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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 15:22:03 GMT
Interesting write up here regarding the historic Endgame vs Avatar box office runs. www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/03/why-avengers-endgame-will-never-really-be-bigger-than-avatar/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c9e31eb2ccc5I was aware that there wasn't as many movie theaters in China back when Avatar came out. But I wasn't aware at just how much expansion they've done there. excerpt from the article... Back then, the country as a whole had just under 5,000 screens. Wanna guess how many it has now? . There are now an estimated 60,000 movie screens in China. (The United States has 41,000.) This makes for an astonishing figure — for “Avatar.” That movie managed to take in more than a third as much as “Endgame” in China, despite theater capacity that wasn’t even a 10th of what it is now.
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Post by scabab on Jun 4, 2019 23:26:09 GMT
I knew that China had really blown in recent years but not to that extent. Back in 2007 Transformers was the biggest movie and it made $37 million.
So far in 2019 over 20 movies have made that much already.
Anyway as for Endgame it's 39th day is below Infinity Wars 46th day. Looks to finish around $836 million right now.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 5, 2019 0:52:09 GMT
Endgame made under a million on its 39th day, Infinity War did not do under 1 million until its 46th day
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 5, 2019 12:09:30 GMT
Endgame made under a million on its 39th day, Infinity War did not do under 1 million until its 46th day It's official, Endgame is a flop.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 6, 2019 19:58:49 GMT
Endgame made under a million on its 39th day, Infinity War did not do under 1 million until its 46th day It's official, Endgame is a flop. Yeah whoever first suggested that Endgame could beat Avatar really fucked up. Because now if/when it doesn’t we will be flooded with comments about how much of a failure it is for not passing the biggest film of all time lol.
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Post by dazz on Jun 6, 2019 20:12:47 GMT
According to Box Office Mojo it's at $2,719,604,438, that means just $35m more before it breaks Avatars single release record, never get why no one considers re-releases when factoring this stuff, based on single releases Titanic drops down to the No.5 spot, both IW & TFA outdoing it.
Breaking the single release record should be doable, the overall box office record maybe not, depends on how much more it drops off, if it stabilises it could be in wwith a shot if it gets a bump when Far From Home comes out, still insane how much money this movie made.
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Post by scabab on Jun 7, 2019 2:15:09 GMT
$2,720,504,783 now. Looks like the overseas figure was updated as of Wednesday. So it's made $3.4 million overseas from Monday to Wednesday.
It's making about $2 million a day worldwide then. Dark Phoenix is about to come out and that's direct competition for it.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 7, 2019 12:52:44 GMT
According to Box Office Mojo it's at $2,719,604,438, that means just $35m more before it breaks Avatars single release record, never get why no one considers re-releases when factoring this stuff, based on single releases Titanic drops down to the No.5 spot, both IW & TFA outdoing it. Breaking the single release record should be doable, the overall box office record maybe not, depends on how much more it drops off, if it stabilises it could be in wwith a shot if it gets a bump when Far From Home comes out, still insane how much money this movie made. As jakesully pointed out earlier, you also have to consider how many fewer screen Avatar had in its day. Of course that could be evened out by the Avatar opening in December and not facing real competition for four months. To me, Avatar is the ultimate example of hype over substance. It wasn't about the movie itself, it was about the movie being billed as this unique visual experience. The movie itself was garbage, but I guess that wasn't the point of seeing it. I skipped it in theaters, only caught it on cable. What's fascinating to me is the shift in movie culture to numbers. It's always been there in sports, though it's exaggerated these days due to advanced metrics. But film? As a culture we've become so obsessed with box office revenue that you'd think we got a financial kickback as fans. And don't even get me going on Rotten Tomatoes scores. I can't believe how many truly great films from decades past are rated rotten on that site, and somehow it's taken as gospel. The rating system makes no sense whatsoever. Ten critics could say it's a 'decent, though not great' flick in their actual review which is technically rating it 'fresh.' 10/10 fresh ratings is 100%. "Wow, that film has a 100% rating, it must be great!" Nobody said that, but that's what the numbers tell you. And I'm not even taking into account agendas that are easily inserted either in favor of or against the film. Then there are social trends to consider. It disturbs me as a film fan that Rotten Tomatoes is perceived to hold as much sway as it does. Every time a film is released, somebody starts a thread pointing to its RT score as if that means anything, as if that should help you decide whether to see it. And it works, because I see replies like, "47%, damn I was hoping it would be good." That's it? You're not going to decide for yourself? It's nuts. But I digress... The box office argument is so convoluted I don't know why people bother. To make another sports comparison, it's like trying to compare athletes from completely different eras. There's no sensible way to do it. They excelled within the environment that existed in their time, just like films did gangbusters at the box office for any number of cultural/societal reasons. I suppose it's harmless to marvel at the incredible numbers (I have several posts in this thread, can't pretend I'm oblivious to it), but too often it gets turned into a pissing contest among fans to try to prove which film was 'better' or 'more popular.' "Movie X made more money, but movie Y sold more tickets." All I care about is whether I enjoyed the film; and if I did, that it makes enough to warrant a sequel if the story calls for it. In the end, the only thing Endgame can hang its hat on is being the first film to make $1B worldwide in its opening weekend (which is a hell of an accomplishment), because I promise you it will be done again. Probably by Avatar 2. Doesn't change my opinion that Endgame is the superior film, they're all just numbers.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 7, 2019 13:22:24 GMT
According to Box Office Mojo it's at $2,719,604,438, that means just $35m more before it breaks Avatars single release record, never get why no one considers re-releases when factoring this stuff, based on single releases Titanic drops down to the No.5 spot, both IW & TFA outdoing it. Breaking the single release record should be doable, the overall box office record maybe not, depends on how much more it drops off, if it stabilises it could be in wwith a shot if it gets a bump when Far From Home comes out, still insane how much money this movie made. As jakesully pointed out earlier, you also have to consider how many fewer screen Avatar had in its day. Of course that could be evened out by the Avatar opening in December and not facing real competition for four months. To me, Avatar is the ultimate example of hype over substance. It wasn't about the movie itself, it was about the movie being billed as this unique visual experience. The movie itself was garbage, but I guess that wasn't the point of seeing it. I skipped it in theaters, only caught it on cable. What's fascinating to me is the shift in movie culture to numbers. It's always been there in sports, though it's exaggerated these days due to advanced metrics. But film? As a culture we've become so obsessed with box office revenue that you'd think we got a financial kickback as fans. And don't even get me going on Rotten Tomatoes scores. I can't believe how many truly great films from decades past are rated rotten on that site, and somehow it's taken as gospel. The rating system makes no sense whatsoever. Ten critics could say it's a 'decent, though not great' flick in their actual review which is technically rating it 'fresh.' 10/10 fresh ratings is 100%. "Wow, that film has a 100% rating, it must be great!" Nobody said that, but that's what the numbers tell you. And I'm not even taking into account agendas that are easily inserted either in favor of or against the film. Then there are social trends to consider. It disturbs me as a film fan that Rotten Tomatoes is perceived to hold as much sway as it does. Every time a film is released, somebody starts a thread pointing to its RT score as if that means anything, as if that should help you decide whether to see it. And it works, because I see replies like, "47%, damn I was hoping it would be good." That's it? You're not going to decide for yourself? It's nuts. But I digress... The box office argument is so convoluted I don't know why people bother. To make another sports comparison, it's like trying to compare athletes from completely different eras. There's no sensible way to do it. They excelled within the environment that existed in their time, just like films did gangbusters at the box office for any number of cultural/societal reasons. I suppose it's harmless to marvel at the incredible numbers (I have several posts in this thread, can't pretend I'm oblivious to it), but too often it gets turned into a pissing contest among fans to try to prove which film was 'better' or 'more popular.' "Movie X made more money, but movie Y sold more tickets." All I care about is whether I enjoyed the film; and if I did, that it makes enough to warrant a sequel if the story calls for it. In the end, the only thing Endgame can hang its hat on is being the first film to make $1B worldwide in its opening weekend (which is a hell of an accomplishment), because I promise you it will be done again. Probably by Avatar 2. Doesn't change my opinion that Endgame is the superior film, they're all just numbers. All of it is a futile attempt to put objective metric on a subjective subject. Other art forms don't have stats that's readily available for the masses. Take Paintings you could go for auction or sale prices and critical reviews, but there isn't a lot of critics reviews available to the public for paintings. Or at least they aren't aggregated. I follow both like it's fantasy football. Just a way to add another level in discussing or tracking movies. The only time I would ever use them as proof of something is if you are arguing popularity of a movie or critical praise of a movie. Other than that it's all pretty useless other than as a curiosity.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 8, 2019 0:38:33 GMT
According to Box Office Mojo it's at $2,719,604,438, that means just $35m more before it breaks Avatars single release record, never get why no one considers re-releases when factoring this stuff, based on single releases Titanic drops down to the No.5 spot, both IW & TFA outdoing it. Breaking the single release record should be doable, the overall box office record maybe not, depends on how much more it drops off, if it stabilises it could be in wwith a shot if it gets a bump when Far From Home comes out, still insane how much money this movie made. Yeah I mentioned that as well. It’s pretty close to Avatar’s original theatrical run. Some kind of re-release might put it past Avatar’s re-release. But then they will probably re-release Avatar before Avatar 2 so Avatar will be on top again.
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Post by dazz on Jun 8, 2019 1:07:35 GMT
According to Box Office Mojo it's at $2,719,604,438, that means just $35m more before it breaks Avatars single release record, never get why no one considers re-releases when factoring this stuff, based on single releases Titanic drops down to the No.5 spot, both IW & TFA outdoing it. Breaking the single release record should be doable, the overall box office record maybe not, depends on how much more it drops off, if it stabilises it could be in wwith a shot if it gets a bump when Far From Home comes out, still insane how much money this movie made. Yeah I mentioned that as well. It’s pretty close to Avatar’s original theatrical run. Some kind of re-release might put it past Avatar’s re-release. But then they will probably re-release Avatar before Avatar 2 so Avatar will be on top again. I don't know if they would, Avatar 2's big hook is going to be the legacy of Avatar 1, because no one discusses that film really except for the box office monster it was or the visual spectacle it was for the time, no one really talks about the characters or the plot just everything else, so with the state of movie releases as they are now I doubt there is going to be a good time to really re-release the film between now and Avatar 2's release, and even if Avengers does break the record and they do a re-release of Avatar and it gets the money it needs to reclaim the top spot if it gets re-released but doesn't do significant numbers it's a bad look going into Avatar 2, also makes Avatar 2 less special as hey we just got an Avatar release xx amount of weeks/months ago.
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 8, 2019 15:05:10 GMT
Yeah I mentioned that as well. It’s pretty close to Avatar’s original theatrical run. Some kind of re-release might put it past Avatar’s re-release. But then they will probably re-release Avatar before Avatar 2 so Avatar will be on top again. I don't know if they would, Avatar 2's big hook is going to be the legacy of Avatar 1, because no one discusses that film really except for the box office monster it was or the visual spectacle it was for the time, no one really talks about the characters or the plot just everything else, so with the state of movie releases as they are now I doubt there is going to be a good time to really re-release the film between now and Avatar 2's release, and even if Avengers does break the record and they do a re-release of Avatar and it gets the money it needs to reclaim the top spot if it gets re-released but doesn't do significant numbers it's a bad look going into Avatar 2, also makes Avatar 2 less special as hey we just got an Avatar release xx amount of weeks/months ago.
I don’t know I definitely think it’s going to happen: www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/11/james-cameron-titanic-20th-anniversary-avatar-terminator-fox-studios-sale“...and in fact, we’re also going to do a conversion of Avatar to HDR. We’ll re-release that at some point down the line...”
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Post by scabab on Jun 9, 2019 15:35:04 GMT
Now at $2.730 billion worldwide. Made another $17 million over the last week.
I said last week that if it were to have 41% drops it still wouldn't pass Avatar but it's dropped 53% so yeah I can't see how it could do it now because it still needs another $59 million.
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Post by hi224 on Jun 9, 2019 16:16:09 GMT
Nice.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 9, 2019 16:51:13 GMT
Total Lifetime Grosses Domestic: $824,365,940 30.2% + Foreign: $1,906,200,000 69.8%
= Worldwide: $2,730,565,940
Domestic Summary Opening Weekend: $357,115,007 (#1 rank, 4,662 theaters, $76,601 average)
% of Total Gross: 43.3%
> View All 7 Weekends Widest Release: 4,662 theaters In Release: 45 days / 6.4 weeks
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Post by darkpast on Jun 9, 2019 17:29:33 GMT
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Jun 9, 2019 19:03:16 GMT
Welp.. it was a fun ride while it lasted. Second biggest film of all time.. for now. Quite the achievement. I wonder who is next.
Avatar 2 seems like the only likely contender as of now. Maybe Star Wars Episode IX. Unless of course Bill and Ted 3 pulls an upset. It could happen.
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Post by scabab on Jun 9, 2019 19:44:48 GMT
At this rate it doesn't look like it's going to do it so unless they find some way of giving it a bump then Avatar will stay on top.
Which Disney should probably go with because then they can promote Avatar 2 as the sequel to the biggest movie of all time.
But yeah Avatar 2 is the only movie that could even be suggested as beating it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2019 1:22:01 GMT
At this rate it doesn't look like it's going to do it so unless they find some way of giving it a bump then Avatar will stay on top. Which Disney should probably go with because then they can promote Avatar 2 as the sequel to the biggest movie of all time. But yeah Avatar 2 is the only movie that could even be suggested as beating it. Yep. And in the end, Disney takes no losses here as they own the rights to the Avatar franchise. Like you mentioned, it's probably for the best that Avatar holds the top spot (at this point) so Disney can market Avatar 2 as "the sequel to the biggest movie of all time". Great marketing ploy.
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Post by darkpast on Jun 12, 2019 3:35:24 GMT
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