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Post by Rodney Farber on Jun 6, 2019 11:20:14 GMT
When I was a young lad, my daddy told me that if I believed in Santa Clause and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future. OTOH, my Sunday School teacher told me that if I believed in Jesus Christ and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 6, 2019 11:31:32 GMT
No reward yet? That's what you get for not being a good lad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2019 17:32:31 GMT
When I was a young lad, my daddy told me that if I believed in Santa Clause and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future. OTOH, my Sunday School teacher told me that if I believed in Jesus Christ and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future.
Also there's precious little evidence that either one actually exists or existed. Both are claimed to use magic. Santa is a better dresser though, what with all that red and white fur. And he has magic reindeer, which is pretty cool. But in fairness jesus can probably do the hundred much quicker. Santa's not in great shape, unless the shape in question is spherical.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 6, 2019 21:54:53 GMT
I wish some fat white dude would come down the chimney and give me
presents.🙁
I would be ok if he just rang the doorbell
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Post by drystyx on Jun 7, 2019 2:16:09 GMT
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Post by Vegas on Jun 7, 2019 2:28:14 GMT
When I was a young lad, my daddy told me that if I believed in Santa Clause and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future. OTOH, my Sunday School teacher told me that if I believed in Jesus Christ and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future.
We went over this shit months ago.... Your dad knew he was lying to you. It's not the same thing. Move on. But, you can't... Can you?
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 7, 2019 2:35:59 GMT
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Post by MCDemuth on Jun 7, 2019 2:38:27 GMT
SANTA = SATAN
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2019 16:10:30 GMT
Santa vs Moses
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 7, 2019 21:44:18 GMT
When I was a young lad, my daddy told me that if I believed in Santa Clause and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future. OTOH, my Sunday School teacher told me that if I believed in Jesus Christ and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future.
We went over this shit months ago.... Oh yes, that was the thread in which you insisted that the non-existence of mythical beings could be absolutely, or universally, proved was it not? LOL
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Post by phludowin on Jun 7, 2019 22:03:16 GMT
When I was a young lad, my daddy told me that if I believed in Santa Clause and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future. OTOH, my Sunday School teacher told me that if I believed in Jesus Christ and I was a good lad, I would be rewarded in the future.
We went over this shit months ago.... Your dad knew he was lying to you. It's not the same thing. Move on. But, you can't... Can you? And how do you know that religious leaders aren't knowingly lying? A question you didn't answer months ago either.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 7, 2019 22:31:24 GMT
We went over this shit months ago.... Your dad knew he was lying to you. It's not the same thing. Move on. But, you can't... Can you? And how do you know that religious leaders aren't knowingly lying? A question you didn't answer months ago either. It's silly to assume anyone is lying simply on the basis of being religious unless proven otherwise. A person has a sucky life if they spend it assuming most of the planet is lying about their faith or beliefs...Or lack of them.
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Post by Vegas on Jun 8, 2019 1:11:30 GMT
And how do you know that religious leaders aren't knowingly lying?
A question you didn't answer months ago either. It';s silly to assume anyone is lying simpy on the basis of being religious unless proven otherwise. A person has a sucky life if they spend it assuming most of the planet is lying about their faith or beliefs...Or lack of them. I was just simply gonna write "Cause it's a stupid fucking question"... But: Pretty much ^This. 
Edit:And I don't have to assume that they're lying... It doesn't matter. They couldn't know that God doesn't exist anymore than they could know that He actually does. 2nd edit:That said: I assume that most "faith-healing" televangelists are really atheists.. as they know that they really aren't healing anyone.... Like I assume that most psychics know that they really aren't talking to the dead. 3rd edit:
But, yeah... To just think that all religious leaders are lying... just pretty much makes you an asshole..
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 8, 2019 1:52:13 GMT
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Post by phludowin on Jun 8, 2019 8:03:06 GMT
Vegas, CoolJGS☺When people propagate something as truth that is not true, there are two possibilities: They are liars, or fools. When you know that something is not true and tell it anyway as if it were true, you are a liar. When you don't know if something is true but believe it and tell it as if it were true, you are a fool. The liar knows the facts don't match the narrative; the fool doesn't bother to check if the facts match the narrative. Whether it's laziness or willful ignorance doesn't matter. However, not all religious preachers are liars or fools. If they admit that they don't know for sure if God exists, just believe it, and make their services for like-minded people; without trying to convince others that the deity of their choice exists, then they make their service for likeminded people, who likewise accept that there's no proof for said deity, and don't try to convince others. And in my opinion there's nothing wrong with it. But this is not what parents who drill their children into believing in Santa do. They want to manipulate their children's behaviour. "If you are not nice, Santa won't bring you any presents". And that's also what some fundie preachers do. "If you don't repent, you are going to hell". These types of people are liars. In my opinion people who try to say it's not the same, because you can't prove that God exist but can prove that Santa does not exist (their words, not mine), are to be taken as seriously as conspiracy theorists. In fact, maybe belief in conspiracy theories might be a better analogy to belief in God and wanting to believe it's true and trying to convince others, than belief to Santa. In my opinion, true believers in conspiracy theories are fools. They really believe their nonsense. People who tell their children that Santa exists are liars. They know that the Santa they tell their children about does not exist. Religious preachers who try to convert others can be both. Since I'm not a mind reader I can't know what their motivation is. I just know that I can take their claims as seriously as claims about Santa or whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 8, 2019 12:04:57 GMT
Vegas , CoolJGS☺ When people propagate something as truth that is not true, there are two possibilities: They are liars, or fools. When you know that something is not true and tell it anyway as if it were true, you are a liar. When you don't know if something is true but believe it and tell it as if it were true, you are a fool. The liar knows the facts don't match the narrative; the fool doesn't bother to check if the facts match the narrative. Whether it's laziness or willful ignorance doesn't matter. However, not all religious preachers are liars or fools. If they admit that they don't know for sure if God exists, just believe it, and make their services for like-minded people; without trying to convince others that the deity of their choice exists, then they make their service for likeminded people, who likewise accept that there's no proof for said deity, and don't try to convince others. And in my opinion there's nothing wrong with it. But this is not what parents who drill their children into believing in Santa do. They want to manipulate their children's behaviour. "If you are not nice, Santa won't bring you any presents". And that's also what some fundie preachers do. "If you don't repent, you are going to hell". These types of people are liars. In my opinion people who try to say it's not the same, because you can't prove that God exist but can prove that Santa does not exist (their words, not mine), are to be taken as seriously as conspiracy theorists. In fact, maybe belief in conspiracy theories might be a better analogy to belief in God and wanting to believe it's true and trying to convince others, than belief to Santa. In my opinion, true believers in conspiracy theories are fools. They really believe their nonsense. People who tell their children that Santa exists are liars. They know that the Santa they tell their children about does not exist. Religious preachers who try to convert others can be both. Since I'm not a mind reader I can't know what their motivation is. I just know that I can take their claims as seriously as claims about Santa or whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe. You're talking nonsense and then accuse others of the same. I can't think of a time anyone could write essays explaining to me why I should appreciate being called a liar or a fool simply on the basis of the person calling me either. I personally think someone is a fool who cannot even begin to comprehend the views of the majority of mankind without insulting them. Stick to the narrative created in this thread or create your own about the nuance of dishonesty that no one will pay attention to. I have no desire or interest in discussing with you the proof of God's non-existence since you have none. The argument was lying to your kid about Santa is the same as teaching your kid about belief which it is not and only a moron would think so. Are you a moron?
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Post by Vegas on Jun 8, 2019 12:13:53 GMT
Vegas , CoolJGS☺ When people propagate something as truth that is not true, there are two possibilities: They are liars, or fools. When you know that something is not true and tell it anyway as if it were true, you are a liar. When you don't know if something is true but believe it and tell it as if it were true, you are a fool. The liar knows the facts don't match the narrative; the fool doesn't bother to check if the facts match the narrative. Whether it's laziness or willful ignorance doesn't matter. However, not all religious preachers are liars or fools. If they admit that they don't know for sure if God exists, just believe it, and make their services for like-minded people; without trying to convince others that the deity of their choice exists, then they make their service for likeminded people, who likewise accept that there's no proof for said deity, and don't try to convince others. And in my opinion there's nothing wrong with it. But this is not what parents who drill their children into believing in Santa do. They want to manipulate their children's behaviour. "If you are not nice, Santa won't bring you any presents". And that's also what some fundie preachers do. "If you don't repent, you are going to hell". These types of people are liars. In my opinion people who try to say it's not the same, because you can't prove that God exist but can prove that Santa does not exist (their words, not mine), are to be taken as seriously as conspiracy theorists. In fact, maybe belief in conspiracy theories might be a better analogy to belief in God and wanting to believe it's true and trying to convince others, than belief to Santa. In my opinion, true believers in conspiracy theories are fools. They really believe their nonsense. People who tell their children that Santa exists are liars. They know that the Santa they tell their children about does not exist. Religious preachers who try to convert others can be both. Since I'm not a mind reader I can't know what their motivation is. I just know that I can take their claims as seriously as claims about Santa or whatever conspiracy theory you want to believe. You're talking nonsense and then accuse others of the same. I can't think of a time anyone could write essays explaining to me why I should appreciate being called a liar or a fool simply on the basis of the person calling me either. I personally think someone is a fool who cannot even begin to comprehend the views of the majority of mankind without insulting them. Stick to the narrative created in this thread or create your own about the nuance of dishonesty that no one will pay attention to. I have no desire or interest in discussing with you the proof of God's non-existence since you have none. The argument was lying to your kid about Santa is the same as teaching your kid about belief which it is not and only a moron would think so. Are you a moron? ^This... X 1,000.
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Post by phludowin on Jun 8, 2019 12:32:52 GMT
The argument was lying to your kid about Santa is the same as teaching your kid about belief which it is not and only a moron would think so. Actually, the argument was: Telling your kids about Santa in order to manipulate their behaviour is the same as telling your kids about God/Jesus in order to manipulate their behaviour. My argument was that the only real difference between these two cases is that in the case of Santa, parents don't really believe what they are saying, but in the case of God/Jesus, parents might believe themselves that they are telling the truth. Since you apparently failed to understand my argument, I consider it a possibility that you are. And for posters who agree with you times thousand, the probability might be a thousand times higher that they are.
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Post by faustus5 on Jun 8, 2019 13:25:15 GMT
And how do you know that religious leaders aren't knowingly lying? A question you didn't answer months ago either. We know for a fact that a surprising number of clergy in many Christian denominations are non-believers who are just going through the motions for whatever reasons (can't think of any other job to do, think they are doing a positive service anyway, are attached to the community, etc.).
ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/Preachers_who_are_not_believers.pdf
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Post by FilmFlaneur on Jun 8, 2019 15:35:01 GMT
And how do you know that religious leaders aren't knowingly lying? A question you didn't answer months ago either. We know for a fact that a surprising number of clergy in many Christian denominations are non-believers who are just going through the motions for whatever reasons (can't think of any other job to do, think they are doing a positive service anyway, are attached to the community, etc.).
ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/dennett/papers/Preachers_who_are_not_believers.pdf It is also a fact that religious mendacity, of various forms, has been manifest down through history.
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