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Post by darkpast on Jun 12, 2019 6:10:31 GMT
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 12, 2019 18:19:42 GMT
No. It was Fox.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 12, 2019 19:20:42 GMT
So basically Disney sabotaged Dark Phoenix because they didn't want Jean Grey stealing the thunder from Captain Marvel.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 12, 2019 19:39:00 GMT
So basically Disney sabotaged Dark Phoenix because they didn't want Jean Grey stealing the thunder from Captain Marvel. Nope, it was Fox and a terrible script and direction.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 12, 2019 21:44:56 GMT
So basically Disney sabotaged Dark Phoenix because they didn't want Jean Grey stealing the thunder from Captain Marvel. Nope, it was Fox and a terrible script and direction. I don’t think Kinberg’s direction is the problem. I believe the issue was the choppy editing, which seemed to be too concerned with having a short runtime and just rushed through scene after scene. It doesn’t give you the time to absorb anything.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 12, 2019 22:25:49 GMT
Nope, it was Fox and a terrible script and direction. I don’t think Kinberg’s direction is the problem. I believe the issue was the choppy editing, which seemed to be too concerned with having a short runtime and just rushed through scene after scene. It doesn’t give you the time to absorb anything. Kinberg might be the root of the problem though. In the article he talks about how he took inspiration from Batman Begins for the Dark Phoenix. He states that the first half of Batman Begins is his favorite part. When Bruce just a guy not a crime fighter. He tries to deconstruct the Phoenix Saga into a character study of Jean. Now can we see how trying to breakdown a story about a cosmic immortal entity possessing a Telekinetic/Telepath that's part of a Superhero Team battling Aliens into a small character study and trying to ground it in reality might not be the best idea? That certainly doesn't translate well into a blockbuster. The fish rots from the head and as Kinberg was the Writer, Director, and Producer he has to take some of the blame. io9.gizmodo.com/dark-phoenixs-simon-kinberg-took-inspiration-from-nolan-1835308312
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 1:35:17 GMT
I don’t think Kinberg’s direction is the problem. I believe the issue was the choppy editing, which seemed to be too concerned with having a short runtime and just rushed through scene after scene. It doesn’t give you the time to absorb anything. Kinberg might be the root of the problem though. In the article he talks about how he took inspiration from Batman Begins for the Dark Phoenix. He states that the first half of Batman Begins is his favorite part. When Bruce just a guy not a crime fighter. He tries to deconstruct the Phoenix Saga into a character study of Jean. Now can we see how trying to breakdown a story about a cosmic immortal entity possessing a Telekinetic/Telepath that's part of a Superhero Team battling Aliens into a small character study and trying to ground it in reality might not be the best idea? That certainly doesn't translate well into a blockbuster. The fish rots from the head and as Kinberg was the Writer, Director, and Producer he has to take some of the blame. io9.gizmodo.com/dark-phoenixs-simon-kinberg-took-inspiration-from-nolan-1835308312 Its been said that this wasn’t made to be a blockbuster and Kinberg was against releasing it during blockbuster season. www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/we-were-wrong-behind-dark-phoenix-foxs-dismal-x-men-franchise-finale-plans-1216859But the final product doesn’t work at all as a character study. The film glosses over characters (especially Jean) that could have been interesting if we were given more time to invest in them but because it’s in such a rush (not helping by having a short runtime), it makes it hard for you to care.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jun 13, 2019 1:55:49 GMT
Kinberg might be the root of the problem though. In the article he talks about how he took inspiration from Batman Begins for the Dark Phoenix. He states that the first half of Batman Begins is his favorite part. When Bruce just a guy not a crime fighter. He tries to deconstruct the Phoenix Saga into a character study of Jean. Now can we see how trying to breakdown a story about a cosmic immortal entity possessing a Telekinetic/Telepath that's part of a Superhero Team battling Aliens into a small character study and trying to ground it in reality might not be the best idea? That certainly doesn't translate well into a blockbuster. The fish rots from the head and as Kinberg was the Writer, Director, and Producer he has to take some of the blame. io9.gizmodo.com/dark-phoenixs-simon-kinberg-took-inspiration-from-nolan-1835308312Its been said that this wasn’t made to be a blockbuster and Kinberg was against releasing it during blockbuster season. www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/we-were-wrong-behind-dark-phoenix-foxs-dismal-x-men-franchise-finale-plans-1216859But the final product doesn’t work at all as a character study. The film glosses over characters (especially Jean) that could have been interesting if we were given more time to invest in them but because it’s in such a rush (not helping by having a short runtime), it makes it hard for you to care. I get that it's not all his fault. That moving it to summer and forcing it in blockbuster time was a wrong move. And editing it to such a brisk run time also hurts. Wasn't there also 2 really bad screenings of his original ending? I'm saying maybe part of the problem is trying to take a story steeped in Aliens, Cosmic Entities, and a Group of Mutant Superheros and trying to ground it more than Fox had already Grounded the X-men by taking inspiration from Nolan and especially Batman Begins was the first domino in a line of dominos that lead to the outcome. When I think of the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga I don't think Grounded Intimate Small Story.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 13, 2019 2:04:01 GMT
Apparently that Aliata film is being blamed for it.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 13, 2019 2:36:08 GMT
Apparently that Aliata film is being blamed for it. Why do MCU fans hate Dark Phoenix? Stan Lee was an executive producer on Dark Phoenix.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 13, 2019 2:58:41 GMT
Apparently that Aliata film is being blamed for it. It seems to be everyone's fault except Simon fucking Kinberg. It's just like Universal letting Alex Kurtzman direct that Mummy reboot with Tom Cruise. They lend the keys to the kingdom to a so-so writer who never directed a $200m blockbuster before. Wtf do studios think is gonna happen? Meanwhile at WB and Disney, love em or hate em, at least Zack Snyder and Ryan Coogler cut their teeth first.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 4:04:41 GMT
Apparently that Aliata film is being blamed for it. It seems to be everyone's fault except Simon fucking Kinberg. It's just like Universal letting Alex Kurtzman direct that Mummy reboot with Tom Cruise. They lend the keys to the kingdom to a so-so writer who never directed a $200m blockbuster before. Wtf do studios think is gonna happen? Meanwhile at WB and Disney, love em or hate em, at least Zack Snyder and Ryan Coogler cut their teeth first. They did not initially give him $200 million dollars. The budget was below Apocalypse before reshoots, nor was it meant to be a blockbuster. So that comparison doesn’t really work.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 13, 2019 4:17:03 GMT
It seems to be everyone's fault except Simon fucking Kinberg. It's just like Universal letting Alex Kurtzman direct that Mummy reboot with Tom Cruise. They lend the keys to the kingdom to a so-so writer who never directed a $200m blockbuster before. Wtf do studios think is gonna happen? Meanwhile at WB and Disney, love em or hate em, at least Zack Snyder and Ryan Coogler cut their teeth first. They did not initially give him $200 million dollars. The budget was below Apocalypse before reshoots, nor was it meant to be a blockbuster. So that comparison doesn’t really work. So the dollar amount negates the fact that he was still a first time director w/o any semblance of experience handling blockbuster fare? (type that highlighted section again w/o guffawing). Between here and movie.chat you're working overtime, I'll give you that mate.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 4:29:28 GMT
They did not initially give him $200 million dollars. The budget was below Apocalypse before reshoots, nor was it meant to be a blockbuster. So that comparison doesn’t really work. So the dollar amount negates the fact that he was still a first time director w/o any semblance of experience handling blockbuster fare? (type that highlighted section again w/o guffawing). Between here and movie.chat you're working overtime, I'll give you that mate. First off, the condescending attitude is unnecessary. Secondly, the filmmakers themselves straight up said it wasn’t designed to be a blockbuster and have been saying so for over a year.
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Post by politicidal on Jun 13, 2019 4:32:47 GMT
So the dollar amount negates the fact that he was still a first time director w/o any semblance of experience handling blockbuster fare? (type that highlighted section again w/o guffawing). Between here and movie.chat you're working overtime, I'll give you that mate. First off, the condescending attitude is unnecessary. Secondly, the filmmakers themselves straight up said it wasn’t designed to be a blockbuster and have been saying so for over a year. +1 for Kinberg. He delivered what he promised.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 4:44:48 GMT
First off, the condescending attitude is unnecessary. Secondly, the filmmakers themselves straight up said it wasn’t designed to be a blockbuster and have been saying so for over a year. +1 for Kinberg. He delivered what he promised. And yes, dollar amount does matter when it comes to the definition of blockbuster. 0:10
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Post by politicidal on Jun 13, 2019 4:46:18 GMT
+1 for Kinberg. He delivered what he promised. And yes, dollar amount does matter when it comes to the definition of blockbuster. 0:10 Pfft. Now who's got the attitude? You're slipping back to your Reversible Rape Face days or whatever that was.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 5:51:19 GMT
I get that it's not all his fault. That moving it to summer and forcing it in blockbuster time was a wrong move. And editing it to such a brisk run time also hurts. Wasn't there also 2 really bad screenings of his original ending? I'm saying maybe part of the problem is trying to take a story steeped in Aliens, Cosmic Entities, and a Group of Mutant Superheros and trying to ground it more than Fox had already Grounded the X-men by taking inspiration from Nolan and especially Batman Begins was the first domino in a line of dominos that lead to the outcome. When I think of the Phoenix and Dark Phoenix Saga I don't think Grounded Intimate Small Story. Perhaps. Though it doesn’t seems like it was initially meant to be a small story with the two parter thing.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Jun 13, 2019 6:50:14 GMT
Apparently that Aliata film is being blamed for it. Why do MCU fans hate Dark Phoenix? Stan Lee was an executive producer on Dark Phoenix. Stan Lee is also the executive producer of Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk 2003, and Fant4stic. Just because Stan Lee's name is on it, doesn't mean it's good. And you can add Dark Phoenix to that list, just terrible. It sucks when Hollywood doesn't get Stan Lee's creations right. We want these movies to be good and like the comics, but sometimes that's not always the case.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Jun 13, 2019 6:59:01 GMT
Why do MCU fans hate Dark Phoenix? Stan Lee was an executive producer on Dark Phoenix. Stan Lee is also the executive producer of Daredevil, Elektra, Hulk 2003, and Fant4stic. Just because Stan Lee's name is on it, doesn't mean it's good. And you can add Dark Phoenix to that list, just terrible. It sucks when Hollywood doesn't get Stan Lee's creations right. We want these movies to be good and like the comics, but sometimes that's not always the case. I don’t see how you can put Dark Phoenix up there with Elektra, Hulk, and Fant4stic.
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