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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 21:00:55 GMT
Interpret it anyway you like... I already did, as I've explained "atheism" in itself isn't a "worldview". Now going from religious to atheist did admittingly change my world view (materialist, naturalist, skeptic, etc) if that's what you're getting at. Again, your lack of belief is not proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. Most of you atheist like to pride yourselves on reason, proof and evidence. Got any? A mere lack of belief is not proof or evidence of anything.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 7, 2019 21:03:40 GMT
I already did, as I've explained "atheism" in itself isn't a "worldview". Now going from religious to atheist did admittingly change my world view (materialist, naturalist, skeptic, etc) if that's what you're getting at. Again, your lack of belief is not proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. Most of you atheist like to pride yourselves on reason, proof and evidence. Got any? A mere lack of belief is not proof or evidence of anything. "Again, your lack of belief is not proof, nor evidence that God doesn’t exist." I've already addressed this at least three times, I'm not gonna repeat myself. "Most of you atheist like to pride yourselves on reason, proof and evidence." Generalizations, generalizations, generalizations....
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 21:08:15 GMT
Yep. I think the USA is a complete myth and I’m not buying it. Prove me wrong. Except that you don't really think this and are just playing games. You're basically an eight year old in an adult's body. I Do Not believe the USA exists.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 21:09:40 GMT
Atheism is the claim there is no God, right? Not very many atheists would describe this as their position. It is more that we think the probability of there being a god--any god, no matter what version a theist is offering--is so absurdly low that we just can't be bothered to believe. Many of us also think that no one in the history of religion has ever offered a concept of god that is even coherent, so that creates additional problems. None of this is proof nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. The truth is you atheists have no good reasons for your atheism.
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Post by goz on Apr 7, 2019 21:55:32 GMT
Not very many atheists would describe this as their position. It is more that we think the probability of there being a god--any god, no matter what version a theist is offering--is so absurdly low that we just can't be bothered to believe. Many of us also think that no one in the history of religion has ever offered a concept of god that is even coherent, so that creates additional problems. None of this is proof nor evidence that God doesn’t exist. The truth is you atheists have no good reasons for your atheism. Pick me! Pick me! Can I play? 1. Logically an absence of belief can NEVER be a belief. To propose that is it is absolutely absurd. 2. The truth is that theists have no good reasons for their theism. Further atheists don't need reasons for an absence of something. They just plain don't have it.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 22:03:25 GMT
One of the joys of being agnostic is that you can follow these squabbles with a smug grin plastered all over your face. Oh no you don’t get off that easy. Where is your proof, or evidence that the existence of God is unknowable? I don't "know" this god of yours but that does not mean you or anyone else cannot know him so please find another route because the one you are using has just hit a dead end.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 22:23:51 GMT
Oh no you don’t get off that easy. Where is your proof, or evidence that the existence of God is unknowable? I don't "know" this god of yours but that does not mean you or anyone else cannot know him so please find another route because the one you are using has just hit a dead end. Then you are not really an agnostic.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 22:34:16 GMT
I don't "know" this god of yours but that does not mean you or anyone else cannot know him so please find another route because the one you are using has just hit a dead end. Then you are not really an agnostic. So please tell me what I am.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 22:41:19 GMT
Actually perhaps the problem is that people like me don’t have an easy to apply label which, I suppose, makes us special.
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 22:45:22 GMT
Then you are not really an agnostic. So please tell me what I am. An imbecile.
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Post by goz on Apr 7, 2019 22:45:55 GMT
Actually perhaps the problem is that people like me don’t have an easy to apply label which, I suppose, makes us special. There is room for you in the Agnostic Atheists Guild, butt the subscription is a bit steep! It is expensive not knowing or believing anything!
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 22:50:48 GMT
So please tell me what I am. An imbecile. Please try again but this time avoid using childish insults because that sort of online behaviour will not work.
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Post by rizdek on Apr 7, 2019 22:53:27 GMT
Why are you an atheist? And what proof or evidence do you have that atheism is true, or that God doesn’t exist? I don't think there is a god. I don't worry if atheism is true...there might actually be a god, but I just don't think there is.
What kind of evidence could one have that something no one can see, or sense? If something doesn't actually exist, what evidence would there be that it doesn't exist?
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 7, 2019 22:54:34 GMT
Actually perhaps the problem is that people like me don’t have an easy to apply label which, I suppose, makes us special. There is room for you in the Agnostic Atheists Guild, butt the subscription is a bit steep! It is expensive not knowing or believing anything! Nah, I’m too old to start doing that kinda stuff. I’ll probably say one word outside the agnostic doctrine and then all hell will break loose (or won’t).
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Post by Cody™ on Apr 7, 2019 22:57:09 GMT
Why are you an atheist? And what proof or evidence do you have that atheism is true, or that God doesn’t exist? I don't think there is a god. I don't worry if atheism is true...there might actually be a god, but I just don't think there is.
What kind of evidence could one have that something no one can see, or sense? If something doesn't actually exist, what evidence would there be that it doesn't exist?
What are your reasons for becoming an atheist?
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Post by rizdek on Apr 7, 2019 23:03:25 GMT
I don't think there is a god. I don't worry if atheism is true...there might actually be a god, but I just don't think there is.
What kind of evidence could one have that something no one can see, or sense? If something doesn't actually exist, what evidence would there be that it doesn't exist?
What are your reasons for becoming an atheist? I stopped accepting the things that used to convince me there was a god. I look at it as if one should have reasons TO believe things, not to stop believing them. When the reasons disappeared, so did my god belief.
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Post by goz on Apr 7, 2019 23:04:31 GMT
There is room for you in the Agnostic Atheists Guild, butt the subscription is a bit steep! It is expensive not knowing or believing anything! Nah, I’m too old to start doing that kinda stuff. I’ll probably say one word outside the agnostic doctrine and then all hell will break loose (or won’t). Yes, I neglected to mention that the fines and penalties for NOT knowing and believing nothing are far worse than even the subscription fees. The agnostic atheists police are omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent. They are only recognisable because they wear diaphanous rainbow shirts with flowers in their hair and they stop to pat all animals 24/7, when not disguised as butterflies.
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Post by general313 on Apr 8, 2019 0:05:56 GMT
Why are you an atheist? And what proof or evidence do you have that atheism is true, or that God doesn’t exist? I expect you don't believe that Odin or Apollo exist. If that is so, why?
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Post by Catman on Apr 8, 2019 0:21:03 GMT
Why? Why not?
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 8, 2019 9:14:40 GMT
I don't believe in God for the same reason I don't believe in ghosts.
Lack of evidence.
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