but won't address things like, for instance, the Sahara being an Ocean at the time of the Roman Empire in Aquaman.
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Post by ctown28 on Apr 1, 2019 13:43:13 GMT
But he was already in the army at the time he was going through his procedure. Did you miss all the training he was doing? He was already in the military base.
maaan you said Steve knew it was a dud and only wanted to look heroic...why didn't any of the others know it was a dud and want to look heroic?
I think I figured it out. Steve knew it was a dud because he was in cahoots with the CO. Mam, why does Marvel always make the armed forces look so corrupt! Watching that scene proves he knew about it and did it to 8 impress Pegg6 Carter so he could get into he panties. now do be surprised if DC fan takes this as a plausible scenario and not the nonsense it is
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 19:57:22 GMT
And none of what you said changes the fact that there aren't an unlimited or infinite number of Captain positions in the army. There are only a limited number of Captain positions in the army and when Steve Rogers used the super-PED to get 1 of those limited Captain positions, he effectively stole the job from a more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, to put himself next in line for a promotion to Captain. "Captain America" is a codename....a pseudonym. The name given to the figurehead he was being used as. He was not an actual "Captain" when he went to Europe. No, Steve Rogers was already handed the rank of Captain before he served on any missions in the army. We know that for a fact because when Rogers disobeyed orders and left to go rescue Bucky and was missing for several days, the Colonel had a letter typed to the Senator and the Colonel said "I regret to inform you that Captain Steve Rogers is missing and presumed dead..." It was an official letter to a Senator so the Captain would only refer to Steve Rogers as Captain if that was his actual rank. So Steve Rogers was already given the rank of Captain before he served on any actual missions in the army. That means he was given the rank of Captain for doing nothing but taking a super-PED and dancing on-stage with cheerleaders for Stan Lee. Rogers was unqualified to be a Captain and further proved that he was unqualified by disobeying orders and failing to see the bigger picture, which is required of high-level officers. Like I said, Rogers used the super-PED to steal the job from more experienced and more qualified officers who had worked their butts off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without any help from a super-PED, to put themselves next in line for a promotion to Captain.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 20:03:08 GMT
maaan you said Steve knew it was a dud and only wanted to look heroic...why didn't any of the others know it was a dud and want to look heroic?
I think I figured it out. Steve knew it was a dud because he was in cahoots with the CO. Rogers knew the grenade was a dud because he saw the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. He knew 1) the enemy wouldn't attack a training base and 2) the Colonel wouldn't toss a live grenade at his own trainees. Rogers was observant enough to see that the flag could be taken off flagpole without climbing up the flagpole. So it's reasonable to conclude that Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. The other trainees weren't observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered and they weren't observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 1, 2019 20:04:24 GMT
"Captain America" is a codename....a pseudonym. The name given to the figurehead he was being used as. He was not an actual "Captain" when he went to Europe. No, Steve Rogers was already handed the rank of Captain before he served on any missions in the army. We know that for a fact because when Rogers disobeyed orders and left to go rescue Bucky and was missing for several days, the Colonel had a letter typed to the Senator and the Colonel said "I regret to inform you that Captain Steve Rogers is missing and presumed dead..." It was an official letter to a Senator so the Captain would only refer to Steve Rogers as Captain if that was his actual rank. So Steve Rogers was already given the rank of Captain before he served on any actual missions in the army. That means he was given the rank of Captain for doing nothing but taking a super-PED and dancing on-stage with cheerleaders for Stan Lee. Rogers was unqualified to be a Captain and further proved that he was unqualified by disobeying orders and failing to see the bigger picture, which is required of high-level officers. Like I said, Rogers used the super-PED to steal the job from more experienced and more qualified officers who had worked their butts off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without any help from a super-PED, to put themselves next in line for a promotion to Captain. Holy fuck! You're still going on about this?!
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 20:07:21 GMT
No, Steve Rogers was already handed the rank of Captain before he served on any missions in the army. We know that for a fact because when Rogers disobeyed orders and left to go rescue Bucky and was missing for several days, the Colonel had a letter typed to the Senator and the Colonel said "I regret to inform you that Captain Steve Rogers is missing and presumed dead..." It was an official letter to a Senator so the Captain would only refer to Steve Rogers as Captain if that was his actual rank. So Steve Rogers was already given the rank of Captain before he served on any actual missions in the army. That means he was given the rank of Captain for doing nothing but taking a super-PED and dancing on-stage with cheerleaders for Stan Lee. Rogers was unqualified to be a Captain and further proved that he was unqualified by disobeying orders and failing to see the bigger picture, which is required of high-level officers. Like I said, Rogers used the super-PED to steal the job from more experienced and more qualified officers who had worked their butts off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without any help from a super-PED, to put themselves next in line for a promotion to Captain. Holy fuck! You're still going on about this?! sostie replied to me with a post that was incorrect and wrong. So I'm just correcting sostie and posting the actual facts.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Apr 1, 2019 20:09:30 GMT
I think I figured it out. Steve knew it was a dud because he was in cahoots with the CO. Rogers knew the grenade was a dud because he saw the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. He knew 1) the enemy wouldn't attack a training base and 2) the Colonel wouldn't toss a live grenade at his own trainees. Rogers was observant enough to see that the flag could be taken off flagpole without climbing up the flagpole. So it's reasonable to conclude that Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. The other trainees weren't observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered and they weren't observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. None of the trainees were paying attention to the Colonel throwing the dummy grenade. They were too busy getting into shape.
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Post by Power Ranger on Apr 1, 2019 20:12:30 GMT
I think I figured it out. Steve knew it was a dud because he was in cahoots with the CO. Rogers knew the grenade was a dud because he saw the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. He knew 1) the enemy wouldn't attack a training base and 2) the Colonel wouldn't toss a live grenade at his own trainees. Rogers was observant enough to see that the flag could be taken off flagpole without climbing up the flagpole. So it's reasonable to conclude that Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. The other trainees weren't observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered and they weren't observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. Rogers was just trying to impress Peggy Carter.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 20:13:32 GMT
Rogers knew the grenade was a dud because he saw the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. He knew 1) the enemy wouldn't attack a training base and 2) the Colonel wouldn't toss a live grenade at his own trainees. Rogers was observant enough to see that the flag could be taken off flagpole without climbing up the flagpole. So it's reasonable to conclude that Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. The other trainees weren't observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered and they weren't observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. None of the trainees were paying attention to the Colonel throwing the dummy grenade. They were too busy getting into shape. That's what I said in my previous post. The other trainees didn't see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it so they didn't know the grenade was a dud. Steve Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it (just like he was observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered) so he knew the grenade was a dud.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 20:14:17 GMT
Rogers knew the grenade was a dud because he saw the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. He knew 1) the enemy wouldn't attack a training base and 2) the Colonel wouldn't toss a live grenade at his own trainees. Rogers was observant enough to see that the flag could be taken off flagpole without climbing up the flagpole. So it's reasonable to conclude that Rogers was observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. The other trainees weren't observant enough to see that the flagpole could be lowered and they weren't observant enough to see the Colonel take the grenade from the back of his truck and toss it. Rogers was just trying to impress Peggy Carter. Yep, Rogers knew the grenade was a dud so he jumped on it to try to impress Peggy Carter.
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Post by sostie on Apr 1, 2019 20:17:56 GMT
"Captain America" is a codename....a pseudonym. The name given to the figurehead he was being used as. He was not an actual "Captain" when he went to Europe.No, Steve Rogers was already handed the rank of Captain before he served on any missions in the army. We know that for a fact because when Rogers disobeyed orders and left to go rescue Bucky and was missing for several days, the Colonel had a letter typed to the Senator and the Colonel said "I regret to inform you that Captain Steve Rogers is missing and presumed dead..." It was an official letter to a Senator so the Captain would only refer to Steve Rogers as Captain if that was his actual rank. So Steve Rogers was already given the rank of Captain before he served on any actual missions in the army. Where did that happen. When he was stationed in Europe. And whether he was a rank of Captain before or after he saw action it doesn't matter. When he saw action and was doing the job of a ranking officer, it did not mean he took a job away from an existing Captain. He was Captaining a group specifically supporting him as a "Super Soldier". Which other Captain was waiting in the wings for that job....a job that would not exist without Steve Rogers. Not sure what your endgame is here other than concreting your standing as a massive twat.
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Post by DC-Fan on Apr 1, 2019 20:28:22 GMT
whether he was a rank of Captain before or after he saw action it doesn't matter. It matters because he was handed the rank of Captain before he even served on any missions in the army. SO he literally did nothing to earn the rank of Captain and was handed the rank of Captain for doing nothing but taking a super-PED and dancing on stage with cheerleaders for Stan Lee. it did not mean he took a job away from an existing Captain. He stole the promotion away from another officer who was next in line for a promotion to Captain (after working their butts off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED). He was Captaining a group specifically supporting him as a "Super Soldier". Wrong again. There was no group supporting him. He disobeyed orders and ran off on his own to rescue Bucky. Which further demonstrated that he was unqualified and unfit to be a Captain. Which other Captain was waiting in the wings for that job Another more experienced and more qualified officer who had worked his butt off for many years serving Uncle Sam and America, without help from any super-PED, was next in line for a promotion to Captain and had been waiting for that promotion, which Steve Rogers used the super-PED to steal from that officer.
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Post by charzhino on Apr 1, 2019 20:38:13 GMT
To be fair here, having watched the scene in question again there is a good chance that Rogers knew the grenade was a fake. Firstly, he hitched a ride back after he got the flag down (displaying keen observational skills), and its possible there may have been dummy grenades in the back were he sat so he would have known about them. A stretch maybe. Secondly, during the actual scene, the grenade box that the Colonel pulls the frag from is clearly labelled "training grenades". They are in the back of an open truck close by in full dispay. Given Rogers keen observation skills and the fact he knew they were testing the soldiers all day, and the very unlikely event that the Colonel would throw a live grenade, you cant rule out Rogers knowing its fake.
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